Charlie Kirk - so what now ?

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So how did they get the English translation in the link you shared? Hebrew isn't a dead language. Nazis and other Antisemites have mistranslated the Talmud on purpose. The same as atheists have done to the Bible.
My point is that you and others will claim that any translation is a mistranslation.
 
My point is that you and others will claim that any translation is a mistranslation.

I didn't claim anything. People say the same thing about the Bible and the Quran. I went through every single verse there. But again, there was no way you were going to agree and say the link was wrong, which it is. Easily debunked.
 
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Never said ZNP started the thread; and the idea that someone could gaslight someone into thinking they started the thread is pretty ridiculous when anyone can see the OP- which, again, addresses questions to Americans (like ZNP), and not to you, a Canadian.

You said that those who find the constant barrage of videos were distracting from the topic. Obviously, Candace videos and conspiracy crap were NOT the OP. I don't give a care if you disagree; you are obviously enjoying being brainwashed, but you better
cut out the Canadian insults.
 
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Why some people are willing to believe conspiracy theories



Read the journal article
Washington — People can be prone to believe in conspiracy theories due to a combination of personality traits and motivations, including relying strongly on their intuition, feeling a sense of antagonism and superiority toward others, and perceiving threats in their environment, according to research published by the American Psychological Association.

The results of the study paint a nuanced picture of what drives conspiracy theorists, according to lead author Shauna Bowes, a doctoral student in clinical psychology at Emory University.

“Conspiracy theorists are not all likely to be simple-minded, mentally unwell folks—a portrait which is routinely painted in popular culture,” said Bowes. “Instead, many turn to conspiracy theories to fulfill deprived motivational needs and make sense of distress and impairment.”
The research was published online in the journal Psychological Bulletin.


To do so, the researchers analyzed data from 170 studies involving over 158,000 participants, mainly from the United States, the United Kingdom and Poland. They focused on studies that measured participants’ motivations or personality traits associated with conspiratorial thinking.

The researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to others.
 
Start with “pre-bunking”
The best way to avoid the conspiracy theory vortex is, of course, not to set foot in there in the first place. That’s the idea behind “pre-bunking,” an approach to dealing with conspiracies that works a lot like vaccination (the irony) against disease. By getting “inoculated” with knowledge about how conspiracy theories work, we become better prepared to spot the real thing when we come across it.

The concept stems from work in the 1960s by the social psychologist William McGuire, who was looking for ways to protect US soldiers from being indoctrinated by enemies. He came up with the idea of a “vaccine for brainwash.”
“Conspiracy theorists tend to negatively react to debunking and fact-checking … they become more aggressive and sort of double down in their beliefs,” says van der Linden. “But with the pre-bunking approach, they seem to be open to entertaining it.”
One of the most effective means of pre-bunking is to refrain from arguing about the facts of the matter and, instead, simply show people how they might be manipulated.

The idea is to help people understand what rhetorical techniques have been used on them. It gives them the chance to think about how they might have been tricked. Maybe they fell for emotional storytelling (using emotional cues to reduce someone’s inclination to critically assess the core claims) or false dichotomies (making it appear there are only two sides to a topic, and you have to choose one). “One of the things we found is that conspiracy theorists hate manipulation, and they hate the idea of being manipulated,” van der Linden says. source
 
Why some people are willing to believe conspiracy theories



Read the journal article
Washington — People can be prone to believe in conspiracy theories due to a combination of personality traits and motivations, including relying strongly on their intuition, feeling a sense of antagonism and superiority toward others, and perceiving threats in their environment, according to research published by the American Psychological Association.

The results of the study paint a nuanced picture of what drives conspiracy theorists, according to lead author Shauna Bowes, a doctoral student in clinical psychology at Emory University.

“Conspiracy theorists are not all likely to be simple-minded, mentally unwell folks—a portrait which is routinely painted in popular culture,” said Bowes. “Instead, many turn to conspiracy theories to fulfill deprived motivational needs and make sense of distress and impairment.”
The research was published online in the journal Psychological Bulletin.


