And add to that prayer that Owens and her husband become born again and she will stop her hatred of the Jews
Charlie Kirk - so what now ?
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And add to that prayer that Owens and her husband become born again and she will stop her hatred of the Jews
I think it's a mistake if she's totally alone. I would have someone to sit in on it for sure. Hopefully something useful will come out of it though.
Either way not sure how other than “gossip” this adds any value to Charlie’s memory.
Yep,
“If you believe in something, you need to have the courage to fight for those ideas — not run away from them or try and silence them.” Charlie Kirk
“When you deliberately distort and selectively present the truth, you lie.” Charlie Kirk
I know the accusations have flown both ways on this, from TPUSA towards CO and from CO towards TPUSA. Let's all pray that anyone who has deliberately distorted or selectively presented the truth will confess and repent.
“Many textbooks fail to present students with both sides of an issue.” Charlie Kirk
I think this thread has done a decent job of presenting both sides of the issue. (Grade B+)
“One of the most horrifying and surprising evolutions we have witnessed … is the rapid movement away from tolerating opposing ideas and respectful debate.” Charlie Kirk
I think mostly we have tolerated opposing ideas and had respectful debate. There are a few exceptions on this thread, but they are essentially irrelevant posts that can easily be ignored. (Grade B-)
“Your voice matters. Don’t stay silent when you know the truth.” Charlie Kirk
Let's hope this is the attitude every contributor has made to this thread. Obviously since the opinions are diametrically opposed some of us will be wrong in the end, give us the grace to realize any mistakes made, learn from them and repent of anything we did that led to that mistake. (Grade to be determined)
“Stand firm in your beliefs, but always listen with respect.” Charlie Kirk
I think it is clear we can't give an A to the entire thread on this point. Not everyone has listened with respect. So the grades would go all the way from a possible A to a definite F in this category, at least that is how I see it. (Grade A)
"Argue ideas, not people." Charlie Kirk
This is one that there are many F's to be handed out. Attacking Candace Owens as a "grifter" is to argue the people, not the ideas. (Grades vary by the different posters)
"Never let anyone silence your voice, even when it’s unpopular." Charlie Kirk
This is the most confusing to me, why is anyone on this thread wanting to silence people? To be fair this attitude can be traced directly to Erika Kirk who publicly has tried to silence Candace Owens. If someone sees these things very differently than I do I want to hear from them, how did they come to such a different conclusion. For example, @Eli1 said that he didn't listen to any of the videos I posted, so that was very helpful to me to understand why he disagreed with them.
As a general response I would say: using Charlie Kirk as a benchmark to measure your flat earth ideas or other conspiracies whatever they are is what makes one a clown factor in the play.
This is why no one should take a clown seriously.
No one should be obligated to “prove you wrong” when you say “The Jews control the world” or whatever people say on a daily basis.
My opinion on this is that gossip provides no value in someone’s death and it doesn’t honor their memory but this is America where all ideas needs to be laid bare.
The lunatic, the good, the bad and the ugly.
This is why no one should take a clown seriously.
No one should be obligated to “prove you wrong” when you say “The Jews control the world” or whatever people say on a daily basis.
My opinion on this is that gossip provides no value in someone’s death and it doesn’t honor their memory but this is America where all ideas needs to be laid bare.
The lunatic, the good, the bad and the ugly.
No, you don't get to walk this back. It's too late. If you think you can do damage control now by claiming TPUSA answered all your questions, so no harm, no foul - not a chance.
You chose the side that concocted smears and horrific accusations against a murdered man's wife, family, and friends WHILE THEY ARE GRIEVING and without verified evidence. You sided with those who spout theories, rumors, and gossip FOR MONEY, ENTERTAINMENT, AND FAME. You actively participated in all of it. You chose to belittle and denigrate anyone who disagreed with you on factual, moral and Biblical principles.
That is who you are, no one should forget it.
I don't follow Erika Kirk or TPUSA, and it doesn't matter. If these attacks had been launched publicly against someone else without solid evidence, I would say the same thing. If the accusations were true, they should have been taken to authorities IN PRIVATE rather than dragged through the court of public opinion to entertain the masses. This is a deadly serious federal case, not some cosplay event to boost your ego because you think you've got 'super special insider knowledge'.
By all means, though, continue beclowning yourself.
If you have an issue with something I have posted by all means refer to the offending post and let me see what my comment was that offends you.
That said they have not yet had their livestream, and it is a very big "if" for them to answer all of the questions asked as they have dodged them up to this point. But I am hopeful, why shouldn't I be. Also, many of the questions involve lies that have been told by TPUSA, so the answering of those questions would potentially hold various staff members of TPUSA responsible for lies told.
I have not walked anything back. I have asked questions and it has been my hope that they would answer those questions and that is still my hope.
Yeah she's cattholik so she hallucinates often thinking she can talk to the dead and stuff.
If Candace Owens said the sky is blue, you'd better go outside and verify because she is void of truth
Those that know God's Word know that Jesus will split the Mount of Olives when He touches down on it during His physical return
Few statements have ever been made that are more ridiculous. Modern day Israel is not going to fall, hide and watch!
The Lord is personally responsible for raising up modern day Israel and He has been protecting them ever since. He foretold centuries ago that He would raise the nation of Israel back up and He did exactly that.
