What must I do to be saved

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No, I cite the website as OUR resource and as my beliefs shared most fully, as God tells us to do in 1 Pet. 3:15.
It is "ours" because I invite everyone to submit items for adding to it where appropriate.
I share parts of our website in the threads I sponsor.
 
No, I cite the website as OUR resource and as my beliefs shared most fully, as God tells us to do in 1 Pet. 3:15.
It is "ours" because I invite everyone to submit items for adding to it where appropriate.
I share parts of our website in the threads I sponsor.
It's not "mine" in any way. Maybe just participate in other threads or don't comment on them at all. Also, you link to your website in other threads against CC rules. Hence, you make it all about you.
 
Not quite ready to get into debate just yet but this is an interesting thought will have to did a little deeper into this son.

I'm sorry I misunderstood .

I thought you had a sincere question and didn't join the forum to debate. 90%+ Are preachers who do this to push works based salvation based upon the obedience of their own efforts.
 
I have heard many teaching differing on the answer to this question. Being I am new here I was hoping to get the feel of the board as to how each would answer this, so being I could not find a thread currently on this topic I chose to bring it up so as to get a feel of the boards views.
If there is already a thread dealing with topic please pint me in that direct so I can view or we can start over in this one.

Faith alone is not sufficient for salvation. Who says so? Jesus. Matt 7:21. James further tells us faith is brought to completion by works. 2:22. If faith alone was sufficient, e definition, it wouldnt need completion.
 
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It's not "mine" in any way. Maybe just participate in other threads or don't comment on them at all. Also, you link to your website in other threads against CC rules. Hence, you make it all about you.

Actually, my desire is to make it about us, but you make it all about YOU by falsely accusing me of making it all about me.
Ironic, huh?
 
...As for me I am thinking along these line an feel I can produce the scripture to show the reason I lean in this manner.
Precious friend @Biilybob65, God Would Have us "Study" (2 Timothy 2:15 AV), thus nothing
wrong with "producing Scripture" for what we believe. Now with that in mind, we do have a
couple of options to prayerfully / Carefully consider "which Exactly is 'For us' Today"? - ready?:

Borrowed from: I have decided to follow Jesus?:

A) In God's prophecy program, for Israel, Christ, on earth Taught:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish​
+​
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)​
+​
3) be water baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;​
+​
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,​
+​
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
+​
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)​
+​
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

B) In God's Other Mystery Program, For The Body Of Christ, He Taught From Heaven:

1) Have repentance toward God (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!")​
+​
2) Have faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21), and trust/believe The Gospel​
Of The Grace Of God: His Death ( ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross ), Burial, And​
Resurrection, According To The Scripture (Ephesians 2:5-9; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)​
+​
3) Acknowledge I am Spiritually Baptized By The ONE Baptism Of The Holy Spirit​
Into The ONE (Spiritual Organism) Body Of Christ, Seated In the Heavenlies

( continued here: I have decided to follow Jesus?)​

Question is, which should I choose, Correct? or:

option C) Somehow, with much of man's theological help, somehow homogenize these
into one harmonious system of salvation??? C)onfusion, eh?​

Amen.

Further study on this Eternally Important Subject:

Undiluted Wrath And Undiluted Grace!
+
Agreement With The Gospel?

And, again: Amen.
 
Actually, my desire is to make it about us, but you make it all about YOU by falsely accusing me of making it all about me.
Ironic, huh?
It's not a false accusation. Your own words make it true. You simply refuse to own up to it. Also, I've already explained why I didn't participate in your threads.
 
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I have heard many teaching differing on the answer to this question. Being I am new here I was hoping to get the feel of the board as to how each would answer this, so being I could not find a thread currently on this topic I chose to bring it up so as to get a feel of the boards views.
If there is already a thread dealing with topic please pint me in that direct so I can view or we can start over in this one.

I asked AI for a simple explanation of the gospel from the N.T.

Using the N.T only.

I also asked AI to define what is not the true gospel.

Here is what AI had to say.

