“Christmas” is in a few days --- why do you observe it?

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Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

And yet it is the major event of the year for the 40,000 kinds of Christianity.

What does Santa Claus and Christmas trees have to do with the birth of our Savior?

And of course, let’s not leave out Rudolf the red noses reindeer.

If Jesus Christ did not observe or teach it, nor Christ’s 13 Apostles and is not in the New Testament.

Why do you?
It's a paid day off from work.
Indoor trees are cool (although mine is fake because I'm allergic).
The cartoons are cool.
Being with family is cool.
 
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Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

And yet it is the major event of the year for the 40,000 kinds of Christianity.

What does Santa Claus and Christmas trees have to do with the birth of our Savior?

And of course, let’s not leave out Rudolf the red noses reindeer.

If Jesus Christ did not observe or teach it, nor Christ’s 13 Apostles and is not in the New Testament.

Why do you?
How about we address a derivative of that question based on

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Christmas celebration was made by the word of God, so then which Bible verses led to the Christmas celebration?

We have the obvious ones in Revelation 12 that the whole world has been deceived by Satan, so you have to have a worldwide deception involving the testimony of Jesus.

Then of course we have the one about the day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night. Santa coming down the chimney in the middle of the night when everyone is asleep is precisely how a thief comes. But Santa leaves presents, rather than stealing something, so what does he steal.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

This term for spoil means to defraud. Santa, basically Satan in disguise, defrauds you of your prize using the vain tradition of men in exchange for Jesus Christ, the hope of Glory.

Obviously the elves, Santa as the head elf, and the flying reindeer are all a reference to the occult and magic, and that is certainly referenced in the Bible as well.

Santa having a list of who is naughty and nice and then bringing gifts to every house on earth in one night, that is a mockery of the doctrine of the rapture.

The letter to Santa is Satan teaching people how to pray for things, pushing the whole commercialism which feeds covetousness.

There is a distinction between the Christmas eve service worshipping the incarnated Christ and depicting the midnight cry vs. people waking up from their sleep and realizing they have been defrauded, left behind.
 
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I see what everyone is saying, I understand, but you do not understand me and that is my fault.

I will try to explain in as few words as possible.

Jesus Christ is my LORD and my MASTER, with HIS blood I am bought and paid for.

I must do my Master’s will, what ever HE tells me to do, I must do.

He tells me to “follow HIM”, to do what He did and I do my best to do so -I am not yet perfect.

If He had told me to celebrate His birthday I would, but He has Not. And there is no record of Him doing so.

And I see no record of any disciples or Apostles celebrating birth days, in fact His date of birth has been in contention from day one. And I see no persons of God in the entire Word celebrating birthdays, neither will I.

I will worship my Master only in the way He has shown in His Word. My desire is to live by every WORD that came out of HIS mouth.

Not my will but His will.

The world lives by their own will.
 
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To everyone that posted on this blog



I see what everyone is saying, I understand, but you do not understand me and that is my fault.

I will try to explain in as few words as possible.

Jesus Christ is my LORD and my MASTER, with HIS blood I am bought and paid for.

I must do my Master’s will, what ever HE tells me to do, I must do.

He tells me to “follow HIM”, to do what He did and I do my best to do so -I am not yet perfect.

If He had told me to celebrate His birthday I would, but He has Not. And there is no record of Him doing so.

And I see no record of any disciples or Apostles celebrating birth days, in fact His date of birth has been in contention from day one. And I see no persons of God in the entire Word celebrating birthdays, neither will I.

I will worship my Master only in the way He has shown in His Word. My desire is to live by every WORD that came out of HIS mouth.

Not my will but His will.

The world lives by their own will.

Are you Jehovah's Witness?
 
