The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, although I can sympathize, because it was only after participating in CC that I clarified my understanding that sanctification as well as conversion is through no meritorious faith. I guess my Baptist upbringing had not taught me that because they believed that once I was saved by faith working was fine.

Hey brother haven’t spoken in a while , always good to speak with you.

yeah theres nuaince to everything when you learn more and more your then accountable for all the more you’ve learned ….. like in life . A baby doesn’t know much but after some time they start to learn basics of life later the kids learn more stuff chores responsability morality ect whatever the parents teach the child priority wise but still the 8 year olds life and responsability accountability ect is very different

at he 27 year old drives and goes out of the house into the world the selves at times but the child is always watched over by the capable adults in tbier snakl protected world ….. in and on until the old man knows a lot and is accountabke for a lot but all the while it’s been just following after Jesus because we believe in him and believe his message that he is the son of God who came into the world to save all who will believe in him and give to them everlasting life , the messiah who was to be crucified for sin and be raised up again for lasting life and victory over death ect

We don’t get credit for having faith even it comes because he preached and sent the gospel to mankind for salvation of believers. But notice how the word calls us into obedience through a process

and we grow up and mature in faith we begin to hear and understand more

“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬


it took me a long time having read it many times for this to ever sink into my hard head

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭

But as I matured I heard what he was saying so then it began to shape and move me “ why would I call Jesus lord and then reject what he said and not do those things he taught ?”

the term Lord has implications to the person using it for another. So what n time I went from one lesson to another through a few decades . Still I’m not perfect but I’m alot better than I was and I sure do have hope for the future even as an old man

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i think we’re all at a little different place in how much we grasp or even what we’re really looking at lately . Each decade has ne can see back and our beliefs grow from foundational truths because we hear more details and nuisances.

The arguing here just really ruins the possible benefits it’s a hard place to come consistently

 

[Inquisitor]

“What is even more odd is trying to fathom why people


Someone not reading and understanding the text.”

yes like you’ve shown so clearly let’s show an example

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Which part of that is “ secondary “ and not “ essential “ doctrine ?

We are not discussing essential doctrine but the primary doctrine.

I have enlisted a powerful friend of mine to drive the point home.

I asked AI about the primary doctrine of Christianity and using scripture only, no theology.

Here is what AI had to say.

Scripture only.

1 Corinthians 15:1–5 — the gospel defined

“Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.”
(1 Cor 15:1–5)​

This passage explicitly identifies the content of the gospel:

• Christ died for our sins
• He was buried
• He was raised on the third day
• He appeared
  All “according to the Scriptures.”

The gospel as the primary doctrine

The New Testament consistently treats this gospel as foundational and primary:

“For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.”
(1 Cor 2:2)​

“I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes.”
(Rom 1:16)​

“There is one gospel… even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we preached to you, he is accursed.”
(Gal 1:6–9)​

“For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”
(1 Cor 3:11)​

All instruction flows from the gospel

All ethical, spiritual, and ecclesial instruction in the New Testament is presented as derivative, not constitutive:

“As you therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him.”
(Col 2:6)​

“If you have been raised with Christ, seek the things above…”
(Col 3:1)​

“I urge you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice…”
(Rom 12:1)​

“We love, because He first loved us.”
(1 John 4:19)​

Conclusion (from Scripture)

Yes. According to the New Testament, the gospel is the primary doctrine of Christianity.
Everything else—life in the Spirit, love, holiness, church order, endurance—rests entirely on the gospel already received.

“By which also you are saved.”
(1 Cor 15:2)​

The gospel is not one doctrine among many; it is the foundation upon which all Christian instruction stands.

 

[Inquisitor]

I’ll stay right where I’m at. I have no desire to go more than about 36,000 feet away from earth and don’t care much for that.

We make our own coffee. It’s fairly easy especially with the ol Keureg. I try to avoid paying $4+ for a black coffee.

If you feed your caffeine addiction with a home brew then fair enough.

I prefer a young female barista whom is polite to make my flat white.

Then I can sip and watch the endless stream of cars heading to work every morning.

