“Christmas” is in a few days --- why do you observe it?

[memberofthebride]

Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

And yet it is the major event of the year for the 40,000 kinds of Christianity.

What does Santa Claus and Christmas trees have to do with the birth of our Savior?

And of course, let’s not leave out Rudolf the red noses reindeer.

If Jesus Christ did not observe or teach it, nor Christ’s 13 Apostles and is not in the New Testament.

Why do you?

 

[Mem]

Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

And yet it is the major event of the year for the 40,000 kinds of Christianity.

What does Santa Claus and Christmas trees have to do with the birth of our Savior?

And of course, let’s not leave out Rudolf the red noses reindeer.

If Jesus Christ did not observe or teach it, nor Christ’s 13 Apostles and is not in the New Testament.

Why do you?

Luke 2

11 Today in the city of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord!
12 And this will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
13 And suddenly there appeared with the angel a great multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying:

14 “Glory to God in the highest,

and on earth peace to men

on whom His favor rests!”

 

[memberofthebride]

Luke 2

11 Today in the city of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord!
12 And this will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
13 And suddenly there appeared with the angel a great multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying:

14 “Glory to God in the highest,

and on earth peace to men

on whom His favor rests!”

and this give the right to keep xmas??

 

[Mem]

and this give the right to keep xmas??

I consider it, a "freedom" afforded to us.

 

[memberofthebride]

I consider it, a "freedom" afforded to us.

Considering the words of Jesus Christ, I would not call it "freedom"

Christ says in many ways :The Many" are working iniquity which is lawlessness.
Since the majority of the 40,000 kinds of churches and their flocks keep Xmas, they have to be the Many.

there are not many that do not keep xmas, but choose to obey our Master.

I find none in the New Testament, following Christ, keeping xmas,

Matthew 7

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

And yet it is the major event of the year for the 40,000 kinds of Christianity.

What does Santa Claus and Christmas trees have to do with the birth of our Savior?

And of course, let’s not leave out Rudolf the red noses reindeer.

If Jesus Christ did not observe or teach it, nor Christ’s 13 Apostles and is not in the New Testament.

Why do you?

Not that you're here to listen to anyone but preach your own revelation, we have a thread where Christmas being pagan was debunked. Santa wasn't part of my Christmas as a child, I knew it was the birth of the Savior. Christmas trees symbolize Jesus being the light of the world. We also had a thread on Jesus celebrating Hanukkah. Most Christians wouldn't celebrate that holiday but Jesus did. Celebrate or don't, but Christmas is not a pagan holiday.

 

[memberofthebride]

Not that you're here to listen to anyone but preach your own revelation, we have a thread where Christmas being pagan was debunked. Santa wasn't part of my Christmas as a child, I knew it was the birth of the Savior. Christmas trees symbolize Jesus being the light of the world. We also had a thread on Jesus celebrating Hanukkah. Most Christians wouldn't celebrate that holiday but Jesus did. Celebrate or don't, but Christmas is not a pagan holiday.

WOW! show in God's word were it is taught or kept

 

[ZNP]

Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

And yet it is the major event of the year for the 40,000 kinds of Christianity.

What does Santa Claus and Christmas trees have to do with the birth of our Savior?

And of course, let’s not leave out Rudolf the red noses reindeer.

If Jesus Christ did not observe or teach it, nor Christ’s 13 Apostles and is not in the New Testament.

Why do you?

I don't

 

[Skittle]

Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Right. December 25th was likely chosen because it was the winter solstice. The shortest day of the year.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

It doesn't come from paganism. That is a claim people make out of ignorance.

What does Santa Claus and Christmas trees have to do with the birth of our Savior?

Santa Claus comes from Saint Nicholas, whose life was celebrated in December, so he got mixed into Christmas in some cultures.
This is about a culture's way of celebrating, nothing to do with Christmas. How it is celebrated in other countries is different.
The Christmas trees are likely from the plays around that time in churches, with an evergreen tree being 'decorated' with apples representing the tree of life.

And of course, let’s not leave out Rudolf the red noses reindeer.

That is yet again, a cultural thing.

If Jesus Christ did not observe or teach it, nor Christ’s 13 Apostles and is not in the New Testament.

Why do you?

The infancy narrative is found in two Gospels. Jesus was born and December 25 seemed a good date to remember.

 

[Skittle]

WOW! show in God's word were it is taught or kept

That is the lamest argument I hear Christians make. Nothing in the bible about toilets, yet I still use them.

 

[Skittle]

and this give the right to keep xmas??

I think the infancy narrative of the Gospel is a good reason.

 

[ZNP]

Luke 2

11 Today in the city of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord!
12 And this will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
13 And suddenly there appeared with the angel a great multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying:

14 “Glory to God in the highest,

and on earth peace to men

on whom His favor rests!”

I'm all for celebrating the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ, but that is not what he asked and your response is not addressing the first post.

