Rapture true or false
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Your right, we don't know what He'll look like ... scripture says " flaming eyes"
I didn't create these images, just copy / paste.. That "cracka" image of Christ. was developed by the Catholic church, centuries ago, I guess to "de- jewish" him, for their purposes. I've seen peoples, more accurate representation of what Jesus probably looked like, dark skin and hair, ... bearded. Scripture describes Jesus as uncomely in appearance, emphasizing that He lacked physical beauty or majesty that would attract admiration. ... but His eye .. !
Looking forward, to looking in to His eyes, soon .. I pray ...
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""6. The Armies of Heaven Follow Him
Revelation 19:14 (KJV)
“And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.”
He returns at the head of countless angels, not alone.""
Are you postrib rapture?
Because you left off his coming in Rev 19 is with millions of saints, And then replaced the saints with angels.
Sigh. You do remember, that we're talking about the english word 'rapture' now, right? Not the greek word 'harpazo'.
So, I'll just assume your playing games. Adios. Have fun.
You can apply rapturous emotions to anyone, anywhere you like in the Bible. And call it a rapture. No doubt Lazarus was in raptured awe of Jesus' power.
The traditional Christian use of the rapture is only for Jesus rapturing His church at His second coming. Adios. Keep having fun.
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"You can keep it up as you wish, which you do frequently, but it becomes just another meaningless cry of wolf.
If you spend less time crying about the Satanic wolf in the mix, and simply prove what the Scripture says, then I'd spend more time hearing you. You are obviously well-read and learned in the Bible. I'm only interested in the resulting arguments of your study. The rest is just irrelevant nuisance to bypass."
Maybe debate, and abandon the character critique?
Nothing burger big time.
Maybe we agree on most things?
The armies with the Lord coming out of heaven to earth, are His angels. Who gather together the resurrected saints from the earth to meet the Lord in the air.
Rev 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Jde 1:14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Rev 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
The angels are in heaven with the Lord, and their armies follow Him on His return to earth. The saints are resurrected on the earth with those that remain alive, and are caught away from the earth with clouds, to be escorted by angels to meet the Lord in the air. The Lord with His ten thousands of saints then come with clouds to the earth, to destroy the nations' armies around Armageddon, and govern over all the earth with rods of iron. Jesus Himself seated on Mt Zion of Jerusalem.
So, in effect, not only does the Lord return from heaven to the earth, but His resurrected saints also return to the earth with Him, from the air.
I really do love the way God writes His words of prophecy in a way, that commands attention to detail, and taking Him exactly at His word.
2Ti 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
All prophecy of Scripture comes together in one perfectly unified painting, which each part Scripturally stroked in it's own place, from the beginning to the end of the Book. Like a majestic jig-saw puzzle of prophecy, where all the pieces are found written in every part of the Bible. We simply have to read, study, and assemble them together in their proper place and order, to see it all at once.
In fact, We are beginning to. I'd say we're now about half and half. Including no more crying wolf debates.
No, we weren't. Why would we talk about a pointless, non-biblical word/definition? The Rapture/Harpazo means to move someone from one place to another. There are many examples of this is scripture. "the Rapture" is an event where the survivors of the trib will ve moved upwards to the clouds to meet Christ at the second coming.
Friend, ... The Word of God, doesn't say Jesus "comes in peace" for anyone. By your inference it seems that you are "mishandling the word of God"... Granted, ... after His Church is in heaven, they will have peace, but "Jesus doesn't come in peace."
Matthew 10:34-35
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."
Matthew 25:31-33
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, ( King of Kings ) and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: ( Lord of Lords ) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he ( The Judge ) shall separate them one from another, (Judgement ) as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep ( the righteous ) on his right hand, but the goats ( the Wicked ) on the left."
Jesus at His Second Advent, "comes in" the Character and Attributes as I mention from The Word, in post #333
Nor does the Word, Jesus, say anything like,
"but after their resurrection and rapture, will be tribulation and death to the rebellious. That's " mishandling the word of God" as you say, OR as I refer to the Apostate Protestant Church, ... "being the false prophet" of Revelation 16:13 where The Word mentions the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet, stating, "And I saw three unclean spirits that looked like frogs coming out of the mouths of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet" ( speaking lies, deception and un-Truths -> anti-Jesus )
2 Timothy 4:2-5
Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. ( The Word, Jesus) For there shall be a time, (NOW) when they ( professed Christians) will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, ( False Prophets) having itching ears. And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables. ( Futurist - Dispensationalism ) But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry.
... " after their resurrection and rapture, will be tribulation and death to the rebellious." = fable, - 2 Timothy 4:2-5 (above)
FABLES, developed & promoted by the Beast of Rev. 16:13, and Revelation 13, etc., the anti-Christ > ( 1 Peter 5:8, Daniel 7:24–27,
Matthew 24:24, 2 Thessalonians 2:3–12, John 2:18–22, 2 John 7 , Revelation 13:1–10 )
Fables, by Satan, to deceive mankind, to losing their souls, perdition and eternal destruction,
A truthful interpretation of The Word, concerning the SOON, Second Advent of our Lord, Jesus, would be;
1. Jesus is about to return as the King of Kings and Judge
- Revelation 19:11–16
“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war… and he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
This passage shows Jesus returning as the King of Kings and the Judge of all nations. - Matthew 25:31–32
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats.”