 

[GWH]

Hey brother haven’t spoken in a while , always good to speak with you.

yeah theres nuaince to everything when you learn more and more your then accountable for all the more you’ve learned ….. like in life . A baby doesn’t know much but after some time they start to learn basics of life later the kids learn more stuff chores responsability morality ect whatever the parents teach the child priority wise but still the 8 year olds life and responsability accountability ect is very different

at he 27 year old drives and goes out of the house into the world the selves at times but the child is always watched over by the capable adults in tbier snakl protected world ….. in and on until the old man knows a lot and is accountabke for a lot but all the while it’s been just following after Jesus because we believe in him and believe his message that he is the son of God who came into the world to save all who will believe in him and give to them everlasting life , the messiah who was to be crucified for sin and be raised up again for lasting life and victory over death ect

We don’t get credit for having faith even it comes because he preached and sent the gospel to mankind for salvation of believers. But notice how the word calls us into obedience through a process
and we grow up and mature in faith we begin to hear and understand more

“And that servant, which knew his Lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it took me a long time having read it many times for this to ever sink into my hard head

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: he is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭

But as I matured I heard what he was saying so then it began to shape and move me “ why would I call Jesus lord and then reject what he said and not do those things he taught ?”

the term Lord has implications to the person using it for another. So what n time I went from one lesson to another through a few decades . Still I’m not perfect but I’m alot better than I was and I sure do have hope for the future even as an old man

“Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i think we’re all at a little different place in how much we grasp or even what we’re really looking at lately . Each decade has ne can see back and our beliefs grow from foundational truths because we hear more details and nuisances.

The arguing here just really ruins the possible benefits it’s a hard place to come consistently

Howdy pilgrim. Yes, at this point in my lifetime of learning GW I should hope new knowledge is nuance!
I agree the key is accepting Jesus as Lord as well as Savior/Messiah.
Yes, we all begin at different places and are now at different understandings with different testimonies/bios in between.

A little animosity goes a long way, but I try to view it as opportunity to learn humility or forgiveness --
and every now and then someone makes a good point that helps to fine tune my beliefs.
Fortunately, by placing a bet rather than getting sucked in by a tar-baby to play verbal ping pong ,
much argumentation is avoided/prevented on the threads I sponsor. Yay!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Howdy pilgrim. Yes, at this point in my lifetime of learning GW I should hope new knowledge is nuance!
I agree the key is accepting Jesus as Lord as well as Savior/Messiah.
Yes, we all begin at different places and are now at different understandings with different testimonies/bios in between.

A little animosity goes a long way, but I try to view it as opportunity to learn humility or forgiveness --
and every now and then someone makes a good point that helps to fine tune my beliefs.
Fortunately, by placing a bet rather than getting sucked in by a tar-baby to play verbal ping pong ,
much argumentation is avoided/prevented on the threads I sponsor. Yay!

amen always a pleasure God bless

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We are not discussing essential doctrine but the primary doctrine.

I have enlisted a powerful friend of mine to drive the point home.

I asked AI about the primary doctrine of Christianity and using scripture only, no theology.

Here is what AI had to say.

Scripture only.

1 Corinthians 15:1–5 — the gospel defined

“Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.​

For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.”​

(1 Cor 15:1–5)​

This passage explicitly identifies the content of the gospel:

• Christ died for our sins
• He was buried
• He was raised on the third day
• He appeared
  All “according to the Scriptures.”

The gospel as the primary doctrine

The New Testament consistently treats this gospel as foundational and primary:

“For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.”​

(1 Cor 2:2)​

“I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes.”​

(Rom 1:16)​

“There is one gospel… even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we preached to you, he is accursed.”​

(Gal 1:6–9)​

“For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”​

(1 Cor 3:11)​

All instruction flows from the gospel

All ethical, spiritual, and ecclesial instruction in the New Testament is presented as derivative, not constitutive:

“As you therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him.”​

(Col 2:6)​

“If you have been raised with Christ, seek the things above…”​

(Col 3:1)​

“I urge you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice…”​

(Rom 12:1)​

“We love, because He first loved us.”​

(1 John 4:19)​

Conclusion (from Scripture)

Yes. According to the New Testament, the gospel is the primary doctrine of Christianity.
Everything else—life in the Spirit, love, holiness, church order, endurance—rests entirely on the gospel already received.

