Charlie Kirk - so what now ?

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It already has several times. It will fall if God wants it to; and only if he wants it to.

This whole “The Jews” angle is not very entertaining either and it has also become sort of b-rated material.

Here’s my recap version of this as I’ve listened to different things over decades.

You have one group of people who think that having a Jewish passport means that you will go to Heaven.
I’m not gonna argue with a person who thinks that even tho I believe they’re wrong.

You have another group of people who think that the Jews control the world. What’s the point of talking to these people either?
 
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It already has several times. It will fall if God wants it to; and only if he wants it to.
He is the One who brought back Israel and it will NOT fall as Jesus will be returning to Israel.

And FYI, it was never God's will for Israel to have even fallen at all.

It was His will that they continue being faithful to Him, so it's not God's fault they fell away and their nation was destroyed.
 
He is the One who brought back Israel and it will NOT fall as Jesus will be returning to Israel
We have no way of knowing apart from some direct revelation what will happen between now and then. Biblically, nothing prevents them from losing self-governance or suffering military defeats in between now and when prophecy unfolds.
It was His will that they continue being faithful to Him, so it's not God's fault they fell away and their nation was destroyed.
Precisely. That Assyria was "my glittering sword" did not mean he took pleasure in using it on them. Ultimately going into captivity was for the benefit of the remnant.
 
We have no way of knowing apart from some direct revelation what will happen between now and then.
Er, God's Word tells us when Jesus returns He will land on the Mount of Olives which is in Israel, so we know Israel is not going to fall

God is personally preserving Israel, hide and watch.
 
@Eli1 disagrees. So by all means, the floor is yours, can you tell us why you think the blatant lies and obfuscation does not swing the pendulum to TPUSA being the ones who are lying?

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@Eli1 disagrees with this and yet when given the floor to respond, to "prove me wrong" he hides in the corner. Seems to me this proves my point.

There is nothing to prove either way. Maybe when and if there is actual news to report, a decent coversation might be had.
 
You have another group of people who think that the Jews control the world. What’s the point of talking to these people either?
They don't control the world; but between Israel and the pro-Israel money-machines, they exercise significant political influence in the United States. That's not all bad, but we need to measure that influence because it's not all good either.
 
Being paid to disrupt is a possibility. You did hear about Operation Mockingpastor, where pastors were getting paid to give a negative mention of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson in their sermons? Those behind the propaganda operation were also paying influencers. I just ignore him - he reminds me of this meme.

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I would pay someone myself to turn off the constant negativity and bullying that goes on by ZNP with yourself and others like groupies at a rock show cheering on the lead singer.

ps I really do not care what comments you make. None of you have anything original to offer
 
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They don't control the world; but between Israel and the pro-Israel money-machines, they exercise significant political influence in the United States. That's not all bad, but we need to measure that influence because it's not all good either.

This is easily explainable too.
It’s about news coverage and it’s about showing the unconditional alliance between the two nations.

USA spends a lot of money with other nations too not just Israel.
We spend billions with Saudi Arabia … for some reason which I don’t understand yet that’s rarely covered.

Also the middle eastern conflicts is one for the most covered wars in many nations including Asia where they barely cover European news.

Yet when other genocides happen they barely make a blip in the American news.
For example when the Serbs genocided Kosovo, it barely made the coverage here in USA.
But Israel News is constant. Why? Because is an unconditional alliance! We like that and we promote it.
 
This is a straw man argument created by TPUSA to accuse Candace Owens and those questioning the government narrative. So you may well have heard the argument, but in the words of Trump, it's "fake news", presented by those trying to defend TPUSA so you don't investigate further and ask "Why are they lying?"

You folks just do not get that I and others are not interested in playing 'I spy with my little eye' with the lot of you. In easier to understand words? It's gonna land where it's gonna land and I will not be persuaded of which side it will land on.

I am wary of the whole thing. I am not an Erika Kirk fan and I never knew much about Charlie although I do think he was genuine.

I don't have a '100%' innocent call to make on Erika nor am I eager to drool over all these selectively salacious videos so generously provided by the gang leader here.

Why does it bother some of you so much that I think for myself and I am not easily persuaded? I pray about it all and my honest 'feeling' (if I might use the word) is that things are never going to be what they were (that's obvious) and perhaps something really bad is going to happen in this country. I am certainly no prophet, but it's like waiting for the other shoe to fall. I do not have peace about all of Trump's plans and his over vigorous congratulations to himself on every available opp.

I could say more, but what's the point.
 
They don't control the world; but between Israel and the pro-Israel money-machines, they exercise significant political influence in the United States. That's not all bad, but we need to measure that influence because it's not all good either.

Also here’s another response here which covers the whole “influence” angle.
The Jews have as much influence as an Italian or an Irish or any other group.
It’s a matter of perception.

https://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/why-are-jews-so-wealthy-in-the-usa.217001/#post-5396876
 
Wow! I really appreciate all the people who have posted 100+ posts on a thread that they are not engaging in and hitting one of the very many options to indicate you like a post dozens of times. Because of all your activity you have really raised the awareness of this thread and not let it simply wither on the vine. Also because of all these emojis it will help the algorithm to lead others to this forum and this thread. So once again, thank you.

Also you are proving this is not some echo chamber in a group think cult, but a place where everyone can express their opinions in a respectful way.

In a few years people will probably wonder how come everyone didn't see what was going on and this thread will show you how come they couldn't see it.
 
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“THIS Is When I Realized They Were Lying About Charlie’s Assassination!” – Candace Owens

The most compelling piece of evidence that the governments official story doesn't make sense.

Jimmy Dore gives his opinion.

Candace Owens gives her opinion.

Redacted and a US Navy Seal (the guy who killed Bin Laden) also weigh in.
 
Then how do you "disagree" if you have nothing?

You are the one with nothing. Nothing but the false bravado to act like you have/are something. Why aren't you in the news with all your proof? Or maybe on FOX as a guest persuader of conspiracy theories...for the entertainment of those who are like minded. Facts are facts and you have videos and the force of your own beliefs which mean zero, nada, nothing, a big goose egg to me.

You know, Candace is laughing all the way to the bank. What do you get out of this? :whistle:
 
In a few years people will probably wonder how come everyone didn't see what was going on and this thread will show you how come they couldn't see it.

In a few years, this country and the entire globe will be in a place where none of it matters because actual horrible things will be going on. Please remember I said so.
 
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Er, God's Word tells us when Jesus returns He will land on the Mount of Olives which is in Israel, so we know Israel is not going to fall

God is personally preserving Israel, hide and watch.
He will stand in geographical Israel, and even if man defied God and spent the absurd amount of energy it would require to level the Mount of Olives, he would raise it up again. There is guaranteed protection of a remnant of the people at any given time; but there's no guarantee for unconditional support of the present day nation-state. It could disappear tomorrow and reappear the next day.
 
Because is an unconditional alliance! We like that and we promote it.
Charlie Kirk didn't like it or promote it anymore; and a growing number of conservatives are moving in that direction; because it's not just about news cycles, but also about foreign influence in our election cycles- our "allies" obviously prefer our neoconservatives and that is a problem; because being willing to fight is the only thing they are good for. When they want to get into stupid fights, it becomes a liability- and when Democrats take power, they are the first ones to bend over.
 
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