Please stop with "the "God is a liar" statements. You can prove your point in other ways. Trinity teaches Jesus is fully God and fully man - no exceptions.
Question about Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32.
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Welcome, trust God even if do not know yet. And if do, stay humble in that thank you welcome aboard
I see in my walk given me, Jesus, as the Son to reconcile everyone under him through the willing one time physical death on that cross, was to get us reconciled to Father as if no one ever sinned from Father's view now after that done work once for us all, Hebrews 10:10, Col 1:21-22, 2 Cor 5:17-20, John 19:30
Leaving new life to get installed from Father, Daddy, PaPa in the risen Son
I see, He was not here on earth in the flesh to take over. Was here to win our Souls back to God Father through his done perfect work for us all to choose God or self or others over flesh and blood.
Now about. not knowing what time day or year. Was not needed to know. Not at that time. yet now risen and in Heaven he definitely knows.
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Believe, receive and see rest in God for you and all the world
The day will happen, when the day happens, in the meantime stand in Faith given you from God for you and rest as in Hebrews 4 tell me at least thank you
In the incarnation, the Son became flesh and blood and with that all the limitations of being human. He laid aside His omniscience and chose to live as we do, walking step-by-step. He humbled Himself to know only what the Spirit showed Him. Thus when the man touched Him and received healing, He was not pretending when He asked the crowd "Who touched me?" He was being honest. He truly lacked the knowledge of who had touched Him. Lacking knowledge of that event He required the man himself to make known to the crowd who had touched Him.
As a human being He chose only to know what the Spirit showed Him. Since He did not (as a human being) have all knowledge, He had to submit Himself know only what God revealed to Him. As He explained: 19Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does. had 20The Father loves the Son and shows Him all He does. And to your amazement, He will show Him even greater works than these.… (John 5:19-20)
If He had used His own knowledge or power, He could not have been our template.
21For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in His footsteps:
(i Peter 2:21) I do not think it is accurate to say, when He became flesh He "lost His memory" Rather, He voluntarily laid it aside.
Sorry but to say that Jesus 'laid aside His omniscience' simply isn't true. Omniscience is the quality of knowing everything. Jesus never claimed such a thing. Other than his life he laid nothing aside, otherwise his sacrifice would be void and null. He was fully human in every way.
Really, no scripture? Maybe you need to look at the post again.
For the very reasons I explained. During the Incarnation He denied Himself use of His own power and lived as a perfect human being.
How could we mature to the full stature of Christ if He used His own powers of Deity to do the things He did?
Logic tells me that when death is destroyed, reproduction can not continue for eternity.
Reproduction = more and more beings and with no death we will end up with so many living creatures that it would be crazy.
God can make more and more places and space but I don't think God makes mistakes or problems to solve.
The evil Angels will be destroyed and the saved will replace them.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Reproduction = more and more beings and with no death we will end up with so many living creatures that it would be crazy.
God can make more and more places and space but I don't think God makes mistakes or problems to solve.
The evil Angels will be destroyed and the saved will replace them.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
Thank you I appreciate the scripture you shared. Yeah I think right now my understanding is He was more human than I can comprehend. Because in my head I’m thinking How can an unstoppable, infallible, all knowing, all mighty, creator of life limit himself to become a full human with extreme limits for Himself. But with Gods power anything is possible. It just amazes me and hurts my head a little bit lol. Thank you God bless.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea
Jesus states he is the "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending", Just as his Father and he had declared in the OT:
Isa_44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Keep in mind two persons are saying this.
The LORD the King of Israel who we know from the NT is Christ says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God"
and the Lord of Hosts, who is the Father, says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God"
Both Christ and the Father claim divinity as the one true God.
Jesus says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending" "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last"
God says in the OT, "I am the first, and I am the last"
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Who is it that says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end"? Jesus said the exact word for word statement in Rev_1:8 where he also claimed to be the Almighty!
Who is it that also says, "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son"? Yes, Jesus says he will be our God!
He also said, "I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely". Guess who said that before?
Joh 4:5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.
Joh 4:6 Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
Joh 4:7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
Joh 4:8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
Joh 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
"who it is that saith it to thee". Do you know who said it? God the Son, Jesus was saying it to this woman.