“By which also you are saved.”​

(1 Cor 15:2)​

The gospel is not one doctrine among many; it is the foundation upon which all Christian instruction stands.

“The gospel is not one doctrine among many; it is the foundation upon which all Christian instruction stands”

yeah that’s what I said to begin the comment you are responding to …..the gospel

jesus was sent to earth to preach the gospel as well as fulfill the prophecies about his death.

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The doctrine about Believing the gospel began here with the words of Jesus who was sent to preach the gospel

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:18-19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel is the correct doctrine we agree.

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-5‬ ‭

This was Paul’s doctrine

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel according to Matthew is an account of the gospel in it you find that Jesus died as a ransom for sin was buried and rose again the third day .

Jesus being sent by god to save us and promise life eternal is also the gospel .

jesus calling sinners to repentance and offering salvation in his words is also the gospel what he preached is as essential as what he did salvation is his promise by his word to believers

 

[GWH]

The Gospel (GRFS/kerygma) hinges on the atonement of Christ, but there would be no crucifixion without Christmas, which is described in Matthew 1 (followed by the visit of the Magi in Matthew 2) and in Luke 2 (which tells about the visit of shepherds but not the Magi).

Pertaining to the Good News (Gospel), the significant parts of the story in Matthew is that Jesus (the Anointed One) was born of a virgin and named Immanuel (God with us, cf. John 1:14) in fulfillment of Isa. 7:14 and called Messiah/Christ (Matt. 1:18, 2:4). In Luke Jesus is called the Son of the Most High (Luke 1:32), Christ the Lord (Luke 2:11), the Lord's Messiah (Luke 2:26) and God's revelation to the Gentiles (Luke 2:32).

Mark does not include Christmas but begins the gospel about Jesus Christ with his baptism by John (Mark 1:1-9). The gospel by John the disciple also does not tell about the birth of Jesus but begins by saying the Word became flesh as Jesus Christ, God the Son, and it does not say Jesus was baptized by John.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Gospel (GRFS/kerygma) hinges on the atonement of Christ, but there would be no crucifixion without Christmas, which is described in Matthew 1 (followed by the visit of the Magi in Matthew 2) and in Luke 2 (which tells about the visit of shepherds but not the Magi).

Pertaining to the Good News (Gospel), the significant parts of the story in Matthew is that Jesus (the Anointed One) was born of a virgin and named Immanuel (God with us, cf. John 1:14) in fulfillment of Isa. 7:14 and called Messiah/Christ (Matt. 1:18, 2:4). In Luke Jesus is called the Son of the Most High (Luke 1:32), Christ the Lord (Luke 2:11), the Lord's Messiah (Luke 2:26) and God's revelation to the Gentiles (Luke 2:32).

Mark does not include Christmas but begins the gospel about Jesus Christ with his baptism by John (Mark 1:1-9). The gospel by John the disciple also does not tell about the birth of Jesus but begins by saying the Word became flesh as Jesus Christ, God the Son, and it does not say Jesus was baptized by John.

“The Gospel (GRFS/kerygma) hinges on the atonement of Christ, but there would be no crucifixion without Christmas, which is described in Matthew 1 (followed by the visit of the Magi in Matthew 2) and in Luke 2 (which tells about the visit of shepherds but not the Magi). “

The gospel is the true story of Jesus Christ who came to the world to save humanity . It begins at his birth even the announcement of his birth and ends with him as ending to heavens throne where he sent the Holy Ghost at pentocost .

This part also the gospel

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:22-23, 32-33, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus Christ and also him crucified and risen and ascended to heavens throne

to be clear Jesus suffering for sin being buried and raised up again is essential doctrine in the gospel it’s as much the gospel as Jesus preaching

without jesus life and ministry he could have died and would never have raised up his sinless life had to come before his death and resurrection .

jesus was sent to the world to preach the gospel he was the first person to preach it .