I. The Gospel — Defined by the New Testament
1. The Gospel is a message to be believed, not performed

Mark 1:14–15


“Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”​

John 3:16


“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”​

John 6:28–29


“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”​

2. The Gospel is the proclamation of what Christ has done

1 Corinthians 15:1–4


“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you…
that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”​

This passage is the only place where Paul explicitly says: “I declare unto you the gospel” — and then defines it.


3. The Gospel is justification by faith apart from works

Romans 1:16–17


“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth
The just shall live by faith.”​

Romans 3:28


“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”​

Romans 4:4–5


“Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”​

4. The Gospel is grace, not conditional exchange

Ephesians 2:8–9


“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.”​

Titus 3:5


Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us…”​

5. The Gospel gives life now, not probation

John 5:24


“He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”​

Romans 8:1


“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus…”​

Summary — The Gospel (NT definition)

Christ died for sins, was buried, and rose again.
Salvation is given freely by grace, received by faith alone,
apart from works, law-keeping, moral reform, or added conditions.​

II. False Gospels — As Identified by Scripture

The New Testament does not leave this vague. It explicitly names distortions of the gospel.


1. Jesus + Law (legalism)

Galatians 2:16


“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ…”​

Galatians 5:4


“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”​

Galatians 3:10


“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse…”​

2. Jesus + Works (merit-based salvation)

Romans 11:6


“And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.”​

Ephesians 2:9


Not of works, lest any man should boast.”​

3. Jesus + Human righteousness / obedience

Romans 10:3–4


“For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”​

4. Jesus + Behavioral Reform as a condition for salvation

Galatians 3:2–3


“Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?”​

Colossians 2:20–23


“Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ… why… are ye subject to ordinances…
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom… but are not of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.”​

5. Jesus + Love as a requirement for justification

Love is fruit, not the gospel itself.


Galatians 5:22–23


“But the fruit of the Spirit is love…”​

Romans 5:5


“The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.”​

The Spirit is received by faith, not by producing love first:


Galatians 3:14


“That we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”​

6. Any addition at all = “another gospel”

Galatians 1:6–9


“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ
let him be accursed.”​

III. Final Scriptural Conclusion

The Gospel


Christ + nothing
Faith + grace
Gift, not wage
Belief, not probation​

Anything added


Law
Works
Moral reform
Performance
Conditions
= “Another gospel”

2 Corinthians 11:4


“For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached… ye might well bear with him.”​
 
I'm sorry I misunderstood .

I thought you had a sincere question and didn't join the forum to debate. 90%+ Are preachers who do this to push works based salvation based upon the obedience of their own efforts.

Even John the Baptist who first baptized believers who were saved, had a message expressing the gospel of grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

Mark 1:4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Luke 3:3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

What was his preaching and what were the people to repent (change their minds) about?

Acts 19:4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

This agrees with Johns gospel that uses the word "Believe"(s,th,d,ing) exactly 💯 times in the traditional text.

John the Baptist never taught the work of righteousness, baptism, as a requirement for salvation. He baptized those who expressed belief/faith in Jesus Christ.

To place ones faith just 1% in their obedience to baptism disqualifies them for everything life.
 
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I asked AI for a simple explanation of the gospel from the N.T.

Using the N.T only.

I also asked AI to define what is not the true gospel.

Here is what AI had to say.

I. The Gospel — Defined by the New Testament
1. The Gospel is a message to be believed, not performed

Mark 1:14–15


“Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,​
and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”​

John 3:16


“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”​

John 6:28–29


“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”​

2. The Gospel is the proclamation of what Christ has done

1 Corinthians 15:1–4


“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you…​
that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”​

This passage is the only place where Paul explicitly says: “I declare unto you the gospel” — and then defines it.