To do so, the researchers analyzed data from 170 studies involving over 158,000 participants, mainly from the United States, the United Kingdom and Poland. They focused on studies that measured participants’ motivations or personality traits associated with conspiratorial thinking.

The researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to others.

Right and that's the problem here and many of these other controversial threads. When you refuse to accept facts no other discussion can be had. Well then they figure that they have won the discussion. Based on what I don't know. Feelings I guess. When you refuse to accept facts then you can believe in unicorns, leprechauns, transgenders and men can get pregnant. Unless facts matter, which they do. That's why ignoring facts is dangerous. But they will not listen because the facts don't line up with their feelings and biased ideas.
 
Verifiable facts VS. Feelings, gossip, rumor, speculation, theories, and slander.

To me, that's what is really at the heart of this whole issue. So many of us have explained over and over that we require actual evidence and facts before drawing conclusions. It doesn't mean we're paid shills, it doesn't mean we blindly believe the government and various agencies, it doesn't mean we don't question narratives, it doesn't mean we don't research for ourselves.

Most of this usurped thread has been one long arrogant tantrum against anyone who dared to question CO or failed to bow down to znp's alleged "superior knowledge", which is ironic since we've been accused of not thinking for ourselves, right? Hilarious.

For me this issue remains the same: Bring verifiable facts and evidence. If you can't do that, prepare to be rejected. Feelings, rumors, speculation, and theories are not evidence in an assassination case and should be rejected as such.
 
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Tucker Expertly DESTROYS Ben Shapiro At TPUSA AMFEST!

Why does Ben Shapiro care about CO's investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassination?

Also, since when did Ben Shapiro become friends with TPUSA? I'm pretty sure this is the first time he was ever invited to speak at Amfest.

Ben Shapiro says there is only one moral side here, Erika Kirk's side. What does that mean? Is she the only one who gets to care about Charlie Kirk's assassination? Charlies Mom and Dad don't have a side, Charlie's sister doesn't have a side? Charlie's kids don't have a side? Why is it that Charlie's friends don't have a side?

Can anyone imagine how stupid Ben Shapiro must sound to a homicide detective? Someone assassinated the woman's husband who as a result inherits over ten million (I understand that the life insurance policy for Charlie was 8 figures) and takes over a very powerful organization. Therefore you cannot ask her questions or people in the organization because there is only one side to this assassination, her side. In a situation like this the wife and business partners will immediately go to the top of the list of people the police will want to talk to.

Tucker points out how hilarious it is that the opening speech at a Charlie Kirk event is about deplatforming and denouncing someone who thinks differently from you. (Like I said I think this is the first time Ben Shapiro ever spoke at this event). He sums up Ben Shapiro's entire speech into this: "Why haven't you denounced Candace Owens!" Anyone familiar with Charlie Kirk's ministry will realize how upside down this is that at the very first Amfest meeting since his assassination this would be the opening speech. He then points out how the only reason Tucker is able to speak at this event was because Charlie stood strong prior to the assassination despite withering attack on Tucker by many of the TPUSA sponsors.
 
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I know Candace Owens is accused of being an antisemite because she said that "Genocide is wrong no matter which country is doing it".

I am willing to stipulate that she was directing this to the conflict between Israel and Hamas, and I am willing to stipulate that Israel has done far more than other countries have to minimize collateral damage. After all, why is Israel trying to minimize collateral damage, isn't it because they also agree that genocide is wrong? Why is Ben Shapiro so upset at that tweet, isn't it because he knows the whole world agrees that Genocide is wrong? So he goes ballistic over a tweet that he agrees with and Israel agrees with and infers that her tweet is antisemitic. That to me is the offensive part.

For example, if I said that "Domestic abuse is wrong" and then some woman goes ballistic and accuses me of insulting her husband, it wasn't me that insulted him, it was her.

