Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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sawdust said:
If you understood the problem you would have known what I was saying.
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in the context of me saying unsaved, was meant there being saved waiting living in his living hope causes by his living fear in them , whilst waiting to filled with the spirit
 
GWH said:
"Will" being the key word, because it implies moral responsibility, whereas saying natural man "cannot" seek Christ implies innocence by reason of insanity or else blaming God for "unabling" instead of enabling them.
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No one says God unables anyone. Why do you lie?
 
cv5 said:
No it doesn't. You see, since God shows no partiality, those who do well gain favor and blessings. Those who do evil get judgement and cursing.

God's will, rather than being thwarted, is in fact fulfilled....God choosing to manifest His will in the former group, the faithful and believing.
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Biblical partiality simply means that God makes to distinction among men in terms of race/ethnicity. I proved this from the Cornelius account.

If you think "partiality" means more than this, then you need to explain what the basis would be for such partiality, since it cannot be sin as the entire world is filled with sinners -- no exceptions. So...get busy and work on that... :rolleyes:
 
BillyBob said:
It is my thought that both the potential and possibility to be of service to God is available to all men, they are not required to be the Elect of God.

Example:
  • There is a man Joe who absolutely has no desire for God.
  • He sees several Christians who are unable to attend church due to physical disabilities.
  • He decides to pick them up each Sunday, take them to church, then come back after the service and return them home safely.
  • Joe is working for the Lord, even though he is unaware of this fact!
  • What is Joe's standing before God?
Can God cause a non-believer to perform His work?
Must the non-believer be willing?
God directs the steps of all men!
Are there examples in scripture which show God's power to use whoever He wishes to accomplish His desire?
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Absolutely there are, which again proves that man's ways are NOT in himself!
 
reneweddaybyday said:
reneweddaybyday said:
Did you read what was written, Rufus? ... I'll bold the part you seem to have overlooked ...​
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you are purposefully misconstruing what was stated ... I said God's glory in creation is one of the ways God draws mankind to Himself.​
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Creation is not the only way God draws mankind.​
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The written Word is another way ... God sending faithful believers to speak the truth is another way ... and first and foremost is God sending His Son ... For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16) ... And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).​
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talk about argumentative ... sheesh ...​


Holy Spirit is not God ? ... who knew ???

fyi ... according to the Lord Jesus Christ:

John 16:7-11

7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

When God (excuse me, the Holy Spirit) sends His faithful believers into the world to speak His Word ... is that not the Holy Spirit reproving the world? ...

vs 9 – of sin ... calling people to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ;

vs 10 – of righteousness ... preaching the death, resurrection, and ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven;

vs 11 – of judgment ... proclaiming the Lord Jesus Christ and His having completely overcome the wicked one (the prince of this world) and the escape to the liberty found only in Him.





blame-shifting due to your inability to refute the central point.


btw ... you never provided your definition of "FWer" or "freewiller":

You FWers are very quick and very consistent in giving the Spirit of Truth and Life very short shrift.​

Please define "FWer" or "freewiller". All of the definitions of "FWer" or "freewiller" provided thus far do not apply to me.​

so please define "FWer" / "freewiller" so when you use the term, whoever you are referring to knows what you mean. Otherwise, it's just a meaningless term with no significance to anyone except you.

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But more specifically and accurately it's through the ministry of the Third Person of the Godhead who subjectively applies grace to the souls of God's selectively. Jesus didn't say that the Helper who was to come would after His departure would be God. :rolleyes:
 
Magenta said:
He's a liar. We should pray he tires of it soon. Recently he lied to me about being allowed to break the rules.

Mod finally caught up to him and gave him a warning after he broke the rules at least two hundred times. Link
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yep he insinuates quite a lot and then back tracks on what he really meant,
 
Rufus said:
Biblical partiality simply means that God makes to distinction among men in terms of race/ethnicity. I proved this from the Cornelius account.

If you think "partiality" means more than this, then you need to explain what the basis would be for such partiality, since it cannot be sin as the entire world is filled with sinners -- no exceptions. So...get busy and work on that... :rolleyes:
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Already been thoroughly explained. And you are definitely wrong. Sorry fake sorry.
 
Magenta said:
He's a liar. We should pray he tires of it soon. Recently he lied to me about being allowed to break the rules.

Mod finally caught up to him and gave him a warning after he broke the rules at least two hundred times. Link
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Yes, the TULIP cult got a kick out of that.
 
Rufus said:
But more specifically and accurately it's through the ministry of the Third Person of the Godhead who subjectively applies grace to the souls of God's selectively. Jesus didn't say that the Helper who was to come would after His departure would be God. :rolleyes:
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what are you talking about ???

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

how many Holy Spirits are there in your world ???

Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.



and again, please provide your definition of "FWer" or "freewiller" ... third time asking:

btw ... you never provided your definition of "FWer" or "freewiller":​
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You FWers are very quick and very consistent in giving the Spirit of Truth and Life very short shrift.​
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Please define "FWer" or "freewiller". All of the definitions of "FWer" or "freewiller" provided thus far do not apply to me.​
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so please define "FWer" / "freewiller" so when you use the term, whoever you are referring to knows what you mean. Otherwise, it's just a meaningless term with no significance to anyone except you.​

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reneweddaybyday said:
what are you talking about ???

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

how many Holy Spirits are there in your world ???

Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.



and again, please provide your definition of "FWer" or "freewiller" ... third time asking:

btw ... you never provided your definition of "FWer" or "freewiller":​
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You FWers are very quick and very consistent in giving the Spirit of Truth and Life very short shrift.​
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Please define "FWer" or "freewiller". All of the definitions of "FWer" or "freewiller" provided thus far do not apply to me.​
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so please define "FWer" / "freewiller" so when you use the term, whoever you are referring to knows what you mean. Otherwise, it's just a meaningless term with no significance to anyone except you.​

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as I understand the argument put forward by free will, free has the capacity to choose whether to be saved,

Or freewill has the ability to make a conscious decision to choose between good and evil, where a person can either follow Gods path or there own path, which really says it must be a silly free will if it can simply choose to follow it's own path

But I believe the more well learnt appropriate understanding is mans will needs guidance first 🙂

That's basically my understanding
 
Jordon said:
as I understand the argument put forward by free will, free has the capacity to choose whether to be saved,

Or freewill has the ability to make a conscious decision to choose between good and evil, where a person can either follow Gods path or there own path, which really says it must be a silly free will if it can simply choose to follow it's own path

But I believe the more well learnt appropriate understanding is mans will needs guidance first 🙂

That's basically my understanding
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Then you might want to go back and reread what has been said. There is no salvation apart from grace and truth.
 
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