3. The Gospel is justification by faith apart from works

Romans 1:16–17


“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth…​
The just shall live by faith.”​

Romans 3:28


“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”​

Romans 4:4–5


“Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.​
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”​

4. The Gospel is grace, not conditional exchange

Ephesians 2:8–9


“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:​
Not of works, lest any man should boast.”​

Titus 3:5


Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us…”​

5. The Gospel gives life now, not probation

John 5:24


“He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”​

Romans 8:1


“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus…”​

Summary — The Gospel (NT definition)

Christ died for sins, was buried, and rose again.​
Salvation is given freely by grace, received by faith alone,​
apart from works, law-keeping, moral reform, or added conditions.​

II. False Gospels — As Identified by Scripture

The New Testament does not leave this vague. It explicitly names distortions of the gospel.


1. Jesus + Law (legalism)

Galatians 2:16


“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ…”​

Galatians 5:4


“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”​

Galatians 3:10


“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse…”​

2. Jesus + Works (merit-based salvation)

Romans 11:6


“And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace.”​

Ephesians 2:9


Not of works, lest any man should boast.”​

3. Jesus + Human righteousness / obedience

Romans 10:3–4


“For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.​
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”​

4. Jesus + Behavioral Reform as a condition for salvation

Galatians 3:2–3


“Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?​
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?”​

Colossians 2:20–23


“Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ… why… are ye subject to ordinances…​
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom… but are not of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.”​

5. Jesus + Love as a requirement for justification

Love is fruit, not the gospel itself.


Galatians 5:22–23


“But the fruit of the Spirit is love…”​

Romans 5:5


“The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.”​

The Spirit is received by faith, not by producing love first:


Galatians 3:14


“That we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”​

6. Any addition at all = “another gospel”

Galatians 1:6–9


“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:​
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ…​
let him be accursed.”​

III. Final Scriptural Conclusion

The Gospel


Christ + nothing​
Faith + grace​
Gift, not wage​
Belief, not probation​

Anything added


Law​
Works​
Moral reform​
Performance​
Just a quick note note on this. I too ask AI several biblical question and serval Conditions​
= “Another gospel”

2 Corinthians 11:4


“For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached… ye might well bear with him.”​
Just a quick note on AI. I too asked AI several biblical questions and got several different answer depending on the way I asked the question. AI has conflicting views and can be lead in different view point to come up with the answer you desire.
 
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Sorry, Spell correct changed my "everlasting Life" to "everything life."


One more point on the subject.

When does someone receive the indwelling of and spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit?
A. While lost and in need of salvation?
B. When the person receives the gift of everlasting life?
 
I'm sorry I misunderstood .

I thought you had a sincere question and didn't join the forum to debate. 90%+ Are preachers who do this to push works based salvation based upon the obedience of their own efforts.
Debate is another way of say in depth study for iron doth sharpen iron and gets you to dig deep into scripture to show your supporting scriptures to back your view otherwise it is mans view if scripture doesn't back you up. We are to speak the oracles of God not what we think it means or wish it meant.
 
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Sorry, Spell correct changed my "everlasting Life" to "everything life."


One more point on the subject.

When does someone receive the indwelling of and spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit?
A. While lost and in need of salvation?
B. When the person receives the gift of everlasting life?
Scripture will answer this if you really want to see what scripture says on the matter because according to the way you asked you do not fully understand what scripture teaches on this subject.
 
Precious friend @Biilybob65, God Would Have us "Study" (2 Timothy 2:15 AV), thus nothing
wrong with "producing Scripture" for what we believe. Now with that in mind, we do have a
couple of options to prayerfully / Carefully consider "which Exactly is 'For us' Today"? - ready?:

Borrowed from: I have decided to follow Jesus?:

A) In God's prophecy program, for Israel, Christ, on earth Taught:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish​
+​
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)​
+​
3) be water baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;​
+​
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,​
+​
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
+​
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)​
+​
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

B) In God's Other Mystery Program, For The Body Of Christ, He Taught From Heaven:

1) Have repentance toward God (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!")​
+​
2) Have faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21), and trust/believe The Gospel​
Of The Grace Of God: His Death ( ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross ), Burial, And​
Resurrection, According To The Scripture (Ephesians 2:5-9; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)​
+​
3) Acknowledge I am Spiritually Baptized By The ONE Baptism Of The Holy Spirit​
Into The ONE (Spiritual Organism) Body Of Christ, Seated In the Heavenlies

( continued here: I have decided to follow Jesus?)​

Question is, which should I choose, Correct? or:

option C) Somehow, with much of man's theological help, somehow homogenize these
into one harmonious system of salvation??? C)onfusion, eh?​

Amen.