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To everyone that posted on this blog



I see what everyone is saying, I understand, but you do not understand me and that is my fault.
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The world lives by their own will.
Luke 2

11 Today in the city of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord!
12 And this will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
13 And suddenly there appeared with the angel a great multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying:

14 “Glory to God in the highest,

and on earth peace to men

on whom His favor rests!”
They were celebrating the birth of the Lord even though Jesus did not explicitly tell them to do so. Of course, Of course, he was just a newborn, didn't know how to talk though. Perhaps he was shaking his little fists.
 
I was going to say the same thing about the toilets, but you beat me to it. Of course, it helps if one is potty-trained though.
Actually in the law of Moses he says that the army must bring a shovel with them so they can bury their poop and the law is explicit about how touching something unclean like poop makes you unclean, the Bible also talks about washing your hands before eating, and of course Jesus talked about poop going down the drain. So I have no idea what Bible you are talking about. The elements of sanitation are all in the Bible, just because it doesn't use the term for a modern manufactured item is irrelevant, the principle is there.
 
Actually in the law of Moses he says that the army must bring a shovel with them so they can bury their poop and the law is explicit about how touching something unclean like poop makes you unclean, the Bible also talks about washing your hands before eating, and of course Jesus talked about poop going down the drain. So I have no idea what Bible you are talking about. The elements of sanitation are all in the Bible, just because it doesn't use the term for a modern manufactured item is irrelevant, the principle is there.

No, where in the bible does it say to sit on a device if it clearly indicates you poop in a hole? What gives man the right for inventions to poop upon a throne and "flush" it? Did God want us to bury our poop or not? What you are suggesting is perverted.

What about astronauts? Should they drop their drawers and relieve themselves in the emptiness of space?

Where did God give you the right to use the internet?
It is a absurd argument to suggest the bible doesn't support the an idea or action because it is not mentioned.
 
And I see no record of any disciples or Apostles celebrating birth days, in fact His date of birth has been in contention from day one. And I see no persons of God in the entire Word celebrating birthdays, neither will I.

I will worship my Master only in the way He has shown in His Word. My desire is to live by every WORD that came out of HIS mouth.

Not my will but His will.

The world lives by their own will.

Christmas is not a "birthday." In the early Church Christians could not read, generally, much less afford a bible which would be handwritten and only for the rich, if even them. So, readings were assigned from the bible for specific dates and they coincided with nature (for the northern hemisphere). The narrative of the birth of Christ was read during Advent leading to December 25th, which was the winter solstice at the time. Thus, in the darkest of times, light entered the world.
 
Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

And yet it is the major event of the year for the 40,000 kinds of Christianity.

What does Santa Claus and Christmas trees have to do with the birth of our Savior?

And of course, let’s not leave out Rudolf the red noses reindeer.

If Jesus Christ did not observe or teach it, nor Christ’s 13 Apostles and is not in the New Testament.

Why do you?
Thank you for bringing this subject up. I realise that your intent is to promote your warped view of Christianity, but I appreciate the opportunity to respond.

First up, let me say that I did not and not promote the secular side of Christmas to my family. My kids were told that "Father Christmas" was a man dressed up. When I was a child, I looked forward to Christmas. Now I'm glad when it is over.

Christmas is one of the few occasions when the reality of the incarnation is presented to the world. The name of Jesus is glorified in Christmas carols. They are played in shopping centres and supermarkets, at least where I live.

It used to be the norm that kids would go to Sunday school. Even my atheist dad was ok with that. He wanted us to have the opportunity to decide for ourselves. That was OK until I did get born again. He was not at all happy about that.

It's no longer normal for kids to attend Sunday school and religious instruction is no longer a core part of education. They prefer to have transvestites telling kids that they can choose their gender and blame kids for being born white.

It's not much, but Christmas is something. Likewise Easter.

The birth of Christ is covered comprehensively in the NT by Luke and Matthew. It was prophesied in the OT. Every year in much of the world, Handel's Messiah is performed. This is the gospel in song in a way that no modern Christian music can match. And it's become reserved for Christmas. It should be performed all year round, but it's better than nothing.
 