Yes, I know there was a PR war to blame Israel. Hamas used civilians as human shields and the prevented civilians from fleeing. They perpetrated a heinous crime on Israel in hopes of them being able to accuse Israel of heinous crimes when they retaliated. I know that, Israel knows that, and the world knows that. So that should have been the focus of what the PR battle should have been over, trying to educate the public. Instead ostracizing and censoring someone who says what everyone agrees with, that only makes it look like Israel is trying to hide and cover up what they are doing.
 
Right and that's the problem here and many of these other controversial threads. When you refuse to accept facts no other discussion can be had. Well then they figure that they have won the discussion. Based on what I don't know. Feelings I guess. When you refuse to accept facts then you can believe in unicorns, leprechauns, transgenders and men can get pregnant. Unless facts matter, which they do. That's why ignoring facts is dangerous. But they will not listen because the facts don't line up with their feelings and biased ideas.

Right. And don't forget that those who believe conspiracies, often feel superior to others because they imagine they are in some sort of special group. That, is based on the research I posted.

The same applies to those in the BDF who either ignore all scripture that totally disagrees with what they post.
 
Most of this usurped thread has been one long arrogant tantrum against anyone who dared to question CO or failed to bow down to znp's alleged "superior knowledge", which is ironic since we've been accused of not thinking for ourselves, right? Hilarious.

It's the land of make believe. As can be seen, just about nothing can jolt those caught up in such things into reality. Someone whose name I won't mention, never apologizes when the conspiracy is proven to be false. Another conspiracy immediately follows. No joke.
 
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Tune out the hate and let’s turn up the light.

Last week, Piers Morgan, whose show has over 4 million subscribers on Youtube, hosted virulent and unapologetic antisemite Candace Owens. Seething with hate for the Jewish state and the Jewish people, Candace opened by calling Israel a terrorist state and falsely accusing Israel of perpetrating a genocide and a holocaust by indiscriminately and intentionally murdering innocent children in Gaza. She described AIPAC as owning American policy and claimed that American soldiers have died and will continue to die for Israel.
“I would say as an American that if we're going to get behind a regime change it should be in Israel first… I think [that would be] the position of a lot of people who are waking up to the fact that Zionism has brought us nothing but grief in America. Can you name one positive thing that Zionists have contributed to America?”

At the conclusion of the interview, Piers closed by saying, “Candice, always good to have your views on Uncensored. You know that I appreciate you coming on. Thank you.”

Good to have your views? Would it be good to have the views of a white supremacist, a member of ISIS, a blatant racist, or anyone else filled with hate for a particular people and lies about an entire nation?


Someone shared this clip with me and I only watched a few moments, but it was enough to make me want to jump through the screen, correct the lies, and set the record straight to both the antisemitic guest and the host who has sold his soul for views by platforming such heinous individuals. Hearing them even for such a brief period of time, and then catching that conclusion about it being “good” to have her views, made my blood pressure rise, my pulse quicken, and my stomach turn.
 
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Why does Ben Shapiro care about CO's investigation into Charlie Kirk's assassination?

CO isn't doing an "investigation." She's not a professional investigator. No one is going to ask her about her conspiracy theories at the trial. She needs to take her tin foil hat and go home.



Also, since when did Ben Shapiro become friends with TPUSA? I'm pretty sure this is the first time he was ever invited to speak at Amfest.

Oh boy here I come with reality and that nasty F-word, facts!

Ben Shapiro has been a friend of Charlie Kirk and involved with Turning Point USA (TPUSA) for a long time, and has spoken at the organization's events, including AmericaFest, on multiple occasions before 2025.

Ben Shapiro and TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk were friends for over a decade. In a 2025 Facebook video, Kirk mentioned that he had known Shapiro for many years, even before the Daily Wire was founded.

