Charlie Kirk - so what now ?

[HigherGospel]

Now you're just being a demritorious trashposter.

Ha ha,. I'd expect those that worship this nutjob woman to be offended.

There is a reason the Muslims have put a grave at the exact spot Jesus will return.

And of course that matters not to the Lord as He'll run right over their so called "holy site" because it's not holy at all and is nothing more than a monument to satan.

Thanks for posting there's a whole lot of Biblical truth there. Unfortunately, even here, quite a few don't believe it.

Yeah it's become quite fashionable amongst the tares to be racist against the Jews.

The children of the devil will follow in their father satan's foot steps ya know.

my questions are based on verifiable facts

More like based on hallucinations and demonic conjecture

we have several people who have gone on the record saying that Charlie Kirk contacted them saying he thought "they were going to kill him" prior to this event in Utah.

Most high profile people that deal with political stuff get death threats all the time. Nothing odd about him thinking someone was wanting to murder him because that is the reality of being high profile speaking on political stuff.

Now for her to say this I assume she went through all his texts and emails.

I see so then you acknowledge are operating on assumption and not facts.

Not in the least. The things she says are outrageous. She's turned on half her supporters and her fellow podcasters with a lick of sense are pulling away from her. She's turned into a grifter. All kinds of people were personal friends with Charlie, Owens is the only one that managed to make herself, not his widow or his children or his staff that took his dead body to the hospital, she took the spotlight and trained it on herself. I'm hoping she will let Erika grieve and shut up. Tinfoil hat time is over.

She's also an opportunist who is seeking to monetize Charlie Kirk's murder to transform her bank account to having many more zeros on the end of her balance.

It all went bad for her back when she allowed satan to deceive her in to joining the catholiks cult.

 

[pinebeach]

No, these are my questions:

We are discussing the evidence.

Summary of what we know so far

Here are questions and facts concerning the assassination.

1. The Feds say a 30-06 bullet severed Charlies spine in his neck.

The feds making an official statement is evidence that can be entered in court.

So then we are discussing this evidence: it would seem to be absurd because if that bullet had severed the spine it would have decapitated Charlie. So this is the first very big question. Why would they be disingenuous about this?

2. How was it that security did not see this man on the roof with a gun?

This is also evidence. The claim is he was on a roof 200 yards away and shot Charlie from that position. TPUSA admits Charlie had security. So either they saw this man and did nothing or they didn't see him. Either way it looks very bad for them, but seeing him and not doing anything is much worse. Better to be incompetent than evil. So we are discussing this evidence, which we have video tape of, wondering how could this be.

3. How was this man able to walk away after shooting Charlie while carrying a rifle?

This also is in evidence. The rifle they say he used to shoot Charlie was found in a park a very good distance from the campus. How did it get there? Another question about the evidence.

4. TPUSA is a very powerful political organization. Donald Trump and several other politicians gave this organization credit for getting him elected.

This is also evidence, these statements were made during the memorial service in Phoenix, and as that was streamed around the world we have millions of witnesses and recordings of this.

5. As a result of this assassination Erika Kirk became the CEO of TPUSA.

Once again, this is evidence. Certainly can be entered into a court of Law.

6. Also, immediately after this assassination, after Erika Kirk took control she canceled the full audit that Charlie had scheduled because of concerns over how the money donated to this non profit was being spent.

This is based on testimony from those inside the company who for obvious reasons want to remain anonymous. But if this were ever to get to court they could testify there.

7. Charlie’s mom and sister both feel something is wrong with Erika and have said so. This is why they refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.

Once again, a fact that they did not come to the Memorial and have publicly stated that they felt something was wrong with Erika.

8. Charlie’s father also refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.

9. Some of the long time donors to TPUSA have frozen their donations after the audit was cancelled because of the lack of transparency.

10. Erika Kirk has direct links to the military industrial complex, her father is an executive for Raytheon and was instrumental in the building of Israel’s Iron Dome and her mother runs a company based in Arizona that receives military contracts. Erika herself ran a charity out of Romania called “Romanian Angels” for orphans. She also knew Trump prior to meeting Charlie because she was in his beauty pageants.

