The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

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The gospel is how we are saved regardless of any fancy biblical footwork.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Now I make known to you, brothers and sisters, the gospel which I preached to you, which you also received,
in which you also stand, by which you also are saved, if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you,
unless you believed in vain. For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died
for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day
according to the Scriptures.

This simple gospel is the heart, the foundation, the sole reason that we are saved.

Everything else is of secondary importance and I mean everything else.

Do not be distracted because only Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life!
 
Your God is too small.

A classic example of the brutal attempt at gaining a form of self righteousness through obedience.

I do wish they would take a vow of silence for a decade.

They do not boast in Christ, oh no, they boast in self perfection.

It's not about Jesus it's all about me.
 
You have apparently either been reading the Qu'ran instead of the Bible or listening to Catholics instead of the Holy Spirit.

What you describe is a lifetime of striving that leaves believers with no assurance of salvation. What Scripture describes is an instantaneous translation from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light.

The Koran?

Muhammed the great prophet claimed Jesus was not crucified or resurrected.

Can anyone strike a more critical blow at Christianity than Muhammed.
 
You have apparently either been reading the Qu'ran instead of the Bible or listening to Catholics instead of the Holy Spirit.

What you describe is a lifetime of striving that leaves believers with no assurance of salvation. What Scripture describes is an instantaneous translation from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light.

Both-and thinking is needed to harmonize GW,
which teaches both positional righteousness in Christ
and that those who truly accept Jesus as Lord will want to reflect divine love to everyone more and more until the day they die.
SPOR
 
Both-and thinking is needed to harmonize GW,
which teaches both positional righteousness in Christ
and that those who truly accept Jesus as Lord will want to reflect divine love to everyone more and more until the day they die.
SPOR

Read this paragraph very carefully GWH.

Colossians 1:21-23
And although you were previously alienated and hostile in attitude, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now
reconciled you in His body of flesh through death
, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless
and beyond reproach— if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not shifting
from the hope of the gospe
l that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and
of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

The gospel is not about us or the church or anything else.

Salvation is a gift given to those that call on His name.

Focus, focus, focus.
 
Read this paragraph very carefully GWH.

Colossians 1:21-23
And although you were previously alienated and hostile in attitude, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now
reconciled you in His body of flesh through death
, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless
and beyond reproach— if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not shifting
from the hope of the gospe
l that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and
of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

The gospel is not about us or the church or anything else.

Salvation is a gift given to those that call on His name.

Focus, focus, focus.

Observe this very carefully Inq:

See what happens when gifts are not opened on Christmas morning.

both-and, cooperation, faith/opening gift is not meritorious
 
Both-and thinking is needed to harmonize GW,
which teaches both positional righteousness in Christ
and that those who truly accept Jesus as Lord will want to reflect divine love to everyone more and more until the day they die.
SPOR

When a Christian reflects the image of the Christ brightly that does not alter that salvation.
is a free gift. Given because the recipient believed in Jesus.

There is no "positional" righteousness in Christ there is only divine righteousness.

You are gifted that divine righteousness by Jesus Himself.

If you believe in Jesus you receive the Holy Spirit which is God's seal on your salvation.

You are perfectly righteous because you believe in Jesus, it's all about Jesus.

There is zero harmonizing between the divine gospel and your pathetic attempt at righteousness.

1 Corinthians 4:8
You are already filled, you have already become rich, you have become kings without us; and indeed,
I wish that you had become kings so that we also might reign with you!
 
You have apparently either been reading the Qu'ran instead of the Bible or listening to Catholics instead of the Holy Spirit.

What you describe is a lifetime of striving that leaves believers with no assurance of salvation. What Scripture describes is an instantaneous translation from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light.

Comment:

so you are saying those statement are not real, Christ and the Apostles never made them?
a person, if they "willingly" on purpose return to sin, God will take back His Spirit and that person can be headed for the Lake of fire.

Read Matthew 25, as Christ begins His return, HE tells half the Church "I never knew you"

there is no once saved always saved, that would mean a person could repent, be baptized and return back to sin ??? and many do.
 
Your God is too small.


So you do not believe these statements are in the New Testament?

those that endure until the end will be saved.
we must DO the will of the Father to be saved
we must Repent of our sins to be saved
if we desire eternal life "Keep the commandments
or what Christ says here and Christ says lots more then these
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
Comment:

so you are saying those statement are not real, Christ and the Apostles never made them?
a person, if they "willingly" on purpose return to sin, God will take back His Spirit and that person can be headed for the Lake of fire.

Read Matthew 25, as Christ begins His return, HE tells half the Church "I never knew you"

there is no once saved always saved, that would mean a person could repent, be baptized and return back to sin ??? and many do.
If you’re going to put words in my mouth, I see no reason to continue conversing with you. It tells me you aren’t interested in hearing my perspective as you have already invented it for yourself.
 
Comment:

so you are saying those statement are not real, Christ and the Apostles never made them?
a person, if they "willingly" on purpose return to sin, God will take back His Spirit and that person can be headed for the Lake of fire.

Read Matthew 25, as Christ begins His return, HE tells half the Church "I never knew you"

there is no once saved always saved, that would mean a person could repent, be baptized and return back to sin ??? and many do.

I think you misunderstand what is being said.

A person can only ever be saved by believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ, that is a fact.

There are many ways to break the contract, that is, the new covenant with Jesus Christ.

No matter how much you love your brother and sisters.

Your salvation will remain a free gift granted to you because you believe in Jesus.

The Galatians were in a state of fallen from grace because they touched the law (Galatians 5:4).

Gentiles are forbidden from touching any of the law of Moses.

