Hello MOTB, I was first taught some of the ideas that you have expressed here. I think now that the events you speak of happened by 70 ad with the destruction of Jerusalem like Jesus said would happen in mt.24.
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Iconoclast My comment:
I suggest you read Matthew 24 and 25,, Point, there is coming a time that has never been before and never will ever be again, it is so horrendous.
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
If Jesus Christ does not intervene --- at this point, The time of the 6th Seal -- the entire world dies.
This has not happened ever in the history of man or was possible in that day.
This Time is also documented in the Old Testament, It is called "The time of Jacob's trouble.
I have read it. Jesus was explaining to those people what was going to happen to them in their lifetime. It happened to them just as Jesus said. The Nt.
I think you should read Mt.24, slowly, and understand what it actually says,
what you are advocating -- all prophecy showing everything that must occur before Christ returns to Earth, has happened.
Where then, is THE KING of Kings, He is not on the Throne of David ruling the entire earth from Jerusalem? WHY?
There are four prophecy's, plus the book of Revelation, stating there is coming a time that "has NEVER been before and never will ever be again" - that utterly destroys the entire earth.
Sorry, I trust the Word
And as my Master has commanded me, I watch and I see the entire world is about to pull the trigger on World War Three, which IS the Fourth Seal, and before the Great Tribulation (the 5th Seal) even begins --- 2 billion folks died, 25% of the 8 billion alive today --die.
again, sorry, it's apparent to me ---- you do not understand prophecy
Every one of these verses is about the second temple restoration.
Why did you not even mention it?
Jeremiah prophesied that the Israelites will be scattered abroad since they started serving other gods. That one-day God will bring them back to the land He had promised to them.
But during the Babylonians expulsion, many of the tribes of Israel had fled to other countries. But a few tribes like the tribe of Judah, Benjamin and the Levites stayed behind that were enslaved. But once Rome came into the picture and war with the stay behind Israelites, that they eventually fled Israel, leaving behind in Israel the foreign tribes that left Egypt with them like the Samaritans.
But thousands of years later, the scattered Israelites tribes started having a strong yearning to come back due to them being mistreated, never having a place they can call home. It's because God cursed them to roam until He calls them back. That's how God met Abraham. Abraham and their people before God met him were vagrants like the bush tribes of Africa, that's why they were called Hebrews which means wandering outsiders like Gypsies.
And so, God punished the Israelites by putting them back to the way He first met them.
During the time of bringing back the scattered tribes of Israel, there was one tribe that wasn't civilized that the Jews were hesitating of bringing them back because of their lack of knowledge of coping with modern society.
But civil unrest was brewing up where they were living, forcing the Jews to bring them to Israel.
and during this mission, 7 babies were born on the flights from Sudan to Israel which the number seven is symbolic for fulfillment, that it was a sign that the prophecy was finally completed.
My comment:
The apostles stated we are in the "Last days" to God a day is as 1000 years,
Christ came at about year 4000, it seem logical to see "the Last days" as the last 2000 years.
Christ died on the 14 th day of God's first month 31 AD -- add 2000 years ---- 2031 AD we are very very close.
Hello motb,
Thanks for your response.
Let me offer a bit for you to consider;
Jesus is King Of Kings right now.
Rev.11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev.19:And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
Peter Addressed the Throne of David in Acts2:
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Keep in mind that Jesus is ruling right now, as we read in Hebrews12:
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
It is the Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem, that is the Holy Place now, Because our Great Prophet, Priest, And King rules from there in the midst of His enemies. 1 Cor.15:
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
My comment
So, I am to believe you and all others and not Jesus Christ and all God's prophets?
And the Revelation's of Jesus Christ given to John??
I do not see sheep grazing with tigers, I do not see war has vanished -- in fact WW3 is coming fast, maybe even as 2026 begins.
I do not see the 12 tribes living "at peace: in Jerusalem
Jesus Christ is not sitting on the Throne of David in Jerusalem right now!
Right now, as I am writing this, things are happening in Europe that will shock the entire world.
There is a man, alive right now, that will come into power in Germany that will join with Rome and take control of the entire world
I watch money and power, I doubt you have ever heard of the "Japanese Carry Trade", which is around 20 trillion dollars, that is crashing right now and can and will crash the world's economies.
The 40,000 flavors of what is falsely called christianity is sound asleep.