Charlie Kirk also mentioned that Shapiro had spoken at other TPUSA events, such as one in Palm Beach at the end of a previous year.


Can anyone imagine how stupid Ben Shapiro must sound to a homicide detective? Someone assassinated the woman's husband who as a result inherits over ten million (I understand that the life insurance policy for Charlie was 8 figures) and takes over a very powerful organization. Therefore you cannot ask her questions or people in the organization because there is only one side to this assassination, her side. In a situation like this the wife and business partners will immediately go to the top of the list of people the police will want to talk to.

Knock it off !! This is what Ben was meaning when he was talking about moral sides. Ericka is not under investigation for the murder of her husband nor was she even a suspect.

"Recent reports confirm that the Treasury Department took the rare step of issuing a letter to Ericka Kirk explicitly stating that neither she nor the organizations she leads are under investigation by the IRS. This move was intended to dispel unfounded conspiracy theories and fraud allegations that have circulated online".



Tucker points out how hilarious it is that the opening speech at a Charlie Kirk event is about deplatforming and denouncing someone who thinks differently from you.

Yeah well I listen to it and that is not what he said or what anyone here is saying.



(Like I said I think this is the first time Ben Shapiro ever spoke at this event).

You'd be wrong, I posted the answer up above.

He sums up Ben Shapiro's entire speech into this: "Why haven't you denounced Candace Owens!" Anyone familiar with Charlie Kirk's ministry will realize how upside down this is that at the very first Amfest meeting since his assassination this would be the opening speech. He then points out how the only reason Tucker is able to speak at this event was because Charlie stood strong prior to the assassination despite withering attack on Tucker by many of the TPUSA sponsors.

I think if Charlie could be brought back to life and see how his friends, so called, have treated his widow and children he might not be so friendly with certain people. If he cared about his wife and children like he seemed to he would be livid with CO for sure. She is nothing but a loud mouth grifter, with friends like her, seriously, who needs enemies.
 
The Top Reasons Candace Owens Is Antisemite of the Year

Just in time for 2025, the group StopAntisemitism has named Candace Owens as Antisemite of the Year. They stated that this title is, “A distinct dishonor is reserved for the most bigoted and hateful individual who is crowned the “Antisemite of the Year.”

Candace, a far-right media commentator who previously worked for Turning Point USA, PragerU, and The Daily Wire – where she lost her position following antisemitic remarks –made several hateful comments towards the Jewish community in 2024. With her “dishonor” title, she joins the ranks of previous Antisemites of the Year including Rashida Tlaib (2023), Kanye West (2022), and Ilhan Omar (2019).

Many have been left baffled as to why Candace made this sudden turn, which started after Oct. 7 and the subsequent war in Israel and the Middle East. In the past, she had stated that Hitler “wanted to make Germany great and have things run well,” and she stood by her friend Kanye West following his bout with antisemitism. But following Oct. 7, she started taking talking points from the far left, inferring that Israel was committing genocide in Gaza. “No government anywhere has a right to commit a genocide, ever,” she posted on X. “There is no justification for a genocide.”

Candace often says she is just asking questions and trying to seek the truth, as if she doesn’t know anything – but people aren’t buying it.
 
Facts are truth. Truth matters.
It's the land of make believe. As can be seen, just about nothing can jolt those caught up in such things into reality. Someone whose name I won't mention, never apologizes when the conspiracy is proven to be false. Another conspiracy immediately follows. No joke.

It's seriously unfortunate, especially when people who are sticking with facts - as they should - are demonized. Facts are truth, and truth matters. I understand questioning everything - I do it all the time. Testing the spirits for truth is a Biblical command and I applaud anyone who does it. Running ahead with theories, gossip, and slander with no evidence is the exact opposite of seeking truth. It's absurd.
 
