Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Not true, it is very wrong to give some statements a universal application especially when it is being used to construct a false soteriology.
Pft. Semantics, like that makes a difference as if God still showed them but they learnt nothing from Him.
Then who taught them the truth that God exists because they most definitely learned it as they rejected it and traded it for a lie? They did not teach themselves.
I can assure you, it is not me who is disengenuous.
say the superior who had refused to see hundreds of scriptures with detailed insight, that God makes a believe, yeah right
You're very good at avoiding the implication aren't you.
Power which was used in you, not on you or around you you but in you. No-one ever has ever questioned the power comes from God.
The fact remains you received power before you believed ergo, you received power as an unbeliever according to your theology.
Either you are wrong about regeneration preceding belief or you are wrong about power only being given to believers, you can't have both.
Indeed, FREELY TAKING the cup of betrothal MUST precede the GIFT of the arrabón, the down payment of the Bride price that ratifies the marriage contract. This procedure and sequence is infallibly clear and unalterable in Scripture. No one in good conscience may refute or deny any of this....period.
The Reformed crew are collectively guilty of contempt of due process, obstruction of justice, bearing false witnesses, and a slew of other charges.
Eph 1:13 - In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 - Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
The Meaning of "Earnest"
The Greek word used is arrhabōn {ἀρραβών}, appearing in Ephesians 1:14, 2 Corinthians 1:22, and 2 Corinthians 5:5.
A Legal/Commercial Term: In the first century, an arrhabōn was a deposit or down payment that ratified a contract. It wasn't just a promise; it was a portion of the total payment given in advance to prove the buyer’s intent to complete the transaction.
The Spiritual Reality: By giving the Holy Spirit, God is saying, "I have purchased you, and this Spirit is the first installment of the full glory and inheritance you will receive later."
lol you know to run your 5 what light bulb at 110 volts, it's only O.045 amps of voltage needed for your head, haha
Power equals voltage x current
P equal v x I
P is power measured in What's and v volts and I is current
You're very good at avoiding the implication aren't you.
Power which was used in you, not on you or around you you but in you. No-one ever has ever questioned the power comes from God.
The fact remains you received power before you believed ergo, you received power as an unbeliever according to your theology.
Either you are wrong about regeneration preceding belief or you are wrong about power only being given to believers, you can't have both.
We are on the same merry go round! LOL
Seriously, it is beyond me how anyone can actually think that the bible teachers regeneration before faith.
The gospel is the power of God unto salvation. It doesn't say it is the power of God for being born again. All that is required to be born again is the Spirit. He makes us spiritually alive.You're very good at avoiding the implication aren't you.
Power which was used in you, not on you or around you you but in you. No-one ever has ever questioned the power comes from God.
The fact remains you received power before you believed ergo, you received power as an unbeliever according to your theology.
Either you are wrong about regeneration preceding belief or you are wrong about power only being given to believers, you can't have both.
Then you totally missed the point of my post. Three things must be believed before one comes to faith.
The point wasn't one must have faith to please God which, is what you are trying to make it about. That is self evident from the verse. What does not appear evident, to some at least, is that man must believe God's three truths before they will believe the Gospel that saves and have faith.
People keep trying to tell us that one can't believe the truth of God unless they are born again. Even @Rufus agreed many who do believe these truths are not spiritually alive. I never said these people have faith and are pleasing to God. I never said believing them is a guarantee one will take the next step into faith. For many, their idea of mercy is not God's idea of mercy and it is at that point they fall on their own sword.
It is God's power in action, saving men from death is one thing His power does. His power also keeps the universe rocking on.
Which is what I said. Foreknowledge (salvation) precedes Election. You do not choose to save those who are already saved, not unless you have dementia and forgot you saved them already. You choose (Election) what to do with those are saved.
I have been reading more on this area (betrothal and the wedding) since you first mentioned it.... just lately it has been a real revelation to me, the connections are amazing.
It is amazing how God reveals His plan via these observances.
Yes, what they promote is very, very wrong, without a doubt.
What I see from this TUILIP group on this thread is a true inability to grasp the cruel reality of the nature of the god they promote and worship.
The correct plan of salvation is all throughout the Bible as @cv5 @reneweddaybyday @sawdust @Bible_Highlighter and @Genez and many others have demonstrated time and time again.
We do not rely on "mined" singular verses.
Someone once told me that "reformed doctrine people" can only read a singular verse from different parts of the Bible at one time and usually the same verses over and over again........ now I totally get it!!!
Everything is governed by breakers in 10, 15, 25, and 30. This boosts the amps that are reduced and connected through 110 and 220 lines unless you are running 3 phase. So it's not like you're thinking but it does the trick.lol you know to run your 5 what light bulb at 110 volts, it's only O.045 amps of voltage needed for your head, haha
Power equals voltage x current
P equal v x I
P is power measured in What's and v volts and I is current
Light and dark can never relate to one another. We should pick a topic we all agree on then there would be no argument.
How about "Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords".
in the context of this discussion The gospel is a different matter to when God the father is building your heart up in belief, the gospel and it's spiritual meaning is the light of the lord.
This is a discussion that centers around the light of the gospel being hidden which started a few days ago, it's no different to reading his word and His word changing your heart as you read, which is the lords faith being instilled in you making you believe.
Jesus even said it was my father's bread that fed you in desert, the spiritual meaning here is Jesus was delivering his other devine nature first to people, as he is the mediator between this world and heaven.
Half of those individuals don't even agree with you on freewill and depravity.
When you say reformed individuals worship little g God, aren't you suggesting they aren't saved?