Further study on this Eternally Important Subject:

Undiluted Wrath And Undiluted Grace!
+
Agreement With The Gospel?

And, again: Amen.
You really need help to distinguish between what you posted because believe it or not they all run together somewhat to bring the gospel of Christ to life. There is a lot to go through here and f I find time I will help you sort out the truth from scripture.
 
Even John the Baptist who first baptized believers who were saved, had a message expressing the gospel of grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

Mark 1:4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Luke 3:3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

What was his preaching and what were the people to repent (change their minds) about?

Acts 19:4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

This agrees with Johns gospel that uses the word "Believe"(s,th,d,ing) exactly 💯 times in the traditional text.

John the Baptist never taught the work of righteousness, baptism, as a requirement for salvation. He baptized those who expressed belief/faith in Jesus Christ.

To place ones faith just 1% in their obedience to baptism disqualifies them for everything life.
Can you tell me the difference between the baptism of John and that of the one of Christ that came after John?
 
Precious friend @Biilybob65, God Would Have us "Study" (2 Timothy 2:15 AV), thus nothing
wrong with "producing Scripture" for what we believe. Now with that in mind, we do have a
couple of options to prayerfully / Carefully consider "which Exactly is 'For us' Today"? - ready?:

Borrowed from: I have decided to follow Jesus?:

A) In God's prophecy program, for Israel, Christ, on earth Taught:

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish​
+​
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Mat 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14,15)​
+​
3) be water baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mar 1:4 Luk 3:3, 7:29:30, 24:47;​
+​
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Mat 3:8), because,​
+​
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead"
+​
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Mat 19:17)​
+​
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

B) In God's Other Mystery Program, For The Body Of Christ, He Taught From Heaven:

1) Have repentance toward God (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!")​
+​
2) Have faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21), and trust/believe The Gospel​
Of The Grace Of God: His Death ( ALL-Sufficient Work On The Cross ), Burial, And​
Resurrection, According To The Scripture (Ephesians 2:5-9; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4)​
+​
3) Acknowledge I am Spiritually Baptized By The ONE Baptism Of The Holy Spirit​
Into The ONE (Spiritual Organism) Body Of Christ, Seated In the Heavenlies

( continued here: I have decided to follow Jesus?)​

Question is, which should I choose, Correct? or:

option C) Somehow, with much of man's theological help, somehow homogenize these
into one harmonious system of salvation??? C)onfusion, eh?​

Amen.

Further study on this Eternally Important Subject:

Undiluted Wrath And Undiluted Grace!
+
Agreement With The Gospel?

And, again: Amen.
Are you saying there is a gospel for the Jews and another for the gentiles?
 
Can you tell me the difference between the baptism of John and that of the one of Christ that came after John?


Jesus had no sins, so we know that the purpose of water baptism (immersion) was not to save.
Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. It was like so many things, a work of righteousness.

Matthew 3:13. Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

You might already know this, but I point it out for those who don't use the traditional text:
Suffer means allow in the Elizabethan rather than to experience pain.
 
Debate is another way of say in depth study for iron doth sharpen iron and gets you to dig deep into scripture to show your supporting scriptures to back your view otherwise it is mans view if scripture doesn't back you up. We are to speak the oracles of God not what we think it means or wish it meant.


Sorry if I misjudged you.
I get sceptical when questions on salvation arise and learn that someone is a preacher.
We get a lot of preachers who join to bring dissention, knowing this is an evangelical forum that's primarily grace based. They go through the cycle of stirring things up until they're eventually banned and then return under another alias.
I'm personally not into debating. My desire is to focus on helping bless and lead others to Christ. Someone cared enough to take the time and effort to do that for me, so I'm supposed to pass that forward.