Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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cv5 said:
Agree. They CHOSE the master whom they DESIRED to serve.
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Not what Jesus said Jn 15:16

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
 
brightfame52 said:
Believe this 2 Cor 4:3-4
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I presented this and it says the god of this world blinds them which is Satan and you literally disagreed with the Bible. In fact, you disagree with the Bible many times and then claim to be a Christian. Intriguing.
 
Jordon said:
You can't even interpret that God can make a person believe, and your dogmatic here all the time, your hardly in a place to believe your understanding is fit for deciding who's understanding is better.


Theres plenty of scripture which instructs us to remember scripture, even in Deuteronomy where people are in the process of being saved there, and once again it's you who hold your yourself above those still learning, your pride is a serious issue sir, that perhaps is being to easily influenced by temptation.

When are you going to stop your Malice ?
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Make you believe?

Evidently you know how it works. Right?

So tell me. How does God "make" someone to believe?

If you can not define it?
Then you leave it open to subjective interpretation.

So how do we know what we are even disagreeing about?

Now define it.
How does God make one to believe?

Just do not throw out verses and not explain them.
Does He force something in a person to change?

One more time?

Does He force something in a person to change to make one believe?​

If you can not answer it plainly?

Please... Get off your high horse and be quiet until you can.
So far... You have no answer. Only dogmatic zeal.

Muslims have dogmatic zeal.
 
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sawdust said:
Yes it does. Do you believe this?
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It's incredible sawdust that in 3000 thousand posts I've made to this thread, they've all been consistent with the belief that God makes a person believe first, but yet in the hundreds of different scriptures I've shared, explaining in full detail, all pointing in the same direction That not even one of them have even been acknowledged by people's own choice,

You know for me now personally it feels really like I'm talking about a none existing God now with people here.
 
lrs68 said:
I presented this and it says the god of this world blinds them which is Satan and you literally disagreed with the Bible. In fact, you disagree with the Bible many times and then claim to be a Christian. Intriguing.
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It says the gospel is hidden to them that are lost.
 
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lrs68 said:
From the Bible Itself:

3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in them that perish:
4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving...


Tell me, who is the lower case [(god)] of this world?

The fact From your post shows you think this is the Father in Heaven when in reality it is Satan who blinds the unbelievers.

You condemned me when the Bible proves me correct.

You have just proven your doctrine is False and your knowledge of the Bible is horrible.
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Mathew 6:24 states nobody can serve two masters, and in this world people are serving one or the other,

So let me ask you a question does satan give you a choice to stop serving him ?
 
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reneweddaybyday said:
I realize that folks come away with "more than one understanding" ... when my good best friend was still with me, he and I would discuss Scripture. sometimes we agreed ... sometimes we were not in 100% agreement ... at the end of the day, either his understanding was right ... or my understanding was right ... or both of us were not right. What we both believed for a fact was that the truth of Scripture is what is crucial and God is always right.

in agreement that Abraham was saved by God.





Abraham was not alive when the Lord Jesus Christ walked the earth with His disciples ... although Scripture does state that Abraham rejoiced to see His day ...

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

God revealed the day to Abraham. Hebrews 11:9 clearly states that Abraham had faith that God would raise up Isaac from the dead ... so Abraham had some knowledge concerning the resurrection.

Abraham saw the promises "afar off" ... Abraham was persuaded of them ... Abraham embraced them ... Abraham confessed that he was a stranger and a pilgrim on the earth.

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Just as we look for the new heavens and the new earth wherein dwells righteousness (2 Peter 3:13), Abraham did the same as he looked forward to the first coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.





I showed you the Hebrew word yāḏaʿ used in Gen 18:19 does not mean "chosen".

I also showed you the various Hebrew words which actually mean "chosen". None of the Hebrew words which mean "chosen" are found in Gen 18:19.





My understanding is that salvation is by grace through faith ... whether in Abraham's time (before Old Covenant) ... under the Old Covenant (after Abraham's time) ... under the New Covenant (our day and time).





here's what occurred Jordon:

Genesis 22:6-13

6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.

7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.

10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.

11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.

12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.





Abraham obeyed God ... Abraham had bound up Isaac ... laid Isaac on the altar ... Abraham took out his knife to slay Isaac ... then the angel of the Lord called out to Abraham ... Abraham offered the ram that God provided in the place of Isaac.

wow!!!





Any time a person believes God is it due to God having revealed Himself to the person. When God reveals Himself, we either believe or suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Just because a person believes, that doesn't make a person any better or greater in and of him or herself ... God is always the Mover ... we are always the responder to God having moved ... the response is either belief in what God has revealed or rejection of what God has revealed.





what are you talking about? ... you and I are discussing the Word of God.

I have acknowledged everything you have said and I am discussing that with you.





sorry you feel that way ... however our life time of faith and wisdom grows in this lifetime.

As God reveals more and more truth to us, we grow and mature in the things of God. We will be growing and maturing in the things of God until God calls us home. God is at work within us ... conforming us into the image of His Son.

This does not happen over night and we will not be fully conformed into the image of His Son until we see Him face to face. At that point, we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is.

1 Jo 3:1-2

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.





I don't wonder why ... I know why ... but that does not mean that the schism is what God wants in the body of Christ.

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so the lord was not walking with Abram even tho he was chosen to keep the the way of lord,...wow

And you say Jesus walking with disciples is different to how he walked with Abraham, wow

And wow Abraham one of the main for-fathers of our faith apparently still never had any devine intervention inwardly happening to him, to make him believe wow

And apparently Gods word couldn't of burned in his heart, because that was spoken to the disciples, wow.

So apparently the lord wasn't decipling Abraham, wow.

And your not in one hundred percent agreement so you have to rule out all This understanding out wow.

Your not sorry I feel this way at all, sorry
 
rogerg said:
[Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
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What is it that Causes God to give you the ability to believe?

That is the real question.

Does God simply go... "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe?"

Please make sense.

That's all we ask.
 
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Genez said:
Make you believe?

Evidently you know how it works. Right?

So tell me. How does God "make" someone to believe?

If you can not define it?
Then you leave it open to subjective interpretation.

So how do we know what we are even disagreeing about?

Now define it.
How does God make one to believe?

Just do not throw out verses and not explain them.
Does He force something in a person to change?

One more time?

Does He force something in a person to change to make one believe?​

If you can not answer it plainly?

Please... Get off your high horse and be quiet until you can.
So far... You have no answer. Only dogmatic zeal.

Muslims have dogmatic zeal.
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can satan make you believe ?
 
Jordon said:
can satan make you believe ?
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How was that answer?
There you go again.

Here is what you refused to answer.

Now define it.
How does God make one to believe?

Just do not throw out verses and not explain them.
Does He force something in a person to change?

One more time?


Does He force something in a person to change to make one believe?



You are here to be a diversion.
Never willing to get to the heart of the matter.
That is your purpose to prevent others.

You have no answers!
But think and act like you do.

And, will get in the way of those who are on the path to finding life.

Don't be polite.
Be truthful...

Does He force something in a person to change to make one believe?

Admit it..
You don't know.
 
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