Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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I dont know Greek or anchient Greek. I will trust God's word isint fooled by a man's inability to translate the word if. When he wrote it in English. The language i understand.

Translations are primarily based upon baby Christians just being introduced to Scripture.
For that reason.. It can not get too technically involved.

The best rendering is found when you find a good pastor who knows the original languages.
God will lead someone into finding such a teacher if God knows their desire for truth is for the right reason.
 
The fact God starts with IF tells us that everyone can understand the Gospel because Jesus said whosoever believes will be Saved.
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of
the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


This verse clearly illustrates the gospel is blinded to people with inner darkness

Same as this

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


The word if means whether your a believer or an unbeliever,


I really don't know how much you could even argue against these scriptures, there as clear as the daylight.

The fact that you are really just shows your stubbornness, in not admitting your error, which clearly now is in error, as you asked for a second scripture to back it up, you've been shown what you asked for, and you still argue the toss, unbelievable
 
I think you may want to re-read it: And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

A gift that must be accepted through your own believing, and accepting/believing is not meritorious or grounds for boasting of working to earn salvation.
 
This is true, and He gives us a new heart, also!

I wonder that any believe faith can grow from an incurably wicked heart.

Jesus said it was impossible.

But it is part of the reason why they deny what Scripture says of man.

It is another denial of that which is clearly stated in Scripture.
 
yeah, the "if" is there because "it IS hid to them that are lost" and is not hid to those who aren't lost, hence, the "if".
The reason we know this is by the "in whom the god of this world HATH blinded the minds of them which believe not"
and by the "lest the light of the glorious gospel hath blinded" and "SHOULD shine unto them" if not for the god of this word

[2Co 4:3-4 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

@lrs68

I mistyped my quote of the verse. Instead of ""lest the light of the glorious gospel hath blinded"
I should have typed "least the light of the glorious gospel of Christ"
 
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Jesus declares in John 11:25 of those who believe in Him, "...though he were dead, yet shall he live," and when placed next to God's declaration in Genesis 2:17 regarding eating from the tree, that some have explained as saying, "... in dying you will die."
These are peculiarly reflective one of the other. One saying, "in dying you will die," and the Other saying, "... in dying you will live."
And, placing Hebrews 2:15 of those in bondage against Matthew 16:25, among others saying the same, we all die with the only difference being dying in fear or dying in faith. :unsure:
 
yeah, the "if" is there because "it IS hid to them that are lost" and is not hid to those who aren't lost, hence, the "if".
The reason we know this is by the "in whom the god of this world HATH blinded the minds of them which believe not"
and by the "lest the light of the glorious gospel hath blinded" and "SHOULD shine unto them" if not for the god of this word

[2Co 4:3-4 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
You need to speak to someone who can explain that you are just making this is because IF alone changes everything and sadly the whole world knows this but somehow you are incapable of knowing this truth.
 
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of
the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


This verse clearly illustrates the gospel is blinded to people with inner darkness

Same as this

But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


The word if means whether your a believer or an unbeliever,


I really don't know how much you could even argue against these scriptures, there as clear as the daylight.

The fact that you are really just shows your stubbornness, in not admitting your error, which clearly now is in error, as you asked for a second scripture to back it up, you've been shown what you asked for, and you still argue the toss, unbelievable
And even if our gospel is veiled....


Do you notice Paul doesn't say that it is veiled.

He uses IF because it's not veiled but if was then it would mean this.
 
And even if our gospel is veiled....


Do you notice Paul doesn't say that it is veiled.

He uses IF because it's not veiled but if was then it would mean this.
your still saying if what about where it says it is veiled

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
Does it is veiled mean if is excluded ?
 
You need to speak to someone who can explain that you are just making this is because IF alone changes everything and sadly the whole world knows this but somehow you are incapable of knowing this truth.

You're completely wrong. And you apparently don't know the meaning of "it is"
 
Paul DOESN'T Say it is veiled!!