He asked about Santa, flying reindeer, and Christmas trees. He also said that December 25th is an arbitrary date that makes no sense as the birth of Jesus (if Jesus was born on that day everyone in Israel would have been travelling around December 21, 22, 23 and 24th. These are the shortest days with the longest nights. Since few people had horses most people would have been travelling by foot or in a cart. A cart on a dirt road can be far worse than walking. That means the elderly, children, infants, pregnant women. What ruler is going to send them travelling all over the country in the dead of winter. 30-40 degrees F is typical in Israel, with the Golan heights experiencing freezing weather. It would have been an idiotic time to send everyone walking all over the country. Especially with so few daylight hours.

 

[memberofthebride]

Right. December 25th was likely chosen because it was the winter solstice. The shortest day of the year.



It doesn't come from paganism. That is a claim people make out of ignorance.



Santa Claus comes from Saint Nicholas, whose life was celebrated in December, so he got mixed into Christmas in some cultures.
This is about a culture's way of celebrating, nothing to do with Christmas. How it is celebrated in other countries is different.
The Christmas trees are likely from the plays around that time in churches, with an evergreen tree being 'decorated' with apples representing the tree of life.



That is yet again, a cultural thing.



The infancy narrative is found in two Gospels. Jesus was born and December 25 seemed a good date to remember.

Comment;
so you are in the "camp" that believes "I can worship God when and how I choose". You do not need to follow the example Christ gave us to follow?

and you do not believe you should DO the will of the Father, as Christ taught?

if "christ mass', it is catholic, can not be found in the Word of God, that does not mean its wrong?

good luck

 

[memberofthebride]

I think the infancy narrative of the Gospel is a good reason.

so you can worship how ever you please?? no need to follow Christ's example?

 

[Skittle]

so you can worship how ever you please?? no need to follow Christ's example?

His example in what? The events surrounding His birth are in the Gospel and they are celebrated.

 

[Skittle]

Comment;
so you are in the "camp" that believes "I can worship God when and how I choose". You do not need to follow the example Christ gave us to follow?

and you do not believe you should DO the will of the Father, as Christ taught?

How is celebrating the birth of Christ, FOUND IN SCRIPTURE, against God?

if "christ mass', it is catholic, can not be found in the Word of God, that does not mean its wrong?

Actually, since that is the English term, it was be related to the Anglican Mass.
"Cannot be found in scripture" is not a logical argument. That is the lamest argument people will use when they have some illogical dislike for any given thing.

 

[ZNP]

How is celebrating the birth of Christ, FOUND IN SCRIPTURE, against God?



Actually, since that is the English term, it was be related to the Anglican Mass.
"Cannot be found in scripture" is not a logical argument. That is the lamest argument people will use when they have some illogical dislike for any given thing.

How about reading the first post and responding to what he actually wrote. If you can't respond to Santa, Flying reindeer, Christmas trees and December 25th, all of which are not in the Bible, then your posts are simply a red herring and everyone will soon learn to ignore you and your posts.

 

[JohnDB]

Most ministers know Christ was not born on December 25, as do most Christians.

Most ministers know “Christmas” came from paganism. As do most Christians.

Nope....stop right there.

We do NOT know that. These things are YOUR personal beliefs that YOU hold due to people who think they know more but do not necessarily actually do. And God will hold you accountable for promoting these things as fact that is at best 3rd hand knowledge.
(Just a warning to be careful....it's not good to be held accountable by an angry God)

As far as why I celebrate?
Because I'm not an atheist.

The mythology surrounding Saint Nicholas is of course nonsense but the sentiment is good.

And there is literally no one above the age of 9 years old that truly believes in Santa.

So....who you preaching at?
Are you trying to obtain disciples to follow you? (Goats do this when mixed with sheep)

 

[ZNP]

The mythology surrounding Saint Nicholas is of course nonsense but the sentiment is good.

And there is literally no one above the age of 9 years old that truly believes in Santa.

So....who you preaching at?

I preach the gospel to pretty much anyone over the age of 9 and frequently the argument I heard was that the Bible is mythology, and the reason many actually thought that was because they actually thought that Santa Claus and flying reindeer was in the Bible. Now the first time I heard that my jaw dropped, I couldn't believe it. But I heard it again, and again, and again. So it makes sense, some people only go to church on Christmas and Easter, they don't know what is in the Bible, but they do know that "Christmas" is a "Christian" holiday and they watch all the Christmas stories (with the good sentiment).

So the question is not does anyone over 9 believe that Santa is real, the real question is whether or not Christians celebrating Christmas has caused many people to turn away from the Lord Jesus.

How many kids were lied to by their parents concerning Santa, and these same parents were the ones who brought them to church at Christmas.

Satan is a liar, and it is reasonable that his holiday would be based on a lie. In my personal experience that lie has caused many people to think the gospel stories are myths.

 

[NightTwister]

And yet it is the major event of the year for the 40,000 kinds of Christianity.

I see you're still peddling that 40K lie.