The Holy Spirit/God's Word

[Blue155]

Matthew ch12 verse 18 .

Matthew 12:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.19 He shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.


Isaiah 42:1-4

 

[Suze]

“Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations"

“Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations"

Matthew ch10 verse 20 : For it is not ye that speak , but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Yes , I'm reading Matthew at the moment and I always use the KJV .

 

[GWH]

Matthew ch10 verse 20 : For it is not ye that speak , but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Yes , I'm reading Matthew at the moment and I always use the KJV .

I began with the KJV until 1967, but then switched to the NEB when it was published, tried to memorize GW using the Good News Bible (TEV), then read the NIV Bible I was given when ordained, and most recently read The Apologetics Study Bible my daughter gave me.
As someone has said, "put 'em in the tank and they all burn!"

 

[Suze]

I began with the KJV until 1967, but then switched to the NEB when it was published, tried to memorize GW using the Good News Bible (TEV), then read the NIV Bible I was given when ordained, and most recently read The Apologetics Study Bible my daughter gave me.
As someone has said, "put 'em in the tank and they all burn!"

I had a KJV from being a child , didn't read it much but it just seems the natural choice for me now , been reading every day for almost 30 years and still finding new treasure , have u read the dedication to king James in the front of it ? God uses all kinds of people at all different times to bring His good Works to pass .

 

[GWH]

I had a KJV from being a child , didn't read it much but it just seems the natural choice for me now , been reading every day for almost 30 years and still finding new treasure , have u read the dedication to king James in the front of it ? God uses all kinds of people at all different times to bring His good Works to pass .

Yes, even paraphrases have some value, such as the Cotton Patch Version of the Gospels by Clarence Jordan.

 

[GWH]

In Rom. 8:9-11 Paul said that anyone who does not have the HS does not belong to Christ, which agrees with 1Cor. 12:13 saying that the HS baptizes believers into the body of Christ. Because believers have the HS, they have been freed to live a godly instead of a worldly life, and so saints have no excuse for continuing to be sinful (1Cor. 6:13&20). Although Jesus once described the invitation to salvation as “bringing… compelling”, the fact that many who were invited refused to come indicates that God’s calling is not irresistible (Luke 14:21-24).

Much of GW teaches that God is omniloving (1Tim. 2:3-4, John 3:16, etc.), and Jesus, Paul and John define divine righteousness most succinctly as love for all (Matt. 5:44&48, 22:37-40, 1Tim. 2:3-4, 1John 4:8), but souls may be hateful and reject rather than reflect God’s Spirit of love/grace. However, those who have received the HS (Rom. 5:5) desire oneness and strive for spiritual unity, thereby granting the prayer request of Jesus in John 17:20-23.

Jesus said that all sin is forgivable except blasphemy against the HS (Matt. 12:31), which in context seems to mean attributing evil to God (Matt. 12:24-32). Such blasphemy is akin to calling good evil and evil good (Isa. 5:20, cf. Heb. 5:14).

Paul indicated (in Heb. 6:4-6) that apostasy is also unforgiveable, because the person who commits that sin will never repent (cf. Heb. 12:17). Such a person is completely corrupt, totally depraved, demonized and self-condemned (Tit. 3:11, John 3:19-20, 8:42-44, cf. Rom. 14:22).

The crucial choice is between belief in Jesus as Messiah and blasphemy (attributing unrighteous hatred to God's loving HS)
or apostasy (reverting to idolizing the evil spirit of Satan, cf. John 8:42-44).

 

[studier]

Jesus said that all sin is forgivable except blasphemy against the HS (Matt. 12:31), which in context seems to mean attributing evil to God (Matt. 12:24-32). Such blasphemy is akin to calling good evil and evil good (Isa. 5:20, cf. Heb. 5:14).

Paul indicated (in Heb. 6:4-6) that apostasy is also unforgiveable, because the person who commits that sin will never repent (cf. Heb. 12:17). Such a person is completely corrupt, totally depraved, demonized and self-condemned (Tit. 3:11, John 3:19-20, 8:42-44, cf. Rom. 14:22).

The crucial choice is between belief in Jesus as Messiah and blasphemy (attributing unrighteous hatred to God's loving HS)
or apostasy (reverting to idolizing the evil spirit of Satan, cf. John 8:42-44).

I recall teaching that said the blasphemy of the HS was specific to the time the Spirit was providing proof for what Jesus was doing and in that context when Jesus taught it.

