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The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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What does that have to do with the Scriptures that plainly says why the Israelites never entered into their land of rest due to rebellion and disobedience that God Himself relates to breaking the Sabbath, something we are told not to follow.
It has to do with a person with that avatar name giving that post a "winner" emoji reaction which demonstrates they agree with the poster - "keep the sabbath day or perish." Are you that person?
Hebrews 4:9 - There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Everyone should take note that the Greek word “sabbatismos” here is used nowhere else in the Bible. I often hear Sabbatarians suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!
W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:
Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.
SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.
Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)
https://www.bibleportal.com/sermon/Greek-Word-Studies/sabbath-rest-4520-sabbatismos
This is not addressing the passage as to why the Israelites never entered into their promise land of rest and how the passage in Hebrews is telling us not to follow in their same path of disobeidence.
Heb4:9 only re-enforces what God's said about His Sabbath and the holy day of the Lord, according to God Isa 58:13
Heb4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
The rest in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath which remains for God's people.
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.
We do not want to end up in the same place as the Israelites following the same example of disobedience. Life is about choices and which voice we are going to listen to.
God said Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, the majority of man teaches to forget. Only one of those voices can sanctify and bless us, and the only God we are called to worship Rev14:7 Exo20:11.
Guess all will get sorted out in God's time.
Thank you!I see that you are a brand new member. Welcome to Christian Chat.
Just one page back you will see that I have been responding to and discussing with others.
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-are-the-covenant-did-you-know.221336/page-49
You still have not answered my question and we are not Israelites under the law of Moses. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13; Colossians 2:16-17) Stop trying to pour new wine into old wineskins. (Matthew 9:17)
I was hoping the Scriptures would be addressed, but I understand wanting to go to the another argument.
This is what both Moses and God said about the law of God. Do we really know better than they?
God’s name (not Moses) is in each one of these commandments and He takes ownership of them not just in the words itself, but He did not leave His holy and eternal Law to be written by man, God divinely wrote them Himself, not just once but twice. He wrote them in stone for its eternal nature and then He writes His laws in our heart 2Cor3:3 Heb 8:10 The first 4 commandments show how to love God and the last 6 how we love our neighbor. They cover so much more than people realize Psa 119:96 just as Jesus taught from this same unit Mat 5:19-30
Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
I personally do not see how Scripture could be clearer about whose Law is the Ten Commandments and Moses the creation and servant of God, is not God the Creator of everything Exo 20:11. Moses own testimony said the Ten Commandments is God’s work not his, so why do so many insist it’s the law of Moses so we no longer need to keep them when there is not one Scripture in context that says this.
Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Deu 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He made with them in Horeb.
The Ten Commandments is what sits under God’s mercy seat Exo 25:21. What He wrote and what He spoke, the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that He promised not to alter Psa 89:34 as it is revealed in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:18-19. This is God’s authority that no one can change a jot or tittle, as it is what all man will be Judged by James 2:11 Rev 22:15. We have a righteous and loving God, He would not judge us without telling us how He will judge us and He did so in the most awesome way.
Regarding Col2:16-17 I will reply to this when I get back from church. I will also show more context and how Paul is not countermanding God's authority changing God's times and laws that we were warned about, that was not Paul.
God bless!
I have already previously addressed many scriptures that you have cited under the old covenant of law for Israel that you try to mix together with the new covenant.
(1) The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums https://share.google/51r5MlSEzVWsKW3O0
You still have answered my question. Are you SabbathBlessings from Christian Forums?
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I have studied the term “ born of God”, I am aware of those saying they are “born again”.
If a person bleeds when they are cut, they are human, physical flesh and blood.
When, at the First Resurrection, we are “born from above” we will be Spirit with the same spirit body as Jesus Christ. Until then we are flesh and blood and can die.
Philippians 3
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
NASB Translation
bear (1), bearing children (1), became the father of (4), became...father (1), begotten (4), bore (1), born (41), Child (1), conceived (1), father (37), Father (1), gave (1), gives birth (1), produce (1).
What I have come to understand when a person receives the Holy Spirit INTO them,
At that moment they become a “spiritual fetus” waiting to be born from above into the same Spirit body as Christ has now.
The Holy Spirit was impregnated into Mary and Christ was born. The Spirit of the Father can be understood as human sperm.
We are not “born” until the First Resurrection.
You are disconnected from reality. Quote those scriptures you speak of cause I can't find them.
The actual reason that the Israelites wandered for 40 years:
Upon their arrival at Kadesh Barnea, which bordered the Promised Land of Canaan, they sent out twelve spies to survey the land and its people (Numbers 13:18-25). They returned after forty days of exploration. Ten of the spies had a bad report: “We can’t attack those people; they are stronger than we are…All the people we saw were of great size…We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes” (Numbers 13:31-33). Only Joshua and Caleb dissented (Numbers 14:6-7). Believing the report of the ten doubters, the people lost heart and rebelled. They “raised their voices and wept aloud,” grumbling against Moses and Aaron, saying, “If only we had died in Egypt! Or in this desert! Why is the LORD bringing us to this land only to let us fall by the sword?” (Numbers 14:1-2, emphasis added).