Look at this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But what happens if we reject him and refuse his word ?
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

What would happen if I agreed that Jesus died for my sins and rose but then I rejected what he said will save or condemn me ? And refused to ever do what he said ?

for instance what if I reject this and pretend it isnt true ?

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But I say “ Jesus died for my sins and rose I’m saved I don’t need to listen to the lords word ? I don’t need to repent as he said I’m saved already he died and rose !!

a isn’t that just rejecting everything that goes with Jesus atonement ?

Look at the doctrine brother start with the fact “ Jesus died for our sins and rose again for our justification “

now look at the doctrine of for instance baptism for remission of our sins in Jesus name.

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The atonement jesus accomplished is why his word matters it’s what gives it power to be effective in Gods sight for our saving . Or communion

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-30‬

The things we’ve been taught in the doctrine matter because it’s all true Jesus really was born he really was the lord he really did teach man the truth he really did suffer and die for our sins and he really was raised up the third day he really did ascend to the throne of heaven and send his spirit to dwell in believers

all the things he preached in the gospel are true and his actions done in the gospel give it all meaning and powerful efficacy to save mankind it’s all the gospel everything about Jesus

 

[GWH]

“The Gospel (GRFS/kerygma) hinges on the atonement of Christ, but there would be no crucifixion without Christmas, which is described in Matthew 1 (followed by the visit of the Magi in Matthew 2) and in Luke 2 (which tells about the visit of shepherds but not the Magi). “

The gospel is the true story of Jesus Christ who came to the world to save humanity . It begins at his birth even the announcement of his birth and ends with him as ending to heavens throne where he sent the Holy Ghost at pentocost .

This part also the gospel

“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:22-23, 32-33, 36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus Christ and also him crucified and risen and ascended to heavens throne

to be clear Jesus suffering for sin being buried and raised up again is essential doctrine in the gospel it’s as much the gospel as Jesus preaching

without jesus life and ministry he could have died and would never have raised up his sinless life had to come before his death and resurrection .

jesus was sent to the world to preach the gospel he was the first person to preach it .

Look at this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But what happens if we reject him and refuse his word ?
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

What would happen if I agreed that Jesus died for my sins and rose but then I rejected what he said will save or condemn me ? And refused to ever do what he said ?

for instance what if I reject this and pretend it isnt true ?

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But I say “ Jesus died for my sins and rose I’m saved I don’t need to listen to the lords word ? I don’t need to repent as he said I’m saved already he died and rose !!

a isn’t that just rejecting everything that goes with Jesus atonement ?

Look at the doctrine brother start with the fact “ Jesus died for our sins and rose again for our justification “

now look at the doctrine of for instance baptism for remission of our sins in Jesus name.

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The atonement jesus accomplished is why his word matters it’s what gives it power to be effective in Gods sight for our saving . Or communion

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭11:23-30‬

The things we’ve been taught in the doctrine matter because it’s all true Jesus really was born he really was the lord he really did teach man the truth he really did suffer and die for our sins and he really was raised up the third day he really did ascend to the throne of heaven and send his spirit to dwell in believers

all the things he preached in the gospel are true and his actions done in the gospel give it all meaning and powerful efficacy to save mankind it’s all the gospel everything about Jesus

Yes, the meaning of Christmas is truncated and vitiated if celebration of the birth of Jesus
does not include enough mention of the reason for the season--the hinge of the Gospel (John 12:27).

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, the meaning of Christmas is truncated and vitiated if celebration of the birth of Jesus
does not include enough mention of the reason for the season--the hinge of the Gospel (John 12:27).

It’s all one doctrine part of it was Jesus would be born and live and preach the gospel god had promised tonisrsel in the ot . Then he would send it to all nations for salvation .

this is the message of the gospel as much as his death and resurrection being fulfilled at long last.

