Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jordon said:
it's a proverb, and your just using it to evangelise free will, Jesus said the water I will give you will make your heart well up to a human not to a horse.

The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
2 He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
3 he refreshes my soul.
He guides me along the right paths
for his name’s sake.
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Psalm 23 v 1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
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Magenta said:
Ack, well, you quote/mention two people I have on ignore for repeated
malfeasance so I have not been following that line of convo.

My apologies! But it comes as no surprise that they continue in their errant ways.
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Oh, no apology necessary at all. Just wanted to show you what she did - shameless.
 
Cameron143 said:
It seems there is a conflation of what is required for salvation and what accompanies salvation.
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Definitely. My belief is that salvation is 100% by God's exceedingly great mercy and grace through Jesus Christ the Savior.
Everything else accompanies and comes from it
 
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rogerg said:
Upon salvation, God changes the heart and mind of those He saves and He places His divine laws into their mind.

[Heb 8:10 KJV] 10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
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That dosent adress the repentance thing. Your verse said lead them to repentance. who or what makes us decide to get on our knees?
 
Jackson129 said:
That dosent adress the repentance thing. Your verse said lead them to repentance. who or what makes us decide to get on our knees?
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Belief in Christ IS the true repentance - it is repentance from our works for salvation unto a trust in Christ as Savior for it.

[Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 
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rogerg said:
Belief in Christ IS the true repentance - it is repentance from our works for salvation unto a trust in Christ as Savior for it.

[Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
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Perhaps clarify how this cannot happen unless God makes it happen for the elect, the ones created for salvation.
 
rogerg said:
Belief in Christ IS the true repentance - it is repentance from our works for salvation unto a trust in Christ as Savior for it.

[Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
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I get that line of reasoning atleast. However is dosent clear up weather or not we actually have to get on our knees and repent. Your first paragraph here says you do not have to do that. Your belief is the true repentance. Its good enough. If I am gonna be learning about different doctrine I want to get down to the brass tacks here. Do we have to repent?
 
Jackson129 said:
Then you savying being saved comes before repentance. That is the only way to make that make sence.
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The first thing is God makes them regenerated and everything follows from there.

Of course they have changed the meaning of regenerated from the biblical one as "being saved" to something else, it is an of "ability of sorts" given to the created for salvation group.
 
HeIsHere said:
Calvinists teach that all of humanity are born God haters due to their fallen condition and can do nothing except reject the good news brought by the Spirit because of their innate animosity toward their Creator.
Even God’s own appeals for reconciliation are insufficient to enable a fallen person to respond freely according to this particular kind of “Reformed Theology.”

When the reality of their doctrine is laid bare on here and by pastors who teach a correct soteriology, they go into cover up mode.

"We really do not teach that, you have it wrong."

Which teacher of theirs should we trust then I wonder?

“We declare on scriptural authority that the human will is so desperately set on mischief, so depraved, so inclined to everything that is evil, and so disinclined to everything that is good, that without the powerful, supernatural, irresistible influence of the Holy Spirit, no human will will ever be constrained toward Christ.”
C. H. Spugeon


Calvinistic scholar Albert Mohler affirms this view, in his talk:

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When the reality of their doctrine is laid bare on here and by pastors who teach a correct soteriology, they go into cover up mode.

"We really do not teach that, you have it wrong."

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Agree. This meant to mollify the ignorant that they should be seduced/induced into entering the Calvinist paddock. Once entered, escape is difficult to say the least, made obvious by the Calvinists who post here so vociferously.
 
HeIsHere said:
Perhaps clarify how this cannot happen unless God makes it happen for the elect, the ones created for salvation.
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[Eph 1:3, 9 KJV]
3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: ... 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

[1Co 2:13-14 KJV]
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
 
rogerg said:
Not sure that I completely follow you, BillyBob. I think that if what you say true (if I'm fully understanding your point), then they would not/could have not been "appointed" to it. While they might not immediately become completely obedient all at once, when the spiritual heart becomes changed by God, the rest such as the mind and intellect, will/must definitely follow. Otherwise, God couldn't have used the word "appointed".

I dunno, are we actually saying the same thing?
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Perhaps we are saying the same thing.
I think I see what you are saying. Appointed = beforehand designated.
I would take this to mean that some of the Gentiles were, “God's Elect”, and they believed. Yet, to say they believed indicates that they were also given a new heart enabling them to believe.
 
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cv5 said:
When the reality of their doctrine is laid bare on here and by pastors who teach a correct soteriology, they go into cover up mode.

"We really do not teach that, you have it wrong."

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Agree. This meant to mollify the ignorant that they should be seduced/induced into entering the Calvinist paddock. Once entered, escape is difficult to say the least, made obvious by the Calvinists who post here so vociferously.
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how did I know your post would lead to Calvinists again 🤔
 
HeIsHere said:
The first thing is God makes them regenerated and everything follows from there.

Of course they have changed the meaning of regenerated from the biblical one as "being saved" to something else, it is an of "ability of sorts" given to the created for salvation group.
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So if they are unsaved till the day God decides to regenerate them does that mean 1000 people can stand in front of a semi truck doing a 120mph and the ones that survive must be the predestined ones?
 
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