If you knew history starting in 1948 going forward you would understand that Israel has stood against insurmountable odds that without the supernatural help of the Lord they never would have made it to 1950 much less continue until today
Those bigots who are racists towards the Jews are being influenced by demons and have not the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.
They don't know the Lord said the descendants of Abraham are beloved of the Father (in the Book of Hebrews) will continue to be racists towards the Jews as they must follow their master the devil who is their spiritual father
1Corinthians 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
You said this, and the reality is I have not presented any theories, all I have are questions.
The only theory out there is that Tyler Robinson was a the soler person involved in the assassination and I have questions about that.
Now you're just being a demritorious trashposter.Like wondering why everyone is not a follower of Candace Owens?
Nailed it! She's gone past the rabbit hole now she's off the reservation. This is a woman I used to think was intelligent.
There is a reason the Muslims have put a grave at the exact spot Jesus will return.
Thanks for posting there's a whole lot of Biblical truth there. Unfortunately, even here, quite a few don't believe it.
I agree, my questions are based on verifiable facts. Eyewitness accounts, video footage, expert testimony about a 30-06 impact on the neck bone, contradictory testimony by people who work for TPUSA, etc.
For example we have several people who have gone on the record saying that Charlie Kirk contacted them saying he thought "they were going to kill him" prior to this event in Utah. Erika Kirk has said on a CBS interview that she has Charlie's phone and he didn't say that.
Now for her to say this I assume she went through all his texts and emails.
So my question is this, is she saying these people who have testified that he did are liars, or is she saying that Charlie said something but they misunderstood? It seems from the CBS interview that she was saying the latter. OK, show us the text or email and explain to us what he meant? Simple request. If you need to redact someone's name from the chain, that is fine.
Not in the least. The things she says are outrageous. She's turned on half her supporters and her fellow podcasters with a lick of sense are pulling away from her. She's turned into a grifter. All kinds of people were personal friends with Charlie, Owens is the only one that managed to make herself, not his widow or his children or his staff that took his dead body to the hospital, she took the spotlight and trained it on herself. I'm hoping she will let Erika grieve and shut up. Tinfoil hat time is over.
No, these are my questions:Like wondering why everyone is not a follower of Candace Owens?
We are discussing the evidence.
Summary of what we know so far
Here are questions and facts concerning the assassination.
1. The Feds say a 30-06 bullet severed Charlies spine in his neck.
The feds making an official statement is evidence that can be entered in court.
So then we are discussing this evidence: it would seem to be absurd because if that bullet had severed the spine it would have decapitated Charlie. So this is the first very big question. Why would they be disingenuous about this?
2. How was it that security did not see this man on the roof with a gun?
This is also evidence. The claim is he was on a roof 200 yards away and shot Charlie from that position. TPUSA admits Charlie had security. So either they saw this man and did nothing or they didn't see him. Either way it looks very bad for them, but seeing him and not doing anything is much worse. Better to be incompetent than evil. So we are discussing this evidence, which we have video tape of, wondering how could this be.
3. How was this man able to walk away after shooting Charlie while carrying a rifle?
This also is in evidence. The rifle they say he used to shoot Charlie was found in a park a very good distance from the campus. How did it get there? Another question about the evidence.
4. TPUSA is a very powerful political organization. Donald Trump and several other politicians gave this organization credit for getting him elected.
This is also evidence, these statements were made during the memorial service in Phoenix, and as that was streamed around the world we have millions of witnesses and recordings of this.
5. As a result of this assassination Erika Kirk became the CEO of TPUSA.
Once again, this is evidence. Certainly can be entered into a court of Law.
6. Also, immediately after this assassination, after Erika Kirk took control she canceled the full audit that Charlie had scheduled because of concerns over how the money donated to this non profit was being spent.
This is based on testimony from those inside the company who for obvious reasons want to remain anonymous. But if this were ever to get to court they could testify there.
7. Charlie’s mom and sister both feel something is wrong with Erika and have said so. This is why they refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.
Once again, a fact that they did not come to the Memorial and have publicly stated that they felt something was wrong with Erika.
8. Charlie’s father also refused to come to the Memorial in Phoenix.
9. Some of the long time donors to TPUSA have frozen their donations after the audit was cancelled because of the lack of transparency.
10. Erika Kirk has direct links to the military industrial complex, her father is an executive for Raytheon and was instrumental in the building of Israel’s Iron Dome and her mother runs a company based in Arizona that receives military contracts. Erika herself ran a charity out of Romania called “Romanian Angels” for orphans. She also knew Trump prior to meeting Charlie because she was in his beauty pageants.
11. Erika Kirk was on Jesse Watters show and was interviewed, He asked her if she thought the person that was in custody was the one who killed her husband and was solely responsible. She refused to answer that question saying only that she trusts the investigators will find the truth.
12. The director of the FBI was also asked and said it was an ongoing investigation, they have not closed it yet and they are not claiming anything more than that the man in custody was involved. So neither Erika nor the FBI director are claiming the man in custody is the one who killed Charlie, they are not claiming the investigation is over, they are not even claiming they know who killed Charlie.
I really don't care how you or anybody else feels about Candace, this thread isn't really even about candace. You and the others coming onto a news thread and de-railing conversation with your logical fallacies and bad faith arguments is bad form.
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