11. Erika Kirk was on Jesse Watters show and was interviewed, He asked her if she thought the person that was in custody was the one who killed her husband and was solely responsible. She refused to answer that question saying only that she trusts the investigators will find the truth.

12. The director of the FBI was also asked and said it was an ongoing investigation, they have not closed it yet and they are not claiming anything more than that the man in custody was involved. So neither Erika nor the FBI director are claiming the man in custody is the one who killed Charlie, they are not claiming the investigation is over, they are not even claiming they know who killed Charlie.

So many questions.....so little time....

 

[HigherGospel]

You and the others coming onto a news thread and de-railing conversation with your logical fallacies and bad faith arguments is bad form.

I see so in other words you are offended when other don't buy in to the conspiracy theories that you espouse.

Summary of what we know so far

We as in you and the dark spirits driving you to depart from the Lord in favor of wading out in to the darkness.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Yep,

“If you believe in something, you need to have the courage to fight for those ideas — not run away from them or try and silence them.” Charlie Kirk

“When you deliberately distort and selectively present the truth, you lie.” Charlie Kirk

I know the accusations have flown both ways on this, from TPUSA towards CO and from CO towards TPUSA. Let's all pray that anyone who has deliberately distorted or selectively presented the truth will confess and repent.

I haven't made accusations against anyone here. CO is out of her ever loving mind. First Israel killed Charlie, then Erika and TP, then the French, or are they murdering her? I've forgotten which story she's committed to now.

“Many textbooks fail to present students with both sides of an issue.” Charlie Kirk

I think this thread has done a decent job of presenting both sides of the issue. (Grade B+)

I don't, I think and agree this thread should be in the conspiracy theory forum.

“Your voice matters. Don’t stay silent when you know the truth.” Charlie Kirk

Let's hope this is the attitude every contributor has made to this thread. Obviously since the opinions are diametrically opposed some of us will be wrong in the end, give us the grace to realize any mistakes made, learn from them and repent of anything we did that led to that mistake. (Grade to be determined)

“Stand firm in your beliefs, but always listen with respect.” Charlie Kirk

I think it is clear we can't give an A to the entire thread on this point. Not everyone has listened with respect. So the grades would go all the way from a possible A to a definite F in this category, at least that is how I see it. (Grade A)

Listening with respect was lost a long time ago in the BDF, now it's lost here. But again, this thread is in the wrong forum. I think if it was where it should be the conversation would have gone better.

"Argue ideas, not people." Charlie Kirk

This is one that there are many F's to be handed out. Attacking Candace Owens as a "grifter" is to argue the people, not the ideas. (Grades vary by the different posters)

Well it's a nice twisting of what Charlie meant with all these quotes I think. But I will gladly take your F. Charlie was intelligent, but he was young. There are times to have to confront a person. We had to confront Hitler, Stalin, the Nazi's and many, many more.

""Never let anyone silence your voice, even when it’s unpopular." Charlie Kirk

Really? Do you think Charlie is in heaven rooting on CO attacking his widow?

This is the most confusing to me, why is anyone on this thread wanting to silence people? To be fair this attitude can be traced directly to Erika Kirk who publicly has tried to silence Candace Owens.

Again, really? You've never heard of slander?? I think Erika has handled this very well and done her level best not to let COs foolishness get to her. If it was me, by now I would have said cease and desist or we're having a come to Jesus moment that ends in a lawsuit if you don't stop the lies.

 

[HigherGospel]

And I heard earlier today that Erika is supposed to be going on Candace Owens pod cast for an interview which should be interesting.

 

[pinebeach]

I really don't care how you or anybody else feels about Candace, this thread isn't really even about candace. You and the others coming onto a news thread and de-railing conversation with your logical fallacies and bad faith arguments is bad form.

