Charlie Kirk - so what now ?
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This is a good premise, and normally how things should go; but the Trump Administration and TPUSA exploited this incident to create a political narrative in a very public way and spent a lot of money doing it. They're actually the ones who brought it to the court of public opinion in the first place. And since this is such a politically charged incident, many will not trust the FBI, or the State of Utah to be objective. They're not legally obligated to share information with the public; but it behooves them to do so if they want to retain the public trust.
Yes, they didn't have to respond to the public. When CO and others asked who McCoy was on the phone to they could have said that FBI is investigating, direct all questions to them. But they didn't. Ericka said that she was called by McCoy right at the time CK was shot, she even gave the time of the call as being that call. That would have been it except there was a lot of video footage and so they have multiple views of McCoy that showed he called the number prior to but almost precisely as CK was being shot and while everyone else is responding to him being shot he is simply turning his back and walking away. So then TPUSA says he wasn't calling Erika, he was posting videos of the crowd. This could have been a simple misunderstanding except Erika was very precise in the time of the call, so we know it is this call. Second the video shows the phone to his ear. If he were posting videos and photos of the event he would have been holding the phone in front of his face. So we know that what TPUSA said after people began questioning his phone call to tell Erika CK had been shot was false, it was a lie. Why would they lie? Well if it weren't for the video footage McCoy calling Erika after CK had been shot would have been normal. But the video footage shows he called Erika before CK was shot to tell her that CK had been shot. I think any jury in this country would find that strange and want an explanation.
Only after Erika had said what she said about the phone call and TPUSA had lied about the phone call, only then do they start saying "we don't need to talk to you"! Meaning now they need a lawyer to come up with some answer. You have the right to remain silent, that is true, but we have the right that anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law as well as in a court of public opinion.
I'm pretty sure no one is claiming Erika got Charlie murdered (although there certainly was a potential motive). Just that she has lied, as did many of the TPUSA employees, who we would presume would be telling the truth if they want the murder to be solved. And in professional murder investigations (which the FBI obviously didn't undertake), when people lie, it's often because they're hiding bigger crimes (whether the murder itself, or something else). And in most cases, lying results in further police interrogation/investigation, to understand the reason for the lie - not so this time, it would seem.
There's more to TPUSA than they have presented of themselves, (likely unknown to Charlie Kirk given the DOGE-style audit he announced in the weeks leading up to his death, and which was shut down soon after his public execution), and its not looking good.
I don't know. I have read where some think she did get Charlie murdered and knew it was going to happen. Maybe I read that online? but I do know I read that more than once
I am not making these conspiracy theories my business to check up on every day to be sure. Is she lying? Quite possible. I never really listened to CK to begin with but I do know there were questions about $. It's always about money or politics or controlling (managing) people. All told, it's quite the saga.
Candace Owens Was Right All Along – Erika Kirk’s Cell Phone Lie Collapses LIVE
Analysis of the debate over whether CK said they wanted him killed shortly before the assassination.
He brings up a very important point, the FBI should have the cell phone, not Erika. If the FBI is investigating this claim they should have CK's cell phone and be looking at every text, every email and every phone call.
This guy does the best at giving you the full saga in one video clip. Granted it is 3 hours long, but I watch at 1.5x speed so only 2 hours.
Corroborating Candace Owens on the HIGH Level Gov't Meeting the Day before Charlie Kirk Died - #28
This isn't directed at you but the theory that she killed or had her own husband killed. So they were married 4yrs, and two children later she decides to have him murdered in front of the whole country with everyone watching?! How seriously stunned is she? I mean watch any of the murder mysteries on TV and there are a million easier ways to kill your husband than that that would draw little attention, certainly not the worlds attention. It's a lot of foolishness. And it doesn't matter what the outcome of the trial is, these people won't let it go. Imagine having to keep your husbands grave a secret for fear it would be desecrated by these crazy people. smh
The court of public opinion has no power, no authority. They don't know all the details, they don't know everything the investigators are looking into. Candice Owens is a loud mouth grifter who has done everything to make this about her.
I think it is wrong to assert they are not under any obligation, they are under tremendous obligation in the interest of transparency to their donors.
A not-for-profit organization, supposedly "Christian" is answerable to the board of directors, the public it serves, and its donors/funders.
There is information that there were problems with their financial statements, some statements were not even filed along with the setting up of shell companies, CK himself asked for an audit.
E. Kirk is now the CEO she has many obligations to the supporters.
Seems like they like the part where they can make huge public memorial spectacle and make money selling merch but back off when it comes to asking questions.
