I just can't imagine we are his only human creation. I bet there are trillions of planets inhabited by homo sapiens.
Question about Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32.
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Because ‘how’ is not necessary to trust. We trust and use many things which we know very little about, every day. The food we eat, the water we drink, appliances. I don’t need to know how a heater works, I only need to know how to turn it on. Sure someone may fully understand that. Even mechanics fail to understand why engineers put bolts in hard to get places.
Maybe the Trinity can be understood fully. I think there are many mysteries which will never be understood. The simple cell has been 99% discovered for decades. But each discovery reveals infinitely more complexity. Likewise the known universe grows exponentially with each new telescope. I think the mysteries of God are as infinite as He is.
Jesus is God because he, himself, says he is God: "I will be his God"- Rev 21:7
Jesus is God because the OT says Israel's Rock was God and Christ was that same Rock
Ps 78:35, 1 Cor 10:4
Not gna lie man that is like heresy to the Christian faith. There can’t be another sacrifice
God has revealed Both in the OT and NT that He can decide to forget things.. Now some might think that God being God cannot forget anything.. But the scriptures reveal otherwise..
(Jeremiah 31:34) "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
(Hebrews 8:12) "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more."
So if God can chose to forget our sins and remember them no more then he can surely decide to forget the actual day of His return for a time..
Now why did Jesus decide not to remember the day of His return? I have No idea.
Also i would like to share another thought with you..
In the process of entering into this world in the form of a lowly servent.. Jesus would have given up certain things, Maybe knowledge of certain things like the day of His second coming was one of them.. I am sure He would have again picked up this knowledge upon the day of His transition back into His heavenly form. Which was revealed in the first chapter of the book of Revelation..
In the process of entering into this world in the form of a lowly servent.. Jesus would have given up certain things, Maybe knowledge of certain things like the day of His second coming was one of them.. I am sure He would have again picked up this knowledge upon the day of His transition back into His heavenly form. Which was revealed in the first chapter of the book of Revelation..
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I would look in Old Testament when they only knew God as the Father.
Isaiah 63:16
For thou art our Father, though Abraham does not know us and Israel does not acknowledge us; thou, O Lord, art our Father, our Redeemer from of old is thy name.
Isaiah 64:8
Yet, O Lord, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou art our potter; we are all the work of thy hand.
The Father was not alone:
Isaiah 48:16-17 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit have sent Me. Thus says the Lord, your redeemer”
Here is a person speaking who was there from the beginning, and says he is "the Lord, your redeemer", and He mentions "the Lord God and His Spirit" that is the Trinity!
Isaiah 42:1 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.”
Here God (the Father) speaks of his elect servant (Jesus) and His Spirit which is the Holy Spirit, and that is the Trinity!
I like that point of view. yeah in the scheme of things I know I’m not going to understand all of it. I appreciate the comment. Where I’m at right now it seems because Jesus was fully man and fully God, that the Father limited His future vision for a time. It seems to me that God made Himself more “human” than I thought possibly.
Everything Jesus did, spoke and knew was because He saw the Father doing and saying it. He had denied Himself the powers of His own Deity during the Incarnation so He could live the type of life that we would have to live as His followers, solely reliant on the grace of God and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. In this way He could present as the perfect example to us, a life not beyond our capacity to live.
The knowledge of the precise time of His return was not given to Him during His time on Earth. It was most likely a mercy, for had Jesus known and was asked, He couldn't lie and say he didn't know. It also revealed we are not meant to know the precise timing only the "season".
John 5:19
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
Phil.2:6-8
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus is God and man and could speak from either position.
Either it means the man Christ Jesus does not know or it initiates from the Father.
But since in includes the angels do not know along with the Son then it probably means the man Christ Jesus, the flesh does not know.
Jesus is God in every way....
But when He became a human, He left His powers in heaven.. He walked like we do and had no advantage over us. He trusted in the power of the Father to do all things. By faith and trust in God the Father Jesus did all the miracles. He was never less of a divine God but did not use His divine power so He could be an example for us.
We can trust in God and do what Jesus did by faith.
My comment:
After the Great White Throne Judgement is complete, when God the Father comes down to the cleansed and remade earth and also heaven,
the Father and His Son, now with His Wife, The Church, at His side will began to develop the trillions of planets for the purpose of bringing more Sons of God into the GOD FAMILY.
The purpose of a family is to reproduce their own KIND.
Revelation 21:7 is obviously the father speaking because nowhere does scripture call us the son's son. We are Christ's brethren, not his sons
1 Corinthians 10:4 does not call Christ God. We can infer that he is one with God, but like I said, scripture makes a distinction between the son and the father, and specifically calls the latter God.
It is amazing and mind boggling. He had to become fully human so that we could become fully Godlike; not in nature, ie, uncreated, but in marriage., which is what Paul said was becoming sharers in his Godlike nature.
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers (κοινωνός) of the divine (θεῖος) nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2 Peter 1:4
G2304 θεῖος theios (thei'-os) adj.godlike (neuter as noun, divinity).
G2844 κοινωνός koinonos (koi-nō-nos') n.
a sharer, i.e. associate.
omagatime,
So I understand from your down "arrow" you want to remain in this "body of sin" for ever. I pass!
Even the big time Trinitarians will tell you Trinity cannot be fully understood or explained. The things you mention are things we commonly do every day.
There's a contradictory side of Trinity many of us have difficulty overcoming. The passages in question...
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
Since Jesus' own statements are that his Father is greater and that he doesn't know the day or hour of his return, that means the Father knows things about His sons return that the son doesn't know. This speaks to those who want to hear.
By the way, I'm a retired all-around mechanic who retired from an engineering company.
I don't see that as being true and no scripture to prove the point. If that were so, then explain why if Jesus is God, why is it that Jesus often needed the empowerment of angels?
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Angels protected Jesus as a Child...
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."
When Jesus said that, was he in the form of God or fully a human? He said no man knows, at that moment in time Jesus was a man. It is not for mankind to know so it will never be revealed to an any human that is alive. This is the point being made.
Throughout all the gospels Jesus blatantly proclaims to be God. It all has to be true. If any part is a lie, then God is a liar and evil.