Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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brightfame52 said:
The Gospel is hidden to them that are lost. As long as we are in a lost condition the Gospel is hidden
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"IF"

And read the whole chapter, actually the entire book and then make sure it lines up with the entire message of scripture.
Too much to ask, I know because full context demolishes false soteriology.
 
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cv5 said:
Standard Calvinist walk-back rhetoric, trying to stem the bleeding aorta that has been punctured by the many Scriptural arrows of truth that have hit the bullseye.
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Some will use innocuous, biblical words, but let us not be fooled it is still the same harmful false soteriology.
 
HeIsHere said:
"IF"

And read the whole chapter, actually the entire book and then make sure it lines up with the entire message of scripture.
Too much to ask, I know because full context demolishes false soteriology.
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How about with the whole Bible?

[Luk 4:18 KJV] 18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

[Luk 6:39 KJV] 39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

[Rev 3:17 KJV] 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

[2Co 3:14 KJV] 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.

[Luk 2:30 KJV] 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

[Jhn 12:39 KJV] 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
[Jhn 12:40 KJV] 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

[Act 26:18 KJV] 18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

[Act 28:26-27 KJV]
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

[Rom 11:7 KJV] 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

[Eph 1:18 KJV] 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

[Mat 11:25 KJV] 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

[Col 1:26 KJV] 26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
 
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brightfame52 said:
It's the same, a lost person doesn't believe the Gospel because it is hidden from them.
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how many times was the gospel preached to you before you believed, brightfame52?

the first time the gospel was preached to you the gospel was not hidden ... the gospel was revealed to you. At that point, you either believed or suppressed the truth in unrighteousness. That was your doing.

praise God you did not pass before you believed the gospel ... but if you would have died prior to coming to faith in the gospel, you would not have been able to claim at the judgment seat that "the gospel was hid" ... because God would then show you when the gospel was not hid and you rejected ... absolutely no excuse ...

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cv5 said:
Good grief open your eyes....:oops:
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When I come to this thread, the irony is beyond belief, the crew that harps about not hearing, blindness and on and on are they themselves blinded, maybe. :unsure:

I am coming to the conclusion that some are knowingly pushing a false soteriology.

I find really hard to believe it could be blindness anymore, especially after all the scripture and excellent arguments in context that plainly destroy their false soteriology.

Who would even want to believe that nonsense, that God creates a certain elite group of people for salvation. ughh!!
 
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rogerg said:
How about with the whole Bible?

[Luk 4:18 KJV] 18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

[Luk 6:39 KJV] 39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

[Rev 3:17 KJV] 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

[2Co 3:14 KJV] 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.

[Luk 2:30 KJV] 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

[Jhn 12:39 KJV] 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
[Jhn 12:40 KJV] 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

[Act 26:18 KJV] 18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

[Act 28:26-27 KJV]
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

[Rom 11:7 KJV] 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

[Eph 1:18 KJV] 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

[Mat 11:25 KJV] 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

[Col 1:26 KJV] 26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
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Out of context even still.:rolleyes::oops:
 
rogerg said:
How about with the whole Bible?

[Luk 4:18 KJV] 18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

[Luk 6:39 KJV] 39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

[Rev 3:17 KJV] 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

[2Co 3:14 KJV] 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.

[Luk 2:30 KJV] 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

[Jhn 12:39 KJV] 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
[Jhn 12:40 KJV] 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

[Act 26:18 KJV] 18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

[Act 28:26-27 KJV]
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

[Rom 11:7 KJV] 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

[Eph 1:18 KJV] 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

[Mat 11:25 KJV] 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

[Col 1:26 KJV] 26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
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Flailing around blindly again are we?
Well, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, unless you are a Calvinist squirrel.
 
HeIsHere said:
Yes, and even then it is because people have rejected truth
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and they reject the truth because they are blind; they are blind because they are not saved; they are not saved because they
are not of the elect: only the elect can/will find the truth of the gospel of Christ, by Jesus Christ the Savior.
 
rogerg said:
and they reject the truth because they are blind; they are blind because they are not saved; they are not saved because they
are not of the elect: only the elect can/will find the truth of the gospel of Christ, by Jesus Christ the Savior.
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Election is to service, discipleship.
 
HeIsHere said:
"IF"

And read the whole chapter, actually the entire book and then make sure it lines up with the entire message of scripture.
Too much to ask, I know because full context demolishes false soteriology.
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Doesnt change, them that are lost, the Gospel is hidden and they believe not
 
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