Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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sawdust said:
So we don't have to believe He died for us and rose from the dead? How does receiving His work translate into us doing it?
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Not in order to become saved. Belief comes after salvation, not before. Salvation is freely given to those
whom the Father chose for it. That's the point of Luke 1:77 - we're saved, and from that given knowledge/edified about salvation.
You didn't understand that verse?

This might clarify:
[Luk 1:79 KJV] 79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and [in] the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
 
LifelongLearner said:
Many have probably realised i don't think we can exercise free will, even think it's impossible for us to. Won't explain why i think it's an impossiblility for us yet, think it's useful for some to express why they think it exists first.

I have no doubt we have and can make choices throughout life, however, think our options are far more restricted than most realise. What do you think?
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Hi, I'm new. I think God chooses us before we are conceived. We who are chosen come to the voice of the Shepard. Once we are conscious of His call, we are free. How? We no longer are under Satan. We are no longer born of Adam, but of Christ.
 
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rogerg said:
Wrong, God unilaterally gives the new heart - man is only its recipient.

[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
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That verse was not written to the church.
That is about the new covenant God will establish with the New Israel for during the Millennium.
 
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rogerg said:
So, you read 15 translations? Okay, which one do you think the best one regarding that verse
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No, I read all the translations to get the best idea of what the verse is trying to say to us. I don't think any is "best". They are what they are. I would have to study Greek for ten or more years before I was even remotely confident to say which one is best.
 
rogerg said:
Not in order to become saved. Belief comes after salvation, not before. Salvation is freely given to those
whom the Father chose for it. That's the point of Luke 1:77 - we're saved, and from that given knowledge/edified about salvation.
You didn't understand that verse?

This might clarify:
[Luk 1:79 KJV] 79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and [in] the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
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Then it should read "give light to the chosen who sit in darkness" as everyone of us sits in darkness. One might be inclined to become a universalist if they read it as automatic salvation to those in the dark and the shadow of death. :unsure:

You really need to look at it in the Greek as it says nothing about edification. It is simply knowledge (gnosis), what we term colloquially as "head knowledge, not heart knowledge".

Lots of people have the knowledge Christ died for our sin but they don't believe it.
 
sawdust said:
No, I read all the translations to get the best idea of what the verse is trying to say to us. I don't think any is "best". They are what they are. I would have to study Greek for ten or more years before I was even remotely confident to say which one is best.
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Do you think someone has to study Greek to come to a proper understanding of the scriptures?
 
sawdust said:
We're all born lost, why do you think we need a Saviour!

Strewth, the weird things that are said!
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Like Muslims will try to behead you if you speak truth exposing the evils of Muhammed?
These ones also must cut you off... lest they find themselves having to question what they are stubbornly dogmatic about.

Mind closed!
Case closed!
No thinking allowed!
Lest his crown falls to the floor!
 
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Rozelle said:
Hi, I'm new. I think God chooses us before we are conceived. We who are chosen come to the voice of the Shepard. Once we are conscious of His call, we are free. How? We no longer are under Satan. We are no longer born of Adam, but of Christ.
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Unbiblical. The NT marriage proposal and "arrabon", Passover Lamb typeology, Sinai covenant, faith of Abraham and EVERYTHING else in the Bible speaks against Calvinism.

I think hard core super-determinism is synthetic dogma birthed by the willfully ignorant.
 
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