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭

the gospel “hinges” on tbat truth who is Jesus ? He lives and saves before he died and also after he died and rose because there is life in the person of Jesus . Who he is that died for us comes before he died and rose . He’s our creator and Lord who did something required and amazing for us but salvation came from his word before anything was fulfilled and is the basis and foundational premise and factor of everything he’s done.

truly this is the gospel

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and without that true understanding we can’t be saved , but the rest of the gospel is all part of the gospel as well

truly this begins the gospel fulfillment promised beforhand

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Surely that’s the gospel which was to be preached

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Surely Paul preached also the kingdom of God and other things concerning Jesus like him being the son of God and judge of all humanity

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Surely this was part of what Paul was preaching

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same thing Jesus and the ot prophets and Peter claim btw as well as Paul on a few other places . My point in even taking the stance is that Jesus death and resurrection do not erase the gospel he was preaching to the people promising salvation or make it less in any way rather , it validates everything he said and makes it the word of the testator forever because he lives forever . The gospel was preached by Jesus before he died and rose to complete the message and fulfilment.






“And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this covenant has its own word and audience it’s own mediator it’s own priests and sacrificial blood of atonement. So does the gospel the new covenant it has its own word from its own mediator , it’s own preisthood own blood of remission

The gospel is all the gospel his death is the atonement like the example of the law and its blood and word which came from Moses the mediator of the law to its people. Without accepting the gospel Jesus preached and Paul also preached of the kingdom of God we don’t have any covenant word to be enjoined with the blood he shed after he spoke the word like Moses did in the example and shadow pattern he was shown on the Mount . The word of God is always the foundational point and then later comes the fulfillment of what he said would later happen that’s all I’m saying

The word Jesus spoke is how we know the covenant his death and resurrection is the atonement and requirement for justification which again is absolutely essential the gospel hinges on all of it happening though Jesus had to first be born before he could preach the gospel by Gods spirit and he had to
Preach the gospel to israel before he could be rejected and killed , die be raised up again and send the gospel to all the world for salvation and give his spirit to believers when he ascended on high if you take away any of those things he said and did for us the operation isn’t complete it’s one doctrine that’s meant to save souls

 

[GWH]

It’s all one doctrine part of it was Jesus would be born and live and preach the gospel god had promised tonisrsel in the ot . Then he would send it to all nations for salvation .

this is the message of the gospel as much as his death and resurrection being fulfilled at long last.

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭

the gospel “hinges” on tbat truth who is Jesus ? He lives and saves before he died and also after he died and rose because there is life in the person of Jesus . Who he is that died for us comes before he died and rose . He’s our creator and Lord who did something required and amazing for us but salvation came from his word before anything was fulfilled and is the basis and foundational premise and factor of everything he’s done.

truly this is the gospel

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and without that true understanding we can’t be saved , but the rest of the gospel is all part of the gospel as well

truly this begins the gospel fulfillment promised beforhand

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Surely that’s the gospel which was to be preached

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Surely Paul preached also the kingdom of God and other things concerning Jesus like him being the son of God and judge of all humanity

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Surely this was part of what Paul was preaching

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same thing Jesus and the ot prophets and Peter claim btw as well as Paul on a few other places . My point in even taking the stance is that Jesus death and resurrection do not erase the gospel he was preaching to the people promising salvation or make it less in any way rather , it validates everything he said and makes it the word of the testator forever because he lives forever . The gospel was preached by Jesus before he died and rose to complete the message and fulfilment.

“And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this covenant has its own word and audience it’s own mediator it’s own priests and sacrificial blood of atonement. So does the gospel the new covenant it has its own word from its own mediator , it’s own preisthood own blood of remission

The gospel is all the gospel his death is the atonement like the example of the law and its blood and word which came from Moses the mediator of the law to its people. Without accepting the gospel Jesus preached and Paul also preached of the kingdom of God we don’t have any covenant word to be enjoined with the blood he shed after he spoke the word like Moses did in the example and shadow pattern he was shown on the Mount . The word of God is always the foundational point and then later comes the fulfillment of what he said would later happen that’s all I’m saying

The word Jesus spoke is how we know the covenant his death and resurrection is the atonement and requirement for justification which again is absolutely essential the gospel hinges on all of it happening though Jesus had to first be born before he could preach the gospel by Gods spirit and he had to
Preach the gospel to israel before he could be rejected and killed , die be raised up again and send the gospel to all the world for salvation and give his spirit to believers when he ascended on high if you take away any of those things he said and did for us the operation isn’t complete it’s one doctrine that’s meant to save souls

Yes, the Gospel regarding Jesus' sacrificial death includes his incarnating birth and sinless life.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, the Gospel regarding Jesus' sacrificial death includes his incarnating birth and sinless life.