Matthew 25 and the 10 virgins are directly ahead, as is the daily sacrifice and so much more.
Satan has deceived the entire world including the 40,000 flavors of confusion.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
This is not the day and hour of Christ's return BUT the day and the one Hour that "sudden destruction" that ends the United States of America. My guess it will be by an EMP.
My comment
{So, I am to believe you and all others and not Jesus Christ and all God's prophets?]
No, I believe in what Jesus said, not Hal Lindsey, and John hagee
[And the Revelation's of Jesus Christ given to John??]
No, I believe in the book of Revelation, as a revelation of Jesus Christ, not the anti Christ
[I do not see sheep grazing with tigers, I do not see war has vanished -- in fact WW3 is coming fast, maybe even as 2026 begins.]
I see the gospel continuing to grow and spread worldwide to all nations, as it says in psalm 22;
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations.
29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.
[I do not see the 12 tribes living "at peace: in Jerusalem
Jesus Christ is not sitting on the Throne of David in Jerusalem right now!]
You are looking at the wrong Jerusalem! Gal.4, paul quotes from Isa.54:
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
[Right now, as I am writing this, things are happening in Europe that will shock the entire world.
There is a man, alive right now, that will come into power in Germany that will join with Rome and take control of the entire world
I watch money and power, I doubt you have ever heard of the "Japanese Carry Trade", which is around 20 trillion dollars, that is crashing right now and can and will crash the world's economies.
The 40,000 flavors of what is falsely called christianity is sound asleep.
Matthew 25 and the 10 virgins are directly ahead, as is the daily sacrifice and so much more.
Satan has deceived the entire world including the 40,000 flavors of confusion.]
Your wild speculation does not make it so
[36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
This is not the day and hour of Christ's return BUT the day and the one Hour that "sudden destruction" that ends the United States of America. My guess it will be by an EMP.]
The great tribulation happened to earthly Jerusalem as Jesus told them it would.
Mt24:15
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
I NEVER watch or listen to any of the ministers from the "40,000 favors of confusions",, not ONE, every thing I believe comes directly from the Word of God, the Old and the New. I have has zero connection with the 40,000 my entire time on this earth and never will.
Jesus Christ IS NOT on earth ruling from Jerusalem with a Rod of Iron!
If you believe what happened in 70 AD was the Great Tribulation you are 100% deceived, that was one city , not the entire world.
but stay asleep, you will be awakened soon enough.
I see. You are yet another "prophecy expert" who knows all things, so you have all the symbols figured out,LOL
Jesus said it would happen to them,in the first century; Mt.23
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
You of course know better, right???
Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luke 9:27
But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Daniel 12
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
We are at the time of the End and at the door of the 4th Seal,,which is WW3, yes the Book was sealed, now its open.
I am not hindered by the confusion, by the false doctrines of the 40,000 as I have never been involved, never been brain washed by Satan.
Why Is Europe Feverishly Preparing For World War III?
this headline came today!
The Word state at the time of the end Satan deceives the whole world---- which of the 40,000 flavors of confusion has it right??
The beast system has to destroy the rules-based order before it can come into full power.
you are correct,, there must be huge problems, then the Beast will arise. Then it will be the Beast's rules
do you understand the Beast comes out of Germany? The Father land will join with the Mother Church and rule the world.
I know the antichrist will come out of the EU, but you think Germany specifically? You might be right. Because one of the animals of the beast is the leopard which represents Germany. But there are other animals, so why Germany? I'm asking because I am getting the impression that it might be, but that's not good for me to just go on that. I need something more concrete from the Bible - you might have able to see it so please give me your reason for thinking so.
I've been reading "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William L. Shirer to have some idea of how Hitler came to power and duped his nation into following him into the second worst time in history (the first will be the great tribulation that Jesus predicted is still to come). I'm learning a lot about his mindset - it's very violent and hateful, but cunning in politics too. He recognized the people he can use, and butter them up until he didn't need them anymore. I think the antichrist will be like that too.
There's also the people - very prideful for some reason maybe because of their accomplishments. Could the whole world be wooed in this way too? Anyway, it's a long book. I'm still only up to the early 1930s when the Nazi party was gaining strength and Hitler is about to become chancellor.....
The current chancellor of Germany is Fredrich Merz, but we should also look at the leaders of the EU and their MPs. The next election for them is in 2029. If the antichrist is revealed in the early 2030s, he is probably in this group.
