The misleading use of 'Gentile'. All nations on earth are Goyim.

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ATG said:
True. There is only one covenant between God and man on earth, by the blood of Jesus Christ through faith.

The NT body of Christ on earth, is the only holy nation and Israel of God, in which all natural nations may be grafted into, including natural Israeli Jews, Hellene Greeks, barbarian Scythians, Ethiopians, British, Madagascardians...

Jhn 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Anti-Goyim natural Jews reject Jesus' gospel of repentance preached to all nations:

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And Christian Gentiles appeal to anti-goyim Jews, by separating themselves from natural Jews in the body of Christ. They both reject being gathered together in one nation of God, by segregating themselves from one another after the flesh.

Anti-goyim natural Jews, I understand. Prejudiced natural pride is among all nations on earth.

But, anti-Jewish Christian Gentiles is a greater sin, since the days of the apostles. Romans 11 is all about Christians not being high-minded in their holy olive tree grafting by Jesus Christ, as though the natural Jews have no part in the holy nation of Israel, because they had Jesus Christ crucified on a cross...

Rom 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

There are no Christian Gentiles. There are no Christian Jews. There are only Christians born into the one holy body and nation of the risen God of Israel, Jesus Christ.

1Co 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Hellenes, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

There are only Christians that are natural Jews, Hellenes, Scythians, Russians... And there are no Gentiles at all in the Scriptures of God.

The 'Gentile' ideology only exists in two false religions on earth: The anti-Goyim Jews' religion, and the anti-Jews Christian religion, neither of which are the pure religion of Jesus Christ.
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No
The Jews of today await the/ their Messiah.
Ahem...the old covenant jews.
Paul neutered your argument in romans 9-11.

We witness to them in that arena.
We tell them their Messiah already came, and his name is Jesus, not that they are nothing and garbage , some half bred lost in ethnicity freaks.
 
Psalm1 said:
No
The Jews of today await the/ their Messiah.
Ahem...the old covenant jews.
Paul neutered your argument in romans 9-11.

We witness to them in that arena.
We tell them their Messiah already came, and his name is Jesus, not that they are nothing and garbage , some half bred lost in ethnicity freaks.
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Two covenant heresy
 
If you want to nit pick words, start with a campaign against tge word "Jesus"
That word is more misused that your rabbit trail over "Gentile".

You need to always say " Yeshua"


So tedious.
One all the new definitions and bible get rewritten and purified by these doctrine enhancers, not a single believer will know what you are talking about.

Jews...does not mean "Jews"
Gentiles does not mean "Gentiles"
Israelites means what we say it does.

Add "Jesus", and "Abba" to the list.

Oh ...and the 144,000 does not mean 144,000.
And WINK WINK...THEY NEVER CAME FROM ANY TRIBES....AND THEY ARE NOT JEWS, AND PAUL WAS WRONG ABOUT THE ENTIRE THING.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
It's over, done, obsolete, fulfilled in the new covenant.
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You really think I am not aware of the sweeping power and emphasis of the new covenant???
The fact that the NEW HAS REPLACED THE OLD?? ?
THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO JEWS SAVED OUTSIDE OF JESUS AND THE CROSS????.

Your error is in dumping the word of God.
So you have no depth.

Teachers have duped you and others into a false interpretation of romans 9-11.
 
Psalm1 said:
You really think I am not aware of the sweeping power and emphasis of the new covenant???
The fact that the NEW HAS REPLACED THE OLD?? ?
THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO JEWS SAVED OUTSIDE OF JESUS AND THE CROSS????.

Your error is in dumping the word of God.
So you have no depth.

Teachers have duped you and others into a false interpretation of romans 9-11.
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blah blah blah romans 9-11 blah blah blah. You don"t even know what those chapters are referring to.

Would you like to take the Romans 9-11 Challenge?
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
OK

Romans 9-11 Challenge
Show one verse in Romans 9-11, excluding Romans 11:26, that says something other than a remnant of natural Israel will be saved.
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No your challenge was to educate me according to your doctrine.
Now you want me to take on the responsibility of educating you.

I already know your doctrine and what you and others do to those chapters.

Everywhere it talks of the Jewish covenant people coming into the kingdom, in those chapters ,you say the Jews, a few of them, are able to get saved like the rest if us.

That is WHY you guys attempt to erase the 144,000, and the fact they are firstfruits.

That is why , in your doctrine, there is no "times of the Gentiles completed" or "Jacob's trouble".

That is why you guys steer completely away from the 2 wives of the OT.

I know all about the "kingdom now" doctrine, and replacement theology.
 
Psalm1 said:
Everywhere it talks of the Jewish covenant people coming into the kingdom, in those chapters ,you say the Jews, a few of them, are able to get saved like the rest if us.
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That's what you don't get: they have no covenant. All covenants have been abrogated and fulfilled in the new covenant. They either join the new covenant or they are as gentiles, without God, covenant and hope in the world.
 
Paul said the believing remnant, ie., the election, of natural Israel is beloved for the fathers' sake, not because of any covenant.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:28-29​
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Paul said the believing remnant, ie., the election, of natural Israel is beloved for the fathers' sake, not because of any covenant.

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Romans 11:28-29​

Right in front of you and you still miss it.
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You are desperately trying to get rid of the truth that God did choose a particular man, and His descendants IN THE FLESH to be His chosen people. Yes the others could convert, but they were born outside of Israel, with no God and no hope in the world as Ephesians 2 says, but now in Christ we are brought near.
ATG said:
Which does not refer to national birth, but to evil customs against God.

Which is what the Jews after Malachi followed, when redefining Goyim as being non-Jew, as though the Jews were not a goy on earth.

The goyim and The goy became a cursed name for non-God heathen by birth, of which the Jews born of the tribes were not.

During the years of silence before Messiah comes, they perverted the covenant of God by circumcision and law, with a false tradition being separated from all nations, The Goyim, by natural birth. They began to teach a natural theology of their own, where they were covenanted with God from birth, whereas all other nations were goyim to God by birth alone.


False. No prophet nor apostle of Christ ever calls anyone on earth, Gentile. There is no word for it in Scripture, unless perhaps for uncircumcised Philistine and ungodly heathen...But for natural goyim and ethnos, it is a false grammatical and especially ideological translation..

It's only latter Christians during our own long silence after Revelation, that comply with the false Jewish theology of The Goyim, by calling them Gentiles.

Christians can call themselves Gentiles, and agree with the anti-Goyim Jews, that they were naturally born against God as non-Jews, but they only speak for themselves only.

And when they do so, they blind themselves not only to the fact that Gentile is nowhere in the Scripture (except perhaps for philistine heathen), But especially that 'Christian Gentiles' is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ, where there are no Christian Jews, Greeks, Scythians, Parthians, etc...But only Christians born of God among all nations on the earth, Jews, Greeks, Scythians, Parthians...

The body of Christ is God's holy Christian nation on earth, not natural Christian Gentiles nor Jews.
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Everything stated in the OT is restated in the NT? I didn't know that? Several books must be missing in our Bibles then.
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I have no idea what this means, but if you are referring to the gifts and calling of God then that is referring to the caliing of the elect in Israel to believe in Christ and receive the gifts of forgivenes of sins and the holy spirit.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:38-39​
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I have no idea what this means, but if you are referring to the gifts and calling of God then that is referring to the caliing of the elect in Israel to believe in Christ and receive the gifts of forgivenes of sins and the holy spirit.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:38-39​
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Both doctrines, replacement theology, and those understanding God and covenant, believe exactly that.
 
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