Indeed his identity also its all intertwined but of course without his sacrifice and also victorious resurrection over death also even now he is our living high priest and intercessor

Even these parts are the gospel and essential for us to be saved



“who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:25‬ ‭

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭

Jesus continues to minister and intercede on behalf of believers being high priest and only mediator.

it began in the ot prophets the gospel was even preached to Abraham 430 yrs before the law , when he was told that through Christ he would be father of many nations


“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because through his seed which was Christ would come the blessing for all nations

“that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So when god told Abraham this

“and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s the gospel about Jesus which would lead to his sacrifice and atonement , already being preached to Abraham. Befor Israel Abraham grandson , even existed.

 

[GWH]

Indeed his identity also its all intertwined but of course without his sacrifice and also victorious resurrection over death also even now he is our living high priest and intercessor

Even these parts are the gospel and essential for us to be saved



“who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭

“Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:25‬ ‭

“Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:34‬ ‭

Jesus continues to minister and intercede on behalf of believers being high priest and only mediator.

it began in the ot prophets the gospel was even preached to Abraham 430 yrs before the law , when he was told that through Christ he would be father of many nations


“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Because through his seed which was Christ would come the blessing for all nations

“that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So when god told Abraham this

“and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s the gospel about Jesus which would lead to his sacrifice and atonement , already being preached to Abraham. Befor Israel Abraham grandson , even existed.

Yes, I should have said the Gospel includes Jesus' incarnating birth (1Tim. 1:16), sinless life (Heb. 4:15), sacrificial death (Rom. 3:25) and resurrection (1Cor. 15:20).

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, I should have said the Gospel includes Jesus' incarnating birth (1Tim. 1:16), sinless life (Heb. 4:15), sacrificial death (Rom. 3:25) and resurrection (1Cor. 15:20).

Also his ministry

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. …..And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. And he preached in the synagogues of Galilee.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-19, 21, 43-44‬ ‭

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. ……Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

….Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12, 31-32, 51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

…..Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63, 68-69‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He was also preaching salvation in his doctrine

“how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, ( Jesus )

and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; ( apostles and witnesses who preached the gospel after he died and rose )

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, ( record of the acts of the apostles how god was with them as they preached ) according to his own will?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[GWH]

Also his ministry

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. …..And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. And he preached in the synagogues of Galilee.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-19, 21, 43-44‬ ‭

“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. ……Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

….Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12, 31-32, 51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

…..Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63, 68-69‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He was also preaching salvation in his doctrine

“how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, ( Jesus )

and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; ( apostles and witnesses who preached the gospel after he died and rose )

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, ( record of the acts of the apostles how god was with them as they preached ) according to his own will?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think his life and ministry are rather synonymous, but I have amended uno what to include what you have suggested:

This Gospel was preached by Peter (in Acts 2:22-24) and summarized by Paul (in 1Cor. 15:1-8). The salient points include: Jesus was a man (1Tim. 1:16), accredited by his sinless life (Heb. 4:15) and ministry (John 10:37-38) to be God’s Messiah, who died on a cross as the sacrifice for humanity’s sins (Rom. 3:25), but who was raised or resurrected from the dead (1Cor. 15:20).

Thanks!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think his life and ministry are rather synonymous, but I have amended uno what to include what you have suggested:

This Gospel was preached by Peter (in Acts 2:22-24) and summarized by Paul (in 1Cor. 15:1-8). The salient points include: Jesus was a man (1Tim. 1:16), accredited by his sinless life (Heb. 4:15) and ministry (John 10:37-38) to be God’s Messiah, who died on a cross as the sacrifice for humanity’s sins (Rom. 3:25), but who was raised or resurrected from the dead (1Cor. 15:20).

