Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[rogerg]

So there was certainly action by someone.

Our actions would have never seen the resurrection. Now we can believe He died on our behalf and rose form the dead and be saved.

That's absurd. Jesus is the Savior, it is by/because of what He did/achieved that no one who became saved needed to do anything else. His sacrifice satisfied the Father's requirements, man's actions don't

 

[sawdust]

What's clear is you keep insisting on inserting Jesus when mortal humanity (aside from Christ) is the only thing in view.

Thankyou for the clarification. Maybe words are important to me and I believe they need to be as accurate as we can make them and not simply vague generalities.

 

[sawdust]

That's absurd. Jesus is the Savior, it is by/because of what He did/achieved that no one who became saved needed to do anything else. His sacrifice satisfied the Father's requirements, man's actions don't

What's absurd? That Jesus acted on our behalf or that if we tried paying the penalty we would never be raised from the dead?

 

[rogerg]

I look at most of them to get the best idea of what is being said. I also have a program on my pc that shows it in the Greek and if that isn't clear enough, I go to BibleHub and look at the Greek translation there. I also have my pastors own translation to compare it to but he doesn't always comment on every verse.

Give me your primary one

 

[sawdust]

Give me your primary one

I don't have a primary one for study. I read the NKJV, but study is never limited to one version.

 

[Magenta]

Thankyou for the clarification. Maybe words are important to me and I believe they need to be as accurate as we can make them and not simply vague generalities.

You look for fault when there is none. That in itself is a fault.

You're a nit picker. That is an accurate word for you.

Nit picking hair splitter you.

More accuracy for you...

 

[rogerg]

I don't have a primary one for study. I read the NKJV, but study is never limited to one version.

Doesn't say privileged. Which one did you take the "privileged" from?

 

[rogerg]

What's absurd? That Jesus acted on our behalf or that if we tried paying the penalty we would never be raised from the dead?

Absurd because you're placing Jesus's work for salvation with the man's receipt of salvation. I guess that's what you're doing. Actually, your reply in the context of the discussion, doesn't really make sense to me

My statement "It was by the cross that sins have been forgiven for those chosen for salvation apart from their actions or works. "

Your reply "Sins are forgiven apart form anyone's actions???? What do you think Christ did on that Cross? "

 

[sawdust]

You look for fault when there is none. That in itself is a fault.

You're a nit picker. That is an accurate word for you.

Nit picking hair splitter you.

More accuracy for you...

Talk about projection.

I make a statement that I consider words important and you see that as finding fault in you? Get your head out of your navel. You're not that important.

 

[Genez]

False you just made this up

That was easy for you.
And as long as it is easy to say (and not have to back up)...
And easy to get stubborn about it?

GO FOR IT!

Just make sure you get home before the street lights come on.

 

[cv5]

lol not by that reply. Salvation occurs first - we know that because sins are forgiven apart from anyone's actions. All that remains then is to edify those saved. It's really quite clear from the verse.

The OT books of the law are replete with a vast compendium of "actions" absolutely required for the forgiveness of sins, all of them typological.

If you do NOT CHOOSE to willfully participate in the Passover and literally eat the Lamb, you do NOT get a "pass".

So it is for every Christian there ever was or will be.

Your statements to the contrary are..... outrageous. The Calvinists have plummeted to a even lower low of ignorance and biblical illiteracy.

 

[cv5]

That was easy for you.
And as long as it is easy to say (and not have to back up)...
And easy to get stubborn about it?

GO FOR IT!

Just make sure you get home before the street lights come on.

Six words without punctuation. That's the standard of exigetical brilliance we have come to expect from the Calvinist "trailer park boys" .....

 

[sawdust]

Doesn't say privileged. Which one did you take the "privileged" from?

That link should be a list of all the different versions of Phil.1:29

AMP AMPC CEB GW GNT ISV PHILLIPS TLB NOG NMB NRSVA NRSVACE NRSVCE NRSVUE VOICE all use privilege.
EXB NCV uses honour

Most of the rest simply say "it" referring to the privilege or honour.

 

[Genez]

It was by the cross that sins have been forgiven for those chosen for salvation apart from their actions or works.

Right.. left.. right!
Left... right... left!

Halt!!!

Forwarddddd! ... MARCH!!!


....Remember that song?

.............................. "The TULIP Shuffle."

 

[sawdust]

Six words without punctuation. That's the standard of exigetical brilliance we have come to expect from the Calvinist "trailer park boys" .....

That's a little unfair. Most here have been a little more "wordy" and given scripture (laying aside interpretation) but brightfame52 does have a solid reputation of simply saying "your wrong" in six words or less.

 

[rogerg]

That link should be a list of all the different versions of Phil.1:29

AMP AMPC CEB GW GNT ISV PHILLIPS TLB NOG NMB NRSVA NRSVACE NRSVCE NRSVUE VOICE all use privilege.
EXB NCV uses honour

Most of the rest simply say "it" referring to the privilege or honour.

Are you being evasive? Which specific version did you take the "privileged" from?

 

[sawdust]

Absurd because you're placing Jesus's work for salvation with the man's receipt of salvation. I guess that's what you're doing. Actually, your reply in the context of the discussion, doesn't really make sense to me

My statement "It was by the cross that sins have been forgiven for those chosen for salvation apart from their actions or works. "

Your reply "Sins are forgiven apart form anyone's actions???? What do you think Christ did on that Cross? "

So we don't have to believe He died for us and rose from the dead? How does receiving His work translate into us doing it?

 

[Genez]

You look for fault when there is none. .

And, you hide (deny) from fault even when its glaring right at all of us.

(Do I hear a nifty country guitar playing?)

We have a little tattoo.​

A horse turned unicorn with a bit of glue.​

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What else can you do?​

When it is plainly in our view?​

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Give it a Try!​

Go ahead.... ​

Deny! ​

Deny!​

Deny!​

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But, we still keep it in our mind.​

The Holy Spirit is not devious, nor sly!​

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But, all is OK?​

For you show the way!​

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When you make night...​

Into.................... ​

Your day!​

(take five)

 

[sawdust]

Are you being evasive? Which specific version did you take the "privileged" from?

What is wrong with you? I have explained to you I do not use one single translation to understand what is being said. I gave you 15 translations that use privilege and two that use honour as to what has been given to us. Most of the rest simply say "it" has been given to us referring to the privilege or honour.

I take words seriously especially God's word so forgive me if I do not rely on a single source this side of heaven for my understanding.

 

[rogerg]

What is wrong with you? I have explained to you I do not use one single translation to understand what is being said. I gave you 15 translations that use privilege and two that use honour as to what has been given to us. Most of the rest simply say "it" has been given to us referring to the privilege or honour.

I take words seriously especially God's word so forgive me if I do not rely on a single source this side of heaven for my understanding.

So, you read 15 translations? Okay, which one do you think the best one regarding that verse