Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

But you do Jordon, you just don't see it.

if your talking about me saying how people behave after being shown the truth, then that's not driving a label on there faith, like I've had shoved on me hundreds of times.

What's that's saying is exactly how there behaving, and my pastor says exactly the same thing,

Merry Christmas

 

[Jordon]

Listen... when it comes to being mean? Are you blind to the snideness of Calvinists who despise what they want to call "free willers?"
You would have to be blind not to see the vicious streak some of them express. And, you give them a free pass....

You go on about being tuff but yet you can't get past free will,

Everyone is a free willer in many ways , mans will lives in the flesh, there's no way to get rid of it, just to tame it,

If you where able to accept it then maybe you could move on.

 

[the_seeker]

OK folks.
From all of me - to all of you -

a very merry Christmas !

 

[sawdust]

but you do Jordon what ?

You have stood by and watched the labels, some very derogatory, put on us who disagree with Reformed doctrine.

 

[Jordon]

You have stood by and watched the labels, some very derogatory, put on us who disagree with Reformed doctrine.

What reformed doctrine ? One in particular or many ?.

Ive posted 3 very good sermons from my United reformed church I attend from very well loved people, my church is a family run reformed church.

Theres people in this thread who have no idea what a reformed church probably even looks like I bet, probably have never been to one, and somehow think they can know, then think they can lecture.

Then theres people who miss represent reformed churches, so once again I have no idea what your on about, and then we'll there's just plain old immaturity,.not accepting that with out reformers we would still be tied to the RC church,

 

[sawdust]

if your talking about me saying how people behave after being shown the truth, then that's not driving a label on there faith, like I've had shoved on me hundreds of times.

What's that's saying is exactly how there behaving, and my pastor says exactly the same thing,

Merry Christmas

What makes you think you have been showing us the truth? You could be wrong in what you believe. No-one has a monopoly. We share what we believe on both sides and that is suppose to be open for discussion.

Your behaviour has hardly been a paragon of virtue.

As long as people hold this "I'm always right, your always wrong attitude" there never is discussion, only arguments and ultimately ridicule.

You call out other people's behaviour as if you have some right to do so but when they call out yours, you get a hair across your backside as if they are the only ones doing any wrong.

It's a pastors place to call out unacceptable behaviour in his congregation, that doesn't give you the right to police everyone who doesn't agree with you especially when it is as biased as yours has been.

The English two tier policing system seems to be rubbing off on more than the police.

 

[Jordon]

What makes you think you have been showing us the truth? You could be wrong in what you believe. No-one has a monopoly. We share what we believe on both sides and that is suppose to be open for discussion.

Your behaviour has hardly been a paragon of virtue.

As long as people hold this "I'm always right, your always wrong attitude" there never is discussion, only arguments and ultimately ridicule.

You call out other people's behaviour as if you have some right to do so but when they call out yours, you get a hair across your backside as if they are the only ones doing any wrong.

It's a pastors place to call out unacceptable behaviour in his congregation, that doesn't give you the right to police everyone who doesn't agree with you especially when it is as biased as yours has been.

The English two tier policing system seems to be rubbing off on more than the police.

excuse me lady,..but I'm not a person you can just label.

The truth is when it comes to the truth some people don't like it,

You can defend and excuse the behaviour in this thread all you like, and you can turn it around on me all you like, have a good day

 

[sawdust]

What reformed doctrine ? One in particular or many ?.

https://www.gotquestions.org/reformed-theology.html

 

[sawdust]

excuse me lady,..but I'm not a person you can just label.

The truth is when it comes to the truth some people don't like it,

You can defend and excuse the behaviour in this thread all you like, and you can turn it around on me all you like, have a good day

See what I mean. Not one label put on you in my post and I have not defended or excused any behaviour but there goes that hair across your backside again. It's always all about you, you make it about you, no-one else has to.

Why did you excuse brothers and sisters being called children of the devil, blasphemers, heretics, moron, idiots, liars, duplicitous. You never said a word about any of that behaviour, some of it your own.

I'm gonna have a great Day.

Merry Christmas

ps. I do excuse you.

 

[Jordon]

https://www.gotquestions.org/reformed-theology.html

I can post you a hundreds of different sermons from our reformed church with no mention of tulip, you have no idea what your going on about,

Anyhow I'm not in mood for arguing with got questions. Org.

Its incredible that you just turn to got questions.org rather than listen to genuine sermons directly from a reformed church.

The internet even lists my church the united reformed church as calvinist, and it's not just associated with some of Calvin's teachings, nope our church teaches anyone can be saved , and I believe it's the same for the other many denominations that Ai lists as calvinist in the UK,

It's an absolute joke mate.