Look around. There are a good number of people objecting to the ongoing deluge of Candace going off the rails. Who do you think you are saying you and others are coming into this thread? Are you mistakenly thinking ZNP owns the forum?

I just today did some research on Candace baby and that grifter does not lie very well. As one podcaster put it, her time is going to end, maybe not today or tomorrow or even next year, but make no mistake, she is going to be shut down because she is not a reliable source of truth.

She also gets really angry when someone questions her or asks what her proof is. Yeah, she's quite an actor. Her attitude is more like 'how dare you question me?' Her paid advert for tampax was particularly tasteless but I guess in keeping her with personality.

she gives me the ick

 

[pinebeach]

But again, this thread is in the wrong forum.

Right. They can all go as looney tunes as they want there and leave the news forum for actual news.

I don't thinkl that's asking too much.

 

[SomeDisciple]

Look around. There are a good number of people objecting to the ongoing deluge of Candace going off the rails.

Exactly, you guys are shifting the focus of the thread from the actual topic, to how much you hate Candace Owens. Nobody cares.

 

[pinebeach]

Exactly, you guys are shifting the focus of the thread from the actual topic, to how much you hate Candace Owens. Nobody cares.

waaa waaa waaa

Right. Well I don't see the op written as 'Candace Owens grifts mercilessly at Charlies' widow

Here is the actual op:

The killing of Charlie Kirk is a terrible, devastating, tragic event. My condolances to his familiy and friends.

But my question today is as follows: What now, dear americans ? Which impact will his death have on your society?
As a non-american, my first analysis is as follows. You have, in my opinion, mainly two ways of reacting:

- "Peace and love". You americans come together, from each wing and every fraction, and you say:
"Enough is enough !" Enough hatred, enough polarization, enough violence, enough killings. Let us unite in a brotherhood
and be friends, despite some disagreement on this or that. Peace and love !

- War. Expand the hatred, expand the war. You are not me and you will never be. I hate you, your group and your opinions!
I am a warrior of the good side and anyone not with us is an enemy. War !

So which solution do you - reading this - support?
This is a serious question; it's about the future of the United States of America.

So actually you conspiracy theorists have taken over the thread. duh

 

[pinebeach]

 

[HigherGospel]

Are you mistakenly thinking ZNP owns the forum

Another conspiracy theory floating around from the Tin Foil Hat Brigade

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I really don't care how you or anybody else feels about Candace, this thread isn't really even about candace. You and the others coming onto a news thread and de-railing conversation with your logical fallacies and bad faith arguments is bad form.

No it is about CO, the things she's been saying since she married that nutty husband of hers are outrageous!!

1. "You're too smart to be a Protestant. Just take the last step, Charlie."
This quote occurred in a conversation where she claimed Kirk was considering conversion to Catholicism before his death, an assertion which has been disputed by his family and pastor. But nooooooo Candice knows better!! And even if it were true, here's an eye opener for Candice, she's NOT his WIFE!! It was none of her business to open her big mouth.

2. She has said that the Munchkins in The Wizard of Oz are performing a “satanic ritual” when they celebrate the death of the Wicked Witch.


3. She has cast doubt on the crimes of Nazi doctor Josef Mengele, saying his ghoulish experiments sound “absurd” and would have been a “waste of time and supplies.”




4. She now claims that the French Foreign Legion were involved in the killing of Charlie Kirk, possibly at the direction of Brigitte Macron (whom Owens thinks is transgender), and believes she herself is being pursued by assassins dispatched by the French government.


5. She has said it was a “military operation,” and concluded that “the French Foreign Legion was apparently involved and on the ground at [Utah Valley University] on the day of Charlie Kirk's assassination.” But it wasn’t just the French. She says that “A military meeting with foreign leaders took place on July 20th on U.S soil,” implying multiple foreign governments were involved. Owens has said that there were 12 Israeli cell phones on campus that day, and she has zeroed in on a supposed Egyptian military plane that she believes was tracking Kirk’s wife Erika in the year leading up to the assassinaton. Whichever foreign government, or governments, killed Charlie Kirk, apparently they all color-coordinated their outfits: “Every guy [at UVU on the day] seems to be wearing maroon shirts as if they were told to wear them to identify each other. It keeps coming up in my research. I think it means something.” The color maroon, she says she has discovered, is “associated with elite airborne operations.” And it wasn’t just the maroon-wearing legionnaires. Owens claims to have evidence that members of Kirk’s own organization, Turning Point USA, “betrayed” him, a belief that was bolstered when Kirk appeared to her in a dream and told her he had been betrayed.