Paul said IF

That means IT IS NOT VEILED!
you never answered the question I'm just checking how far your prepared to go with your denial in favour of your pride by asking you the simplest of question

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing


The question again does it is veiled rule out if it's veiled

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel
 
Scripture says, the world cannot receive the spirit of truth. Your view is, it can. Scripture says the man of flesh (unregenerated) cannot submit to or obey God. Your view, and the view of free willers, is he can. Scripture says the natural man cannot receive the spiritual things of God. Your view, and the view of free willers, is, he can. Scripture says the natural man cannot understand the spiritual things of God. Your view, and the view of free willers, is, he can. Scripture says a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. Your view, and the view of free willers, is, it can. Scripture says the natural man is opposed to the spiritual things of God. Your view, and the view of free willers, is, he is not. Scripture says the gospel is hid. Your view is, the gospel is not hid. Jesus said not everyone hears. Your view is, everyone hears. Scripture says flesh serves the law of sin and brings forth fruit unto death. Your view is, the flesh can choose to make a decision a plethora of Scriptures say it cannot, to please God and bring forth fruit unto life. Scripture says the devil has taken people captive to do his will. Your view, and the view of free willers, is, man has a will that is free. Scripture says no man can come to God unless God draws them. Your view is, divine intervention is not necessary. Your view is, man has everything he needs to come to believe. Scripture makes plain certain things are only known through the Spirit and revelation which you continually denigrate. Scripture shows over and over again from Genesis all the way through to Revelation that God reveals Himself differently from one person to the next. Your view is, God is unfair if He were to reveal Himself in any way differently from one person to the next. Your view is those you disagree with should preach in cemeteries, then you lie about conflating spiritual death with physical death. Your view is to not only blaspheme God yourself, but agree with those who blaspheme God in other ways. Along with other free willers, you come across as despising God's sovereignty, and call Him doing things for His own purposes doing them "for no good reason." No matter how you look at it, your theological stance on this issue directly contradicts and outright denies what the Bible explicitly articulates in a number of places, and you are not likely to change it any time soon because to bring your view into line with what Scripture actually teaches would bring your whole house of cards down, and demolish your vain self-exalting stance. You cannot have that, since you are far too attached to your ear-tickling doctrine. One could even say you were in love with it. You certainly love it more than the Truth of Scripture.

You misrepresent Scripture so very often, and not only Scripture, but the views of others, your own self, and also the record of history, because you love your logical fallacies as much as your falsehoods. And we have never seen you beg forgiveness for your repeated false depictions of what the Bile says, as you claim those you oppose should do, or even for blaspheming God, which you have done a number of times... no apologies there, no begging forgiveness, not even saying you should not have said the things you have, no acknowledgement that you are so glaringly obviously wrong one could be excused for thinking you had not even ever read the Bible to begin with before making your proclamations. No, instead you claim you are defending God's character, even as you support others who shamelessly blaspheme God. When you are corrected, when you contradict and deny what the Bible explicitly articulates, and it is pointed out to you again and again what it actually says, you simply repeat what you have been saying all along, and tell us relevant verses have been taken out of context, and that parallel verses are irrelevant. You and your Pelagian heretic buddies contradict and outright deny much of what is explicitly stated.
"Mongo only pawn in game of life" .
-Mongo

Is that what you are trying to say?
Sorry, but Christians do not grovel before vain Augustinian philosophy. We leave that to the hapless Calvinists while we revel in the freedom gifted to us by Christ Jesus.
 
you never answered the question I'm just checking how far your prepared to go with your denial in favour of your pride by asking you the simplest of question

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing


The question again does it is veiled rule out if it's veiled

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel
I understand completely and once agreed until one day studying and noticed the word IF.

I broke down the Greek, read commentary from translators, scholars, Theologians, those who still speak Greek language.

The word IF is there because everyone has a chance to believe so it's not hidden.

I'm studying now how long apart was Romans 1 written compared to 2 Corinthians because those in Romans 1 who knew God and rejected God and God gave them a reprobate mind would not be able to understand the Gospel.
 
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Nothing else matters because God begins the Verse with IF.

God did that.

Understand?

No, I don't understand because you're completely wrong so there is nothing there to be understood. But I would expect that kind of absurd reply from you. FYI God wrote the rest of that verse, with the "it is" included in it. He also wrote the next verse too. Must be nice to be able to rearrange Scripture to satisfy your preferences. Not all of us would try that - given that it was ALL written by God.
 
I understand completely and once agreed until one day studying and noticed the word IF.

I broke down the Greek, read commentary from translators, scholars, Theologians, those who still speak Greek language.

The word IF is there because everyone has a chance to believe so it's not hidden.

I'm studying now how long apart was Romans 1 written compared to 2 Corinthians because those in Romans 1 who knew God and rejected God and God gave them a reprobate mind would not be able to understand the Gospel.
all these verses go togeather in the same context

2 Corinthians 4:3-4

John 1:5

John 3:18

Ephesians 4:18

Matthew 6:23