 

[Jordon]

See what I mean. Not one label put on you in my post and I have not defended or excused any behaviour but there goes that hair across your backside again. It's always all about you, you make it about you, no-one else has to.

Why did you excuse brothers and sisters being called children of the devil, blasphemers, heretics, moron, idiots, liars, duplicitous. You never said a word about any of that behaviour, some of it your own.

I'm gonna have a great Day.

Merry Christmas

ps. I do excuse you.

You accuse me of being somebody Im not, you make out I'm not showing you the truth when I am, that's labelling me.

The best part is you can't accept a simple belief that God can make you believe without calling that forceful.

And you haven't listened to reason many times, and you've encouraged racist behaviour here with the Calvinist name calling

 

[Jordon]

See what I mean. Not one label put on you in my post and I have not defended or excused any behaviour but there goes that hair across your backside again. It's always all about you, you make it about you, no-one else has to.

Why did you excuse brothers and sisters being called children of the devil, blasphemers, heretics, moron, idiots, liars, duplicitous. You never said a word about any of that behaviour, some of it your own.

I'm gonna have a great Day.

Merry Christmas

ps. I do excuse you.

merry Christmas

Jesus making a whole town of Samaritans belief

Many Samaritans Believe
39 Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” 40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. 41 And because of his words many more became believers.

Yeppers mate

Merry Christmas

 

[Jordon]

You have stood by and watched the labels, some very derogatory, put on us who disagree with Reformed doctrine.

and Fyi I've not stood by bye all the teaching of people arguing against free will, in fact I've corrected some of there harshness a few times, but what ever I've said hasn't been taken notice of, so why should I bother to keep on correcting there behaviour, they have to correct it for themselves.

 

[brightfame52]

First of all. Not everyone is deceitful.

Yes we are by nature, that is the human heart by nature. The only remedy is a new heart given in regeneration. Ezekiel 36:26

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh

 

[Jordon]

Yes we are by nature, that is the human heart by nature. The only remedy is a new heart given in regeneration. Ezekiel 36:26

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh

yep a new spirit, but somehow Mr genez wont accept that must mean we already have a spirit.

I mean it's like this, you go to shop to buy a TV and the man knows you have an old TV already, and he says to you, today I will give you a new TV

Jesus knows you already have a spirit and hes saying today I will give you a new spirit

 

[brightfame52]

yep a new spirit, but somehow Mr genez wont accept that must mean we already have a spirit.

I mean it's like this, you go to shop to buy a TV and the man knows you have an old TV already, and he says to you, today I will give you a new TV

Jesus knows you already have a spirit and hes saying today I will give you a new spirit

Everything about man is dead to God by nature, hence as Jesus said, one must be born again or created a new man

 

[cv5]

excuse me lady,..but I'm not a person you can just label.

The truth is when it comes to the truth some people don't like it,

You can defend and excuse the behaviour in this thread all you like, and you can turn it around on me all you like, have a good day

Does your Church teach amillennialism?

 

[cv5]

Yes we are by nature, that is the human heart by nature. The only remedy is a new heart given in regeneration. Ezekiel 36:26

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh

I would place my bet and say that it's actually you the stoney heart.
Probably afflicted with Isaiah 6:9-10 too.

Luk 7:38
and stood at His feet behind Him weeping; and she began to wash His feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head; and she kissed His feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil.

Act 10:2
a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always.

Luk 2:25
And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

Act 10:2
a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always.

Act 10:7
And when the angel who spoke to him had departed, Cornelius called two of his household servants and a devout soldier from among those who waited on him continually.

 

[HeIsHere]

Interesting. We all saw what the "we are the chosen" concept did to the antagonistic Pharisees.

Doesn't matter how many times we correct their misunderstanding of what we say, they simply turn around and call us liars and refuse to believe they got it wrong.

I'm thankful the Lord will sort out the mess on The Day.

Yes and the new revelation to me on this thread, that the "elect" were/are/will be created especially to be chosen, that how they explain away the lack of stated criteria in scripture for "selection."

Very good point regarding the Pharisees, very good point indeed.

 

[cv5]

Everything about man is dead to God by nature, hence as Jesus said, one must be born again or created a new man

Garbage Calvinist flashcard dogma. Unsupported by anything other than their vain Biblically illiterate imagination.

Luk 2:36
Now there was one, Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was of a great age, and had lived with a husband seven years from her virginity;

Luk 1:5
There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.
Luk 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Gen 6:9
This is the genealogy of Noah. Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.

Eze 14:14
“Even if these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they would deliver only themselves by their righteousness,” says the Lord GOD.