Once again, a person can only ever be saved by believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
(Matthew 7:12)

A simple gospel and it has to be simple otherwise you will have dozens of doctrines.
 
If you’re going to put words in my mouth, I see no reason to continue conversing with you. It tells me you aren’t interested in hearing my perspective as you have already invented it for yourself.


No I am point out doctrine can not be made with one scripture, all scriptures on a subject must be used.

I use the term 40,000 flavor and many do not like it but what it is saying is the Word of God is not written to be understood and the fact there are 40 thousand plus interpretations is proof. I use many translation before I even think I am close to truth

Have you read Isaiah 28?
10For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:

11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

12To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

If God does not open one's mind they will not understand
 
I think you misunderstand what is being said.

A person can only ever be saved by believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ, that is a fact.

There are many ways to break the contract, that is, the new covenant with Jesus Christ.

No matter how much you love your brother and sisters.

Your salvation will remain a free gift granted to you because you believe in Jesus.

The Galatians were in a state of fallen from grace because they touched the law (Galatians 5:4).

Gentiles are forbidden from touching any of the law of Moses.

Once again, a person can only ever be saved by believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
(Matthew 7:12)

A simple gospel and it has to be simple otherwise you will have dozens of doctrines.


Comment
"Gentiles are forbidden from touching any of the law of Moses"

if that were a fact then gentiles would not required to repent nor get baptized.

which means there is one way for Jews and another way for gentiles --two paths to eternal life, not one
 
When a Christian reflects the image of the Christ brightly that does not alter that salvation.
is a free gift. Given because the recipient believed in Jesus.
There is no "positional" righteousness in Christ there is only divine righteousness.
You are gifted that divine righteousness by Jesus Himself.
If you believe in Jesus you receive the Holy Spirit which is God's seal on your salvation.
You are perfectly righteous because you believe in Jesus, it's all about Jesus.
There is zero harmonizing between the divine gospel and your pathetic attempt at righteousness.

1 Corinthians 4:8
You are already filled, you have already become rich, you have become kings without us; and indeed,
I wish that you had become kings so that we also might reign with you!

Romans 4 teaches what is called positional righteousness citing the case of Abraham, because saving faith
is credited or viewed by God as sharing the righteousness of Christ as we learn how to become more loving in practice.
 
No I am point out doctrine can not be made with one scripture, all scriptures on a subject must be used.

I use the term 40,000 flavor and many do not like it but what it is saying is the Word of God is not written to be understood and the fact there are 40 thousand plus interpretations is proof. I use many translation before I even think I am close to truth

Have you read Isaiah 28?

If God does not open one's mind they will not understand
I have read the entire Bible many times, and I am well aware of the context of this passage, which makes clear it is speaking of those who resist instruction.
 
Romans 4 teaches what is called positional righteousness citing the case of Abraham, because saving faith
is credited or viewed by God as sharing the righteousness of Christ as we learn how to become more loving in practice.

I do not follow your argument.

Where in Romans 4?

This paragraph below?

Romans 4:22-24
Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness. Now not for his sake only was it written that it was
credited to him, but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised
Jesus our Lord from the dead
.
 
The gospel is how we are saved regardless of any fancy biblical footwork.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Now I make known to you, brothers and sisters, the gospel which I preached to you, which you also received,
in which you also stand, by which you also are saved, if you hold firmly to the word which I preached to you,
unless you believed in vain. For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died
for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day
according to the Scriptures.

This simple gospel is the heart, the foundation, the sole reason that we are saved.

Everything else is of secondary importance and I mean everything else.

Do not be distracted because only Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life!

“Everything else is of secondary importance and I mean everything else.”

Yeah I mean some might think to ignore stuff like this that’s in Paul’s writings and make it not important to themselves and anyone they can convince

Jesus

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

paul

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Others would never ignore such a repeated teaching and Important part of the doctrine but as they hear it again and again



James

“So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36-38‬ ‭

some do this with Gods word

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth;

they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”( same thing paul said in Roman’s 2)
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24, 26-29‬ ‭

Others do this when they hear Gods word

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

There’s a lot of important doctrine that gets rejected to be honest but not everyone is willing to reject the word in order to make things fit thier own belief

This is scary to acknowledge when we’re being honest with our own self …… it it’s meant to be

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It should bring godly fear

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice this is Paul writing to the church at Corinth ? And how he’s not talking only about Jesus dying on the cross ? But he’s talking about a biblical truth from the ot and gospel and nt epistles and visions.


“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; “

There’s no reason for anyone to try to lessen the rest of scripture of course jesus being born living among us teaching healing doing miracles dying for sin being raised up again to life eternal and ascending to the heavenly throne that’s all main theme of the biblical message . But it all works together to make a full and complete message honoring and revolving around Jesus himself not o my what he did for us in dying but his eternal life and reign as king of kings , his spirit within our hearts ect
 
No I am point out doctrine can not be made with one scripture, all scriptures on a subject must be used.

I use the term 40,000 flavor and many do not like it but what it is saying is the Word of God is not written to be understood and the fact there are 40 thousand plus interpretations is proof. I use many translation before I even think I am close to truth

Have you read Isaiah 28?
10For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:

11For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

12To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

If God does not open one's mind they will not understand
Are the Christadelphians not part of the 40,000 flavors? What’s your opinion on John Thomas being labeled as a heretic?
 
So you do not believe these statements are in the New Testament?

those that endure until the end will be saved.
we must DO the will of the Father to be saved
we must Repent of our sins to be saved
if we desire eternal life "Keep the commandments
or what Christ says here and Christ says lots more then these
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. -- John 10:27-28 ESV
 
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