Joh 4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
Joh 4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Joh 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Jesus says he gives of this living water! Not his Father but Jesus himself. In verse 4:10 Jesus says the living water is a gift from God, a clear reference that Jesus is referring to himself as God and as the one who gives the living water.
Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the Almighty, the Lord, the one who gives the living water, the one who is God along with his Father.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Here the one who will give the water of life is called God.
Joh_4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
Here Jesus says he will give the water of life.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Jesus says, "I will be his God"
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Here Jesus repeats himself and says he is coming quickly (second coming reference) and will give to every man according to his work just as he said here:
Matt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
The Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I Jesus have sent mine angel. Again, these verses prove that scripture refers to Jesus as God.
Yes it does:
Neh_9:15 And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
2Sa_23:3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.
Psa_18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Psa 18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
Psa_78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.
God is our rock!
1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co_10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
And Christ is God because he was that Rock in OT times.
Do you believe Israel's rock was God? Do you believe 1Co_10:4 when it says that rock/God was Christ? Yes or no? If you believe the bible and Paul's writings then you have to accept that Christ is God or else deny everything Paul ever wrote because he says Christ is God of the Old Testament!
Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
The Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I Jesus have sent mine angel. Again, these verses prove that scripture refers to Jesus as God.
Yes it does:
Neh_9:15 And gavest them bread from heaven for their hunger, and broughtest forth water for them out of the rock for their thirst, and promisedst them that they should go in to possess the land which thou hadst sworn to give them.
2Sa_23:3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.
Psa_18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Psa 18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
Psa_78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.
God is our rock!
1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co_10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
And Christ is God because he was that Rock in OT times.
Do you believe Israel's rock was God? Do you believe 1Co_10:4 when it says that rock/God was Christ? Yes or no? If you believe the bible and Paul's writings then you have to accept that Christ is God or else deny everything Paul ever wrote because he says Christ is God of the Old Testament!
When God decided that He would create the earth and humanity He also decided that He would create humanity that would become a sinful lost state of existence that needed help from God.
Part of that Plan before Creation ever began God planned to come as a human to SAVE His Creation.
But when God came as a human He did not come with the full complete package we think about when we think about a God Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omnipotent. He came less than.
Part of this is for several reasons but one is YOUR QUESTION.
Clearly before becoming Human the WORD Knew the End from the Beginning (Alpha and Omega).
But when He transformed into or manifested in the flesh as John and Paul explain He came with enough knowledge to live out the purpose He was there to do, SAVE His Creation.
The Moment He had ALL Authority and Power (mentioned in Matthew 28) He knew then but the Disciples weren't in the frame of mind to ask Him that same question.
For You and myself, it's a mystery and one we should constantly thinking about to be ready for His Return.
I did not say that Jesus knew absolutely nothing that the Father knew - I said that there are [some specific] things that the Father knew that Jesus did not know at that time. Think of it as being very similar to the idea of 'selective memory'.
You are not properly understanding the "sense" of the meaning of the words 'are one'. It is not saying 'are identically the same'.
Did you read the OP of that thread I posted a link to?
This is not true - scripture tells us otherwise.
He clearly did not - according to scripture.
I think not. Have you misinterpreted some passage of scripture? Where did you get this idea?
Perhaps some insight could be offered in Jesus' retention of an autonomous will, which He ultimately submitted all to the Father in saying, "Not My will, but Thy will be done." Of course, Jesus had every intention of faithfully fulfilling His Father's will, as He came to do. However, inherent with the possession of one's own will, as demonstrated to us in hindsight by Jesus 'giving' His over to His Father, existence in the ever-present would present at least a slight percentage of uncertainty in concern toward the future. Was Jesus always confident that He would fulfill the will of His Father? Well, scripture tells us that He was "tempted in every way just as we are yet was without sin (Heb 4:15)." Therefore, Jesus, being the personification of humility, might not have even known "IF" He would, ultimately, actually return at all.
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Two reasons for why this kind of thing happens:
1) things are designed to assemble-and-sell at minimal cost - not to work on to do repair or modification
2) most engineers do not understand well enough what it is actually like to have to work on something
I'm basing that on the assumption that he sent the holy spirit to be poured out at Pentecost.