Why would anyone believe a word coming out of this woman's mouth? It's beyond me. Oh and just reminder, anyone can discuss whatever they wish in a thread.

 

[HigherGospel]

2. She has said that the Munchkins in The Wizard of Oz are performing a “satanic ritual” when they celebrate the death of the Wicked Witch.

They may as well be seeing they were not serving the Lord Jesus.

Of course her thoughts on some movie has nothing to do with nothing and is a moot point.

4. She now claims that the French Foreign Legion were involved in the killing of Charlie Kirk, possibly at the direction of Brigitte Macron (whom Owens thinks is transgender), and believes she herself is being pursued by assassins dispatched by the French government.

Well maybe someday the French assassins will succeed and we won't have to deal with her anymore.

One of these days we'll probably hear in the news that Candace Owens has had a psychotic break and she'll now being living in the nut hut where she belongs along with all the other mental midgets

 

[SomeDisciple]

No it is about CO, the things she's been saying since she married that nutty husband of hers are outrageous!!

I don't agree with a lot of things she says or believes; I'm definitely not Catholic, definitely believe her position about Jews not being an ethnicity is grossly wrong, and I have no idea about wizard of Oz thing; but Hollywood is weird like that.... anyways, sure, you can say what you want; but like I said, it's bad form.

 

[ZNP]

We as in you and the dark spirits driving you to depart from the Lord in favor of wading out in to the darkness.

I am not departing from the Lord, I am departing from the official narrative of the FBI. Do you consider the FBI to be the Lord? To me Jesus Christ is Lord and the whole world lies in the evil one.

 

[pinebeach]

“Every guy [at UVU on the day] seems to be wearing maroon shirts as if they were told to wear them to identify each other. It keeps coming up in my research. I think it means something.” The color maroon, she says she has discovered, is “associated with elite airborne operations.” And it wasn’t just the maroon-wearing legionnaires.

 

[ZNP]

Candace Owens FACE TO FACE meeting with Erika Kirk Goes Viral

Did Turning Point cancel the livestream today?

 

[SomeDisciple]

Did Turning Point cancel the livestream today?

I think they did. I didn't see anything related on the CK show.

 

[ZNP]

I think they did. I didn't see anything related on the CK show.

My understanding is that Erika Kirk met with Candace Owens and for three hours they went over every question she had. CO then came on and said "she was alive" because some people were afraid she had been killed. Then she said all her questions had been answered but she was exhausted and would fill us in tomorrow.

 

[ZNP]

Here is a more thorough explanation of what has happened

Erika Kirk PANICS! Flies To Nashville For Meeting With Candace Owens!

1. They tried to ignore the questions. Didn't work.

2. So then they tried to insult, and smear those asking the questions, didn't work.

3. So then they tried to parade Erika around the country as the grieving widow. Did not stop any questions about the assassination.

4. So then they tried a ridiculous PR stunt with this supposed TPUSA live stream on December 15th which would answer all the questions. They tried to pretend that Candace had been invited but turned it down, that blew up in their face, then when Candace said she would watch the live stream and comment on it in her podcast they panicked and balked.

5. So then Erika flies to Nashville to meet with CO for 4 1/2 hours. No longer ignoring the questions, no longer mocking her saying we don't need to answer your questions, no longer is Erika claiming to be too busy, or too consumed with grief to respond, no longer demanding that CO appear in person in Phoenix, instead Erika meets in person in Nashville.

Now CO says that all of her questions were addressed and she'll have a show today talking about it.