Legally speaking they can choose to stay silent. CO and others have no legal basis to force them to answer the questions.
However, you are right, your donors are going to want to know the answers to these questions before they continue to donate, and the standard for a Christian ministry is much higher than for a secular ministry. We are to avoid the appearance of evil. God is not the author of confusion, so if they are giving confusing responses where Erika says one thing and TPUSA staff say something contradictory that is confusing.
Also, as an organization that collects hundreds of millions of dollars in donations you would expect the CEO to run the organization in a way that doesn't destroy its reputation. The Charlie Kirk podcast was one of the highest rated podcasts with 5 million subscribers, now it can't even break 10k views. Three months ago this was the best known ministry, pulling in incredible amounts in donations and only 3 months later its reputation has crashed and burned. This is not because people are asking tough questions, having people ask tough questions and answering them is what the Charlie Kirk show was all about. No, their reputation has been demolished because they have lied and now are refusing to answer questions about the lies they have told.
The theories out there are bat poo crazy. The news section of this forum seems to have become the conspiracy section and these kinds of things should be in the conspiracy forum and not here. I posted something a while back and it quickly became a conspiracy.
It's ridiculous. Some people thrive on that sort of thing and they should put their conspiracy hobbies in the right forum and not the news forum.
They are supposed to file their financial statements in a timely manner correct?
I would have to go back and refresh my memory but they missed a deadline for a particular statement due last May.
Yes, I would think that a "Christian" organization would function at a much higher level than meeting the basic legal requirements.
The contradictions are well documented, and not just from CO, there are many others as well, I see no point when people lash out against CO, she is far from the only voice.
Belongs in the conspiracy forum. These are not facts; they are conspiracies. If there are facts in these pages, they are hidden and overburdened by the wild wild west treatment they are getting. I'm not watching that video or any others at this point.
Three hours long? THREE HOURS LONG? LOL
Thanks but no thanks.
You know, I have been falsely accused...some real serious stuff....yrs back and you cannot defend against lies when they are repeated
over and over. I was serving in church, alot of people knew me and I was respected for being faithful and truthful.
People who should have known better ate up the lies, told by someone close to me who I would not let control or use me and told them so, and I came to the conclusion that if people who had known me for years could believe such outrageous and unsubstantiated awful things being spread about me, then I saw no use in defending myself and making a fuss. Those who knew better were fewer than the ones who ate up the lies.
Years later, it is acknowledged that I was lied about but the harm was done. So again, I don't know what is the truth here, but ZNP?
you thrive on this kind of stuff. One conspiracy after another and you make no concessions if the nonsense is found to be false. Yeah, I know all the stuff you have posted about because this isn't my first profile
You had the current monarch of England pinned for the anti-Christ and had all kinds of videos to 'prove' it. It was sheer silly nonsense then, now and in the future and he will obviously leave this earth before the anti-Christ comes on the scene.
Oh and lets not forget the planet Niburu. And other things such as secret codes written in the Bible and you stated that you found yourself and your whole family in there. uh huh
Get thee to the conspiracy forum
I am also familiar with false accusations. But these are not accusations. Asking someone who they were calling is easy to to defend. Simply let us see the call log. Simple. It would say the time of the call as well. Everyone knows how simple it is to check the call log on a phone. Now Erika has already said what the call was and TPUSA have also said what McCoy was doing on the phone. So telling us now that they don't have time to answer questions is absurd, they have given two contradictory answers. So easy to defend yourself, you have a call log on your phone.
Did you watch the videos, the guy who wrote the book Antichrist and the cup of tea proves beyond any reasonable doubt that King Charles Heraldic achievement is referred to in the book of Revelation. Now whether that makes him the Antichrist or a servant of the beast, that is up for debate, but to call that silly is absurd.
Oh and lets not forget the planet Niburu. And other things such as secret codes written in the Bible and you stated that you found yourself and your whole family in there. uh huh
Get thee to the conspiracy forum
The Bible code was published in the most respected journal of statistics. It is not a "secret code". You come across as someone who reads headlines and that is it. The fact that there is a Bible code has been confirmed and one of the coauthors on that paper was one of the most respected mathematicians and a very famous atheist. He thought he gave them an impossible feat, they had to confirm the Bible code in the Bible by looking at 1 million other books including a list of books he gave. They were able to prove that this is not something that can just randomly appear.
It is called a "code" because it is a standard skip letter sequence. But there is no secret message, instead you can find people's names, their date of birth, their parents names, and some very interesting information about them and also about historical events.
I would think someone who has experienced being falsely accused would read past the headline before saying such gibberish about others.
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