The salvation process or journey.

[Watchman22]

God gives the surrender too.

No, surrender has to be a choice.

Text book "God's way" , He looking for those who will freely choose Him. And that's done by a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.

Meeting you half way, He does give us the "ability" to surrender. A brain, a body, the ability to make decisions, and so on.

But it's a choice, our choice. Maybe the only choice we're truly capable of making.

 

[NightTwister]

No, surrender has to be a choice.

Text book "God's way" , He looking for those who will freely choose Him. And that's done by a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.

Meeting you half way, He does give us the "ability" to surrender. A brain, a body, the ability to make decisions, and so on.

But it's a choice, our choice. Maybe the only choice we're truly capable of making.

Surrender is a choice. God gives that too.

 

[Watchman22]

Surrender is a choice. God gives that too.

God chooses to follow Him for us?

 

[NightTwister]

God chooses to follow Him for us?

God makes us spiritually alive, then we choose to surrender to Him. Those who are spiritually dead will never surrender to Him because it's against their nature to do so.

 

[Watchman22]

God makes us spiritually alive, then we choose to surrender to Him. Those who are spiritually dead will never surrender to Him because it's against their nature to do so.

I don't necessarily disagree with that as long as it happens in the right place in the process. That wouldn't be true at the very beginning.

I start the process with the call of the Father.

To make us "spiritually alive " would consist of God giving us the spirit of Christ. Your suggesting we're given that first, and afer that, we fulfill the mandate of Faith.

I just don't agree with that.

 

[GWH]

No, surrender has to be a choice.

Text book "God's way" , He looking for those who will freely choose Him. And that's done by a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.

Meeting you half way, He does give us the "ability" to surrender. A brain, a body, the ability to make decisions, and so on.

But it's a choice, our choice. Maybe the only choice we're truly capable of making.

The tulipists will not surrender their dogma, but it's a nice thought.

 

[NightTwister]

I don't necessarily disagree with that as long as it happens in the right place in the process. That wouldn't be true at the very beginning.

I start the process with the call of the Father.

To make us "spiritually alive " would consist of God giving us the spirit of Christ. Your suggesting we're given that first, and afer that, we fulfill the mandate of Faith.

I just don't agree with that.

It would be true at the very beginning. Your method has a lot of you in it.

 

[NightTwister]

The tulipists will not surrender their dogma, but it's a nice thought.

Why would I "surrender" something I know to be true?

 

[Watchman22]

Why would I "surrender" something I know to be true?

Not my method, it's text book NT.

Your having an experience I'm not familiar with.

 

[Watchman22]

Why would I "surrender" something I know to be true?

Once Faith becomes fact, it's not faith anymore. If that happens, we need to quickly find a new object of faith. But that's advanced spiritual, all thi is need to be in alignment for that discussion. We're just not there.

 

[NightTwister]

Not my method, it's text book NT.

Your having an experience I'm not familiar with.

That doesn't make it wrong.

 

[NightTwister]

Once Faith becomes fact, it's not faith anymore. If that happens, we need to quickly find a new object of faith. But that's advanced spiritual, all thi is need to be in alignment for that discussion. We're just not there.

You're adding much to the process and it's all about you. That's not scriptural.

 

[Watchman22]

You're adding much to the process and it's all about you. That's not scriptural.

Got to be more specific.

I've put my understanding on the table to be tested by any who desires to.
But If you disagree with something, you need to replace it with better, Scriptures.

We have to start at the beginning. So what don't you agree with in the first stage.

 

[Dino246]

C) Were called out to be sainted here. Rom. 1:7.

This makes no sense.

You say “Were called out…” without stating who were called out or when, but apparently it already happened because “were” is past tense.

 

[NightTwister]

Got to be more specific.

I've put my understanding on the table to be tested by any who desires to.
But If you disagree with something, you need to replace it with better, Scriptures.

We have to start at the beginning. So what don't you agree with in the first stage.

The first stage is regeneration by the Holy Spirit. The person does from spiritual death to spiritual life.
The second stage is faith (a gift of God). Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
The third stage is belief/confession. This is the response to saving faith. This brings eternal life.

 

[Watchman22]

This makes no sense.

You say “Were called out…” without stating who were called out or when, but apparently it already happened because “were” is past tense.

You must have missed where I put Rom.1:7 at stage 1, part c.

We're, "we are" being called out to be "sainted". To be perfected. The Catholics kind of ruined the word "saints". Saints aren't perfect, their candidates for perfection.

I sometimes assume everyone knows that nobody comes to Christ unless the "Father " calls them. I wondered if anyone would pick up the word sainted when I wrote that. I'm glad you did.

That term sainted came from my teacher of over 30 years, and he only taught that to those who knew all the teachings that came before that.

As for when we're called out, I highlighted the very start of the salvation process.

 

[Watchman22]

The first stage is regeneration by the Holy Spirit. The person does from spiritual death to spiritual life.
The second stage is faith (a gift of God). Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
The third stage is belief/confession. This is the response to saving faith. This brings eternal life.

When I first sought Christianity, that is what I thought also. Keep seeking, more will be revealed.

 

[NightTwister]

Got to be more specific.

I've put my understanding on the table to be tested by any who desires to.
But If you disagree with something, you need to replace it with better, Scriptures.

We have to start at the beginning. So what don't you agree with in the first stage.

The first stage is regeneration by the Holy Spirit. The person does from spiritual death to spiritual life.
The second stage is faith (a gift of God). Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
The third stage is belief/confession. This is the response to saving faith.

When I first sought Christianity, that is what I thought also. Keep seeking, more will be revealed.

I've been a Christian as long as I remember. I'm in my 60s. Of course I'm always learning more, but on this we simply disagree. Grace and Peace.

 

[Watchman22]

The first stage is regeneration by the Holy Spirit. The person does from spiritual death to spiritual life.
The second stage is faith (a gift of God). Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
The third stage is belief/confession. This is the response to saving faith.

I've been a Christian as long as I remember. I'm in my 60s. Of course I'm always learning more, but on this we simply disagree. Grace and Peace.

Same to you

 

[Dino246]

You must have missed where I put Rom.1:7 at stage 1, part c.

We're, "we are" being called out to be "sainted". To be perfected. The Catholics kind of ruined the word "saints". Saints aren't perfect, their candidates for perfection.

I sometimes assume everyone knows that nobody comes to Christ unless the "Father " calls them. I wondered if anyone would pick up the word sainted when I wrote that. I'm glad you did.

That term sainted came from my teacher of over 30 years, and he only taught that to those who knew all the teachings that came before that.

As for when we're called out, I highlighted the very start of the salvation process.

So the problem was incorrect punctuation. “Were” and “we’re” are completely different words.