Jesus returns to judge the world.
- Revelation 22:12 (KJV):
“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
This shows that Jesus will bring rewards for both the righteous and the wicked. - 2 Timothy 4:8 (KJV):
“Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.”
Jesus rewards the righteous with a crown of righteousness.
- 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 (KJV):
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
The righteous are caught up (translated) to meet Jesus in the air, escaping the wrath to come. - Revelation 7:1–3 (KJV):
“And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”
The righteous are sealed before the plagues (the wrath) begin.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:8 (KJV):
“And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.”
The wicked are destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' coming. - Revelation 19:19–21 (KJV):
“And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet… these both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse…”
The wicked (including the beast, false prophet, and their followers) are destroyed at Christ's return.
- Jeremiah 4:23 (KJV):
“I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.”
The earth becomes desolate, echoing the pre-creation state (similar to Genesis 1:2). - Isaiah 24:1 (KJV):
“Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.”
The earth becomes waste and desolate following the Second Coming. - Revelation 20:1–3 (KJV):
“And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years…”
Satan is bound on a desolate earth for the duration of the millennium.
- Revelation 21:1–2 (KJV):
“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
After the destruction of the wicked and the judgment, a new heaven and new earth are created.
- Revelation 20:10 (KJV):
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
Satan, the beast (Anti-Christ), and the false prophet are cast into the lake of fire.
- Malachi 4:1 (KJV):
“For, behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.”
The wicked are utterly destroyed, leaving no trace of existence. - Matthew 10:28 (KJV):
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
The wicked are utterly destroyed in hell (the lake of fire), indicating non-existence. - Revelation 20:14–15 (KJV):
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
The second death refers to complete and eternal destruction, which signifies non-existence.
- Jesus returns as King and Judge (Rev. 19:11–16; Matt. 25:31–32)
- The righteous are translated to heaven (1 Thess. 4:16–17)
- The wicked are immediately destroyed (2 Thess. 2:8; Rev. 19:19–21)
- The earth becomes desolate (Jer. 4:23; Isa. 24:1; Rev. 20:1–3)
- Satan, Anti-Christ, and False Prophet are cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:10)
- Eternal destruction of the wicked = non-existence (Mal. 4:1; Matt. 10:28; Rev. 20:14–15)
- The new heaven and earth are created (Rev. 21:1–2)
- So on into eternity
Lol
Rev 19.
(The part you redacted)
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
remember what happens to those changing revelation.????
You have angels, in your error, riding horses.
And change the army of the bride/wife into an army of angelic horsemen.
Let me guess...you are postribber, correct?????
The rapture was coined and is traditionally understood as the glorious movement of the church from earth to meet Jesus in the air.
I suppose anyone such as yourself (are the others?), can then take that word and apply it to whatever movement of a person from one place to another. (Star Trek has had many such rapturous teleportations in it's glorious TV and movie career...)
You've mentioned the rest of the dead living again to be judged.
However, the rapture applies to catching away movement of the resurrected body. But rest of the dead are resurrected to stand before the GWT. There is no such catching away movement, other than casting away the wicked into the LOF. If you want to call that a Bible 'rapture', I'm sure the wicked would call it something else...
I suppose Phillip caught away from the eunuch, would be called a 'rapture' by you? Sort of a lateral rapture, rather than upward?
Yes, the rapture will also include those remaining alive during the beast's trib, and are changed immortal. Then all the resurrected and changed saints are caught away to the clouds to meet Christ at the second coming.
False. The bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ is on earth, where their dead bodies are:
1 Th 4:15
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
The dead in Christ first resurrected bodily on earth, together them remaining alive on earth, where they also are.
And, of course, the rapture of the resurrected and changed saints, is from the earth upward into the clouds of the air.
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"the Rapture" is an event where the survivors of the trib will ve moved upwards to the clouds to meet Christ at the second coming.
It's the armies of angels coming out of heaven with the Lord, who then gather the raptured elect from the four winds, and escort them to the Lord in the air.
Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Luk 2:13
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Jesus came in peace with good will toward all men, which He did by doing good with many good works for all in need:
Luk 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Mar 5:34
And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Luk 8:48
And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
Jhn 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
Jhn 14:1
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. And if I go to prepare a place for you. I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Other than sending tribulation and wrath upon the wicked, after resurrecting and rapturing His saints from the earth.
Even as He flooded the wicked, while saving Noah rising in an ark.
Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
If your grievance is with pretribulation resurrection and rapture on earth, then say so. If you believe He comes again to a wholly corrupted earth, without even an elect Noah to save from wrath, then prove it by Scripture.
And even with that, Jesus still came first in the flesh, with the gospel of peace and good will toward men...
I've heard this futurist dispensation, or 'futurism' once before. What is it?