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I humbly say, I assume fallen humans have eternal death; JESUS Freely GIVES us Eternal LIFE
So the story of soul I was told was God speaking to him one minute and the next he wasnt, in his mind he was tormented because his son David was having to play music to him to calm him, whilst he was being tormented by the evil spirit that tormented him, sent by God
Now theres many directions this understanding can go in
Was God allowing David to comfort him whilst he was being punished
Was Saul in a such a tormented state that actually he wasn't just being tormented, but actually being told he was going to hell and even being made to see a picture of hell.
Well for that understanding you need to understand that many people are made to see a picture of hell by his word, especially in the wicked .they will be tormented by it, and torment is definitely a state of living hell according to the richman and Lazarus.
All tho you could look at it as Hades and death gave up the dead that where in it, as they where dead, before they where gave up, which means they where not being tormented before they where given up.
Which could imply that the richman and lazarus is actually implying a living state of hell in the conscience whilst a person is alive in the flesh.
AMEN, as long as we follow HIS rule book on how to be saved.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
I just did share his word for the wicked, I believe when God has passed Judgement there may well be no more choice a person can make to gain Gods trust. You could look at it if God is sending torment to punish, but then when God leaves 600.000 men to die in the wilderness, I sense a final judgment there, all tho you could think well maybe he came back when they where just about to draw there last breath, and said are you ready to make a choice yet
GOD does give us free will.
HE neves gives up on us, after we are reborn, believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled us with HIS spirit were good to go.
If we decide to go back into the wilderness and then decide to come back to JESUS we can, we just have to repent and confess our sins to HIM.
A person just deciding to go into the wilderness is not the same as God putting them there, God doesn't give you choice to abandon him whilst your saved that I can see, and even by the suggestions in scripture, they still have questions that could make you see different , and I can't see that a saved person would even think about going to the wilderness, probably more like they could be made to think that, as when your saved it's a case of Philippians 2:13
You say God gave you free will, but his word says mans will lives in the flesh, it seems a bit weird he gave you it since his word also says the nature of the flesh is corrupted,
Personally I would go with freedom of thought that he gave you before where saved and his will was in Adam before he fell, then Adams flesh became corrupted with his own will, wanting to be God for himself probably, and personally since I've been taught by people of sound mind my whole life, I would go for hope being the saving factor in the unsaved, and hope in the saved being the the number one blessing that receives comunion.
DUDE, YOU DO A LOT OF ASSUMING.
Best thing for you to do is read HIS word and keep your imagination out of it.
According to HIS word, there is a HELL.
You don't have to like it.
re read my last post as stated, mans will lives in the flesh it's written in John 1, but it's not a good free will at all, it's corrupted, and it can't choose to be saved as written in John 1,
Theres another understanding to.
God switched the lights of in his life in adam, is his soul, because the nature of his life infected it's self with sin which gave birth to mans free will in the flesh.
Maybe you need the amplified version but this in the kjv
John 1:13 people who are saved
who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse] ( not saved by the will of the flesh ie choice), nor of the will of man ie another man's free will [that of a natural father], but of God (ie saved by God(
[that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].
Just sharing, I believe it's hope that saves. But not will or choice
Romans 8:24-25
New International Version
24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
really well maybe you comment on why you think that post was assuming instead of just throwing a blanket statement down
This was your statement, to me just assumptions.
So the story of soul I was told was God speaking to him one minute and the next he wasnt, in his mind he was tormented because his son David was having to play music to him to calm him, whilst he was being tormented by the evil spirit that tormented him, sent by God
Now theres many directions this understanding can go in
Was God allowing David to comfort him whilst he was being punished
Was Saul in a such a tormented state that actually he wasn't just being tormented, but actually being told he was going to hell and even being made to see a picture of hell.
Well for that understanding you need to understand that many people are made to see a picture of hell by his word, especially in the wicked .they will be tormented by it, and torment is definitely a state of living hell according to the richman and Lazarus.
All tho you could look at it as Hades and death gave up the dead that where in it, as they where dead, before they where gave up, which means they where not being tormented before they where given up.
Which could imply that the richman and lazarus is actually implying a living state of hell in the conscience whilst a person is alive in the flesh.
Hope this helped.
It depends on what the conspiracy is about. Is it about something that opposes the God's truth then it says to stay away from that type of chatter. But the Bible speak of all types of conspiracies like the Pharisees conspired against Jesus.
Like there's a group of ruling elites that claims to be Jews, but they plot against the Jews. That they control the school system having the schools to teach the theory of evolution as facts.
And so, the Bible speaks of many plots against the righteous, which that means God and His prophets are the Biggest conspiracy theorists of them all
1 Timothy 6:20
Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Revelation 3:9
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
I looked in to that and the results are in - you have a personal problem.
If God's Word isn't good enough for ya, then you might want to not look at my posts going forward.