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Thank you for bringing this subject up. I realise that your intent is to promote your warped view of Christianity, but I appreciate the opportunity to respond.

You spelt realize wrong.

Christmas is one of the few occasions when the reality of the incarnation is presented to the world. The name of Jesus is glorified in Christmas carols. They are played in shopping centres and supermarkets, at least where I live.[/quote]

It would be nice to make it simple and about the kids and not seeing how much garbage you can get them.

It's no longer normal for kids to attend Sunday school and religious instruction is no longer a core part of education. They prefer to have transvestites telling kids that they can choose their gender and blame kids for being born white.

It is called white privilege and you need to get WOKE. Hospital records indicate "Sex Assigned at Birth" because that is all it is. o_O
 
You spelt realize wrong.

Christmas is one of the few occasions when the reality of the incarnation is presented to the world. The name of Jesus is glorified in Christmas carols. They are played in shopping centres and supermarkets, at least where I live.

It would be nice to make it simple and about the kids and not seeing how much garbage you can get them.

It is called white privilege and you need to get WOKE. Hospital records indicate "Sex Assigned at Birth" because that is all it is. o_O[/QUOTE]
Rubbish. I speak real English, not the dialect spoken by Americans. You should realise that.

To hell with "woke" and I mean that literally. Sex is not assigned, it is acknowledged. I hope you are being sarcastic.
 
I celebrate Christmas too.

I know that Jesus wasn't born on December 25, but I celebrate His birth around this time of year.

As for X-mas, the "X" is the Greek letter Chi, the first letter of the Greek word for Christ. I used to be offended by "X-mas" until I learned that.
 
Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

And yet it is the major event of the year for the 40,000 kinds of Christianity.

What does Santa Claus and Christmas trees have to do with the birth of our Savior?

And of course, let’s not leave out Rudolf the red noses reindeer.

If Jesus Christ did not observe or teach it, nor Christ’s 13 Apostles and is not in the New Testament.

Why do you?
In Post 22 I made a case for Christmas not having come into being were it not for the word of God, and I would also add that Jesus is both Lord and King. So then there is no way for His church to be celebrating Christmas were it not allowed by Him. So then, why? Why would Jesus Christ allow the church to celebrate the birth of Jesus on a day which is clearly not His birthday? And why would He allow this holiday to be paired with a grotesque occultic celebration of grimy covetous materialism?

So then what does Christmas mean?

The word is Christ and Mas. Christ means Anointed one and Mas means gathering. So the name means the gathering of the anointed ones. The church means "gathering of the called out ones" and Christmas means "gathering of the ones anointed with the Spirit".

So Jesus has allowed His church to celebrate "the gathering of the anointed ones" which is a celebration of God becoming incarnated into man. The reason for Holy convocations in the Old Testament is that they were dress rehearsals for the real event. Passover was a dress rehearsal, feast of unleavened bread was a dress rehearsal, Shavuot was a dress rehearsal, etc. It is essential that Jesus be killed exactly as the Passover lamb at exactly the same day and time because it proves that God is God and He alone tells us the end from the beginning. God does it this way so there is no way to deny that Jesus Christ is the promised Messiah.

Now the one holiday all year that unbelievers associate with Christians is Christmas. So what could it be a dress rehearsal for?

I have been going through the entire Bible, every book and every verse to see what God has to say about the rapture and it is amazing, about 50% is about those raptured and 50% about those left behind.
 
It would be nice to make it simple and about the kids and not seeing how much garbage you can get them.

It is called white privilege and you need to get WOKE. Hospital records indicate "Sex Assigned at Birth" because that is all it is. o_O
Rubbish. I speak real English, not the dialect spoken by Americans. You should realise that.

To hell with "woke" and I mean that literally. Sex is not assigned, it is acknowledged. I hope you are being sarcastic.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you took care of this, I often use British spelling for words and am always fixing it to fit with American, but the arrogance and ignorance of some of these kids just reflects bad on all Americans.