Following are some (just some) of the things that Candace has obsessed over, claiming guilty in each case even when both historical documents and physical evidence prove otherwise. Candace seem hellbent on becoming #1 source for all things hateful and conspiratorical

She Made False Statements About the Murder of Leo Frank
Leo Frank, a Jewish businessman, was falsely convicted in the murder of Mary Phagan, a 13-year-old, in 1913. He was then lynched, and in the wake of this, the Anti-Defamation League was founded. Though Frank was pardoned in 1986, and history shows his innocence, Candace became obsessed with the case and has tried to prove that Leo Frank was indeed guilty. She said that he was given an order to murder Mary Phagan, a Christian child, on Passover – which is an old antisemitic conspiracy theory.

She Claims Israel Was Founded by Child Abusers
The state of Israel was founded after the Holocaust, when Jews needed a place for safe refuge. Israel was chosen because the Jews have always lived there – it’s their homeland. But according to Candace, the state of Israel was founded by “Frankists,” a cult group of Jews who are pedophiles. She said that Israel exists to shield these child abusers.

She Spread Lies About Israel’s Muslim Quarters
In an interview on her podcast with Jewish comedian Ami Kozak, Candace said that she visited Israel and saw that Muslims in Jerusalem were only allowed to live in the “Muslim Quarter.”

“I grew up in my grandparents’ house, my grandfather grew up in a segregated South, and so when I’m walking through Jerusalem, and you see, and they say, ‘These are the Muslim quarters, this is where the Muslims are allowed to live,’ that doesn’t feel like a bastion of freedom to me,” she said.

Ami retorted, saying that Israeli Arab citizens have full rights and can live where they want, just like all citizens of Israel. “There’s an Armenian Quarter,” he said. “It’s not saying the Armenians can only live here.”


I pray she is shut down and I pray others join and understand that she is influenced by dark forces, also known as evil spirits
 
CO isn't doing an "investigation." She's not a professional investigator. No one is going to ask her about her conspiracy theories at the trial. She needs to take her tin foil hat and go home.

Pray. I certainly am. She is darkness and I don't mean her skin color.
 
Facts are truth. Truth matters.


It's seriously unfortunate, especially when people who are sticking with facts - as they should - are demonized. Facts are truth, and truth matters. I understand questioning everything - I do it all the time. Testing the spirits for truth is a Biblical command and I applaud anyone who does it. Running ahead with theories, gossip, and slander with no evidence is the exact opposite of seeking truth. It's absurd.

Totally. We are to test the spirits and I do not believe Candace is operating with either good intentions or any sort of care whether or not what she is doing harms others. Always another indication of someone who is both narcissistic and has bad motives.
 
But wait! There is so much more she has said about Jews and other pet conspiracies she has going.

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The Top Reasons Candace Owens Is Antisemite of the Year

Just in time for 2025, the group StopAntisemitism has named Candace Owens as Antisemite of the Year. They stated that this title is, “A distinct dishonor is reserved for the most bigoted and hateful individual who is crowned the “Antisemite of the Year.”

Candace, a far-right media commentator who previously worked for Turning Point USA, PragerU, and The Daily Wire – where she lost her position following antisemitic remarks –made several hateful comments towards the Jewish community in 2024. With her “dishonor” title, she joins the ranks of previous Antisemites of the Year including Rashida Tlaib (2023), Kanye West (2022), and Ilhan Omar (2019).

Many have been left baffled as to why Candace made this sudden turn, which started after Oct. 7 and the subsequent war in Israel and the Middle East. In the past, she had stated that Hitler “wanted to make Germany great and have things run well,” and she stood by her friend Kanye West following his bout with antisemitism. But following Oct. 7, she started taking talking points from the far left, inferring that Israel was committing genocide in Gaza. “No government anywhere has a right to commit a genocide, ever,” she posted on X. “There is no justification for a genocide.”

Candace often says she is just asking questions and trying to seek the truth, as if she doesn’t know anything – but people aren’t buying it.


The problem is she'll wear this like a badge and all her kooky followers will love her all the more. smh
 
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