Those that can't run with the big dawgz better stay up on the porch with the pups!
I'm posting what the Lord says in His Word, not "answering for myself"
Carry off
Those that know God's Word know that it is. Some are claiming Jesus is a liar and He lied about hell.
These people will not be found in God's Kingdom unless they REPENT and believe Jesus did not lie about hell.
Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment
Mark 9:43-44
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist.
Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.
Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.
No, lucifer became evil at the point in which he decided to try to overthrow God and became God's enemy.
Ezekiel 28:15 (speaking of lucifer)
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
God created lucifer perfect... until lucifer decided to be in opposition to God:
Isaiah 14:13 (speaking of lucifer)
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
This is when lucifer was originally cast down from Heaven:
Luke 10:18
And he said unto them, I beheld satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Job tells us he was in fear which is sinful behavior and is the reason why satan was able to attack him because Job's fear causes the hedge of protection God had placed around him to be broken down
Contrary to popular false teaching concerning what happened Job, God did not allow satan to attack Job - it was Job walking in far that opened the door to satan being able to attack him.
God cannot be tested, tempted or tried with evil.
The devil can try all he wants and God is not capable to doing evil because there is no darkness in God.
And no where in the Bible do we see the Lord telling His people to be all worried and caught up with stuff like this.
Those following conspiracy theories are not being led by the Holy Spirit and are in fact being led by devils and are too slow to know it.
They need to spend their time learning of God's Word, fellowsghipping with the Lord, and be about the business of the Father winning the lost and making disciples
Like what Pilate' said, "What is truth?"
JFK assassination, conspiracy theorists say that he was killed by the CIA. And so, was their theory of the assassination true, and or was it done by a lone gunman like Trump's assassination attempt was also done by a lone gunman?
But since the ruling class that God warned us about has demonized the term Conspiracy Theory since the term actually means an idea of conspired plots by a certain group, that we should rename those theorists into Truthers. Unless they'll try to demonize that phrase.
But there are many Truther's spreading the truths out there
Jesus tells us that God's Word is Truth
God's Word mentions nothing about who shot JFK, or the Jews killing Charlie Kirk, or the French killing Charlie Kirk, or any of this garbage
Irrelevant to the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and to Real Christians.
All having been distracted from the Real Truth of God's Word and the calling of Real Christians to fellowship with the Lord based on His Word and win the lost and make disciples
What the nutjob conspiracy theory people don't understand is they have been tricked by demons to follow rabbit holes that lead to hell having departed from the leading of the Holy Spirit.
2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
Real Christians are not entangling themselves with the affairs of this life which is what the conspiracy theory nutjobs are doing having become carnal minded which is death (separation from God) - Romans 8:6
I can only see my understandings here, not assumptions,
You will have to point out what I've assumed.
I just wonder when an evil spirit is tormenting somebody, is it going to pleasant or something to them ?
And if a person dies whilst being punished by an evil spirit are they going to heaven ?
Im asking because you seem to be assuming a lot yourself, like you assume you can just decide to go in the wilderness , and you can come back when ever you want, and you assume this in favour of corrupt free will,
Tell me what is so important about your free will when God has sent an evil spirit to punish you ?
The post that I was typing and going back and forth retrieving info from other sites has mysteriously been erased again. It normally saves the contents for another times. My battles aren't with the commoners but the ruling class of this shadowy government.
But as I was typing before these mysterious shadowy groups deleted what I was typing, that the Bible has hidden messages that only God's elects can interpret. And the Bible in its original state is the Book of Life that it's mentioned in Revelations. It has all of our entire lives written in it. And it mentions who will be blotted out from it. That's how the movie The Bible code was inspired from.
But the Bible does mentions about a shadow government that's secretly taking over the world
Peace brought forgiveness and is living hope, It's God who forgives us, and who helps people to forgive themselves.
satan may well have become evil and became evil when Moses was walking up the mountain,.or it could have been before it I believe it was before when he Wanted to prove people can turn away from By God by what ever means possible he tries to prove it, doesn't matter to me, you mention theses arguments about what God allows and what he doesn't, well it's unbelievable that people take these matters into there own hands and its dangerous,
You for sure did a lot of assuming to come up with your conclusion.
Why are you asking "if a person dies whilst being punished by an evil spirit are they going to heaven"
Describe that person, a card reader or someone who is working for Satan every day?
Did JESUS fill they with the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4?
I didn't assume when I said after we are reborn and we leave to our old life (the wilderness) we can't come back.
The story of the prodigal son is an example, I don't just say things I can't back up with HIS word.
After we are reborn and we sin, it could be just a lust full thought!! All we need to do is repent, and confess that sin. 1 John 1:7-9
How is that assuming?
How many times did GOD send an evil spirit to punish you?
That person must be REAL BAD.