Then the Lord said to Moses, “How long will they refuse to believe in me, in spite of all the miraculous signs I have performed among them? I will strike them down with a plague and destroy them” (Numbers 14:11). However, Moses once again interceded for his people and turned away the wrath of God (Numbers 14:13-20). Although God did forgive them, He decided that “not one of them will ever see the land I promised on oath to their forefathers. No one who has treated me with contempt will ever see it” (Numbers 14:23). Rather, they would suffer by wandering in the wilderness for forty years, one year for each of the forty days they explored the land (Numbers 14:34). Furthermore, God would give them what they asked for: “I will do the very things I heard you say: In this desert your bodies will fall, every one of you twenty years old or more” (Numbers 14:28-29). Additionally, the ten men who had given the bad report were struck down and died of a plague before the Lord (Numbers 14:37). Only Joshua and Caleb survived, the two faithful spies who believed God’s promise to give the land over to them.
Yeah, that's the reason. Do you see Sabbath mentionned? cause I don't see Sabbath mentionned.
Plus we also have the following with regards to believers who were not a part of the slaves exiting from Egypt:
2 For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments. 5 For though I am absent in body, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ.
Alive in Christ
6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
2 For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. 4 I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments. 5 For though I am absent in body, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the firmness of your faith in Christ.
Alive in Christ
6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits[a] of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
Let No One Disqualify You
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,[d] puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
Colossians 2
When you see a THEREFORE as above v.16, it means it is the CONCLUSION to what went before.
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,[d] puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
Colossians 2
When you see a THEREFORE as above v.16, it means it is the CONCLUSION to what went before.
Well no. He has already decided. Check out the scriptures, Colossians 2 above plus those from Numbers. Both refute what you state. It does not matter what you believe personally; what actually does matter, is what is plainly written in scripture by those who had the authority to write it. YOU, on the other hand, have absolutely no authority whatsoever. Not over any person, certainly no in this forum and none as pertains to what is written which, apparently, you refuse to acknowledge. THAT, is YOUR problem. It is not the problem of any person living or dead.
ISRAELITES. Are you an Israelite or a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ?
No, that is absolutely NOT the gospel of Christ. First off, the word 'gosel' means good news and we find it 93 times in the Bible and ALL of it in the New Testament. You could say the gospel is all of scripture, since we find Jesus throughout, in prophecy for instance, but the specific reference to 'good news' is the good news about Jesus and the way of SALVATION.
We are not Israelites; we are not under the law and specifically not the 10 commandments. The law is BAD NEWS...not GOOD NEWS.
For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 1:17
Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of sin. Romans 3:20
The op is not biblical.
On a different Christian forum, someone posted this - "The whole argument of Hebrews 4 is STILL keeping the sabbath and not doing it is linked to disobedience where you will "perish".
So, "keep the sabbath or perish." I wish more of these sabbath day obsessed Sabbatarians would just admit that's what they teach.
The scripture is not so much about Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The real subject of the
scripture is that sabbath day. Why are you so blind?
I am assuming you only read what you quoted, had you read all of the Scriptures you would have seen the writer of Hebrews telling us not to follow in the same path of disobedience as the Israelites .
@mailmandan
Lets look at Colossians 2 a little closer.
The context starts in verse 14, which is never quoted for some reason.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it
This is speaking of something that was handwritten, that was contrary and against man and was nailed to the Cross.
First, I am going to quote to the words of Jesus Christ, the one whose blood died for us and what did He say about His Sabbath, did He say it was going to end at the Cross.
Jesus speaking here...He connects in His own words that Sabbath would be kept decades after the Cross and connects it to His Second Coming
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be
Jesus said the Sabbath continues in the New Heaven and New Earth
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.
So the Sabbath ending at the Cross is not something Jesus taught. Is Paul really countermanding Jesus Christ? Of course not, but we are told this about Paul's writings
2 Peter 3: 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
So lets be careful that we are not making Paul say something against what Christ taught. Jesus never once said the Sabbath commandment ended, not in teaching, not in actions. He kept the Sabbath Luke4:16 and said He is Lord of the Sabbath Mark2:28 what is the point of being Lord of something that no longer exist-the Sabbath ties to His creative power as the God who made heaven and earth Exo20:11 John1:1-3, the only God who has the power to sanctify a day Gen 2:3 the only God who has the power to sanctify us Eze20:12 the only God who has the power to bless a day Exo20:11 and bless us Isa56:2 and what God blesses, man cannot take away Num 23:20 what He does is forever and no one can add or take from it. Ecc 3:14 because man is not God.
So lets look at the context more carefully of Col2:14-17
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
This verse sets up the following verses and gives us a lot more context.
Paul is giving us the context as to what he is speaking about something that is
- handwritten
- ordinances
- against and contrary to us
Paul is clearly speaking of something handwritten, ordinances that was contrary and against.
2 Chr 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”
This is something that is handwritten by Moses, not what God wrote that what He does is forever Ecc3:13
Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;
It what Paul is quoting
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
There is more than one Sabbath in the Scriptures. The weekly Sabbath that started at Creation according to the Testimony of God Exo20:11 this was before sin and points to our Creator so can't be a shadow of anything. There are also the annual sabbath(s) feasts days that have to do with food and drink offering that was handwritten by Moses, that was placed besides the ark, not what was inside the ark, God's Ten Commandments engraved by God Himself.
Jesus came to put an end to animal sacrifices and offerings Dan9:27 which is what the annual sabbaths were about. According to the Testimony of Jesus Christ, the weekly Sabbath continues for eternity. We were told there is a government that changed God's times and laws Dan7:25 that was not Paul, that was what we were warned about that sadly most follow many without even realizing.
Or that they feel it is disregarded and that they need to share that it still needs to be kept because it is a sin not to.
Another issue in the church is fornication. The difference, there is not many would argue that we are not supposed to do that.
However the Sabbath is a debated topic. Maybe more so with the new release of Charlie Kirks book.
Not sure why one would make sport of someone they think is confused spiritually. Do you know why someone would do that?