 

[GWH]

I recall teaching that said the blasphemy of the HS was specific to the time the Spirit was providing proof for what Jesus was doing and in that context when Jesus taught it.

Well, in the context of John 8:42-44 I believe it (calling good evil and evil good) is more relevant than ever today!

 

[studier]

Well, in the context of John 8:42-44 I believe it (calling good evil and evil good) is more relevant than ever today!

 

[GWH]

Believe in Jesus as Messiah or blaspheme God's loving HS
(aka TULIP).

 

[studier]

Believe in Jesus as Messiah or blaspheme God's loving HS
(aka TULIP).

Setting aside tulip for the moment, rejecting the Spirit is a bit different than saying His evidentiary works testifying of Jesus as Messiah when He was on earth are satanic, aren't they?

 

[GWH]

Setting aside tulip for the moment, rejecting the Spirit is a bit different than saying His evidentiary works testifying of Jesus as Messiah when He was on earth are satanic, aren't they?

Not per Jesus in John 8:42-44.
Remember that Paul was a Pharisee, but when he received evidence that Jesus was Messiah,
he amended his beliefs and accept Jesus as Lord.
Presumably the Pharisees addressed by Jesus also had seen such evidence,
but they refused to cooperate with God's will/HS.
Tulipists are similar to the Pharisees, who thought they were God's chosen people
and who say God does not love the unelect.

 

[studier]

Not per Jesus in John 8:42-44.
Remember that Paul was a Pharisee, but when he received evidence that Jesus was Messiah,
he amended his beliefs and accept Jesus as Lord.
Presumably the Pharisees addressed by Jesus also had seen such evidence,
but they refused to cooperate with God's will/HS.
Tulipists are similar to the Pharisees, who thought they were God's chosen people
and who say God does not love the unelect.

Addressing only the blasphemy of the Spirit statement by Jesus (Matt12; Mark3; Luke12) looks to be during an event in Galilee and John is earlier in Jerusalem (https://www.blueletterbible.org/study/harmony/index.cfm). There is some similarity in John8:48; John8:52.

 

[GWH]

Addressing only the blasphemy of the Spirit statement by Jesus (Matt12; Mark3; Luke12) looks to be during an event in Galilee and John is earlier in Jerusalem (https://www.blueletterbible.org/study/harmony/index.cfm). There is some similarity in John8:48; John8:52.

Yes, and just as the Pharisees were hardened in their tradition, so the tulipists seem brainwashed by their dogma. (Matt. 13:14-15)

 

[GWH]

The reason the accusation of brain-washing is an accurate reproof/rebuke (2Tim. 2:25 & 4:2) rather than a pejorative slander
is because it is so obvious that Scripture teaches God does not show favoritism (Rom. 2:9-16, cf. Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17),
which TULIP obviously contradicts, thereby perverting the true Gospel (Rom. 2:9-16, cf. Gal. 1:6-9).

 

[studier]

Yes, and just as the Pharisees were hardened in their tradition, so the tulipists seem brainwashed by their dogma. (Matt. 13:14-15)

There is more than one systematic dogma I suppose we could call brainwashing.

 

[GWH]

There is more than one systematic dogma I suppose we could call brainwashing.

Pharisaic and TULIP dogmas were/are based on proof-texting, not on systematic harmonization of GW/Scripture.

 

[studier]

Pharisaic and TULIP dogmas were/are based on proof-texting, not on systematic harmonization of GW/Scripture.

They are systems based in error. Most everyone harmonizes within some system. What about the Faith-Alone system - are you leaving it out for some reason?

I've been listening to a couple men discuss Preterism and how the Creeds erred in some crucial ways that have kept that system of eschatological interpretation in some specific error.

 

[Jordon]

Pharisaic and TULIP dogmas were/are based on proof-texting, not on systematic harmonization of GW/Scripture.

Total depravity true

Unconditional ejection true

Limited atonement true

Irresistible grace true

Preservation of the saints true.

Have A Great day

 

[Jordon]

Not per Jesus in John 8:42-44.
Remember that Paul was a Pharisee, but when he received evidence that Jesus was Messiah,
he amended his beliefs and accept Jesus as Lord.
Presumably the Pharisees addressed by Jesus also had seen such evidence,
but they refused to cooperate with God's will/HS.
Tulipists are similar to the Pharisees, who thought they were God's chosen people
and who say God does not love the unelect.

don't stay angry all day, but God made Paul believe