Thanks!

Yes brother it’s only my own thinking anything I say is the same . It’s nothing I claim to be official or worth more than other options just my take . On things for the sake of discussion which your one I don’t mind discussing with because of the mature attitude you exhibit . I think when attitudes are right we tend to learn from one another quite a bit in discussions fornthe right purposes

God bless you bro

 

[GWH]

Yes brother it’s only my own thinking anything I say is the same . It’s nothing I claim to be official or worth more than other options just my take . On things for the sake of discussion which your one I don’t mind discussing with because of the mature attitude you exhibit . I think when attitudes are right we tend to learn from one another quite a bit in discussions fornthe right purposes

God bless you bro

Yes, although I have learned humility from those who hurt my feelings with their pejorative accusations,
I much prefer friendly discussions. Everything everyone says is their own opinion, and we learn which are worth
more than others by testing them, keeping what seems good and not believing what appears to be evil (per 1Thes. 5:21).

In obeying this instruction of Paul, I have come to value two NT teachings as key points from which to triangulate
or use to guide an interpretation of the Bible and problematic beliefs such as TULIP.

First, God loves and wants to save everyone. Seven Scriptures teaching divine omnilove include: 1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2 and 1Tim. 2:3-4, which might be deemed the “7 pearls”. Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (Rom. 5:6-8) including His enemies: those who are ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ, pseudo-Christian (Matt. 7:21, John 8:42-44).

Second, God is just (2Thes. 1:6a, cf. Rom. 3:25-26 & 9:14, Deut. 32:4, Psa. 36:6, Luke 11:42, Rev. 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (Joel 2:13, John 3:16). This parameter is affirmed in the OT (Psa. 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”

Even the wrath of God is an expression of His love/love of justice/righteousness. The writer of Hebrews (Heb. 12:4-11) indicates that divine wrath is intended as discipline for the purpose of teaching people to repent of their hatefulness and faithlessness (Pro. 3:12, Isa. 33:14-15 Rev. 3:19).

If a righteous explanation cannot be found for a passage of Scripture purporting to describe God’s will (such as Joshua 6:17-24, 8:2&24 & 10:28-40, 11:6-23), then IMO it should be considered as historical or descriptive of what people perceived rather than as pedagogical or prescriptive of God’s nature. Unrighteous rage should not be attributed to God.

Over...

 

[Inquisitor]

Yes, the Gospel regarding Jesus' sacrificial death includes his incarnating birth and sinless life.

You need to understand more intently the crucifixion and our absolute reconciliation
through His sacrifice for us. That one event fulfilled the law and the prophets and told
us, in no uncertain terms, the extent and depth of God's love for us.

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the only event in the N.T that saves us.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You need to understand more intently the crucifixion and our absolute reconciliation
through His sacrifice for us. That one event fulfilled the law and the prophets and told
us, in no uncertain terms, the extent and depth of God's love for us.

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the only event in the N.T that saves us.

“That one event fulfilled the law and the prophets”

thats ridiculous

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

throughout the gospel prophecies are being. Fuflilled concerning Jesus Christ the sin of God one of which is that Jesus would be the first man to preach the gospel by Gods spirit .

“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah . And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:17-19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One event that highlights the problem some try to use Jesus death to erase his word.

Jesus life from his north on there are fulfillments of the law and prophets probably fifty I can think of right now that literally say “ this happened to fulfill the prophets or law “

This is the one some need to look o to though

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That one’s about Jesus too

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You need to understand more intently the crucifixion and our absolute reconciliation
through His sacrifice for us. That one event fulfilled the law and the prophets and told
us, in no uncertain terms, the extent and depth of God's love for us.

The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the only event in the N.T that saves us.

There’s no real reason to try to erase the New Testament for the sake of something that happened but to avoid what the rest of the New Testament says everyone knows jesus died and rose that’s not a reason to reject the rest lol