144,000: The first resurrection and rapture of the church

[ATG]

It says heavenly Jerusalem not heavenly Mt. Sion.

The detail of the correction is accepted. It's the mt Sion of the Lamb and His saints, where God is praised.

Psa 65:1
Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.

Rom 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Rev 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

Certainly not earthly, nor Mt Zion.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But Scripture did not then call them Hebrews.

You're making the assumption that only Hebrews could be members of the tribes (families) of Isael. That's just ludicrous. That's like saying an adopted child doesn't become a member of the family. Only sicko people would say they're really not part of the family. I mean that takes a real degenerate to say something like that. Adopted Israelites had the same rights as native-born; one law for both. Many foreigners joined Israel when they left Egypt, and since it says Israel encamped around the tabernacle according to their tribes, those people had to be included in those 12 tribes.

 

[ATG]

There is no difference in the words at all in the Greek. Your mistake is studying only in English which is one of the worst things anyone can do.

There is no difference in the words at all in the Greek. Because there is no Zion in the NT. There's plenty of Zion in the Greek Septuagint. (Kione Greek certainly has a Zeta)

Your mistake is overly studying original languages, which is one of the worst things anyone can do, by thinking it makes them better at knowing simple Bible words. They get so caught up in 'Hebrew and Greek' studies, that they overlook the obvious, that any grade school Greek student would know...(They also presume others to be unlearned rubes, if they only use their own language to interpret and teach the Bible.)

The Bible is preserved by God in all languages of the world, because the Bible in any language can be easily learned, believed, and obeyed for salvation and service to God on earth, by any child of understanding...

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

There is no difference in the words at all in the Greek. Because there is no Zion in the NT. There's plenty of Zion in the Greek Septuagint. (Kione Greek certainly has a Zeta)

Your mistake is overly studying original languages, which is one of the worst things anyone can do, by thinking it makes them better at knowing simple Bible words. They get so caught up in 'Hebrew and Greek' studies, that they overlook the obvious, that any grade school Greek student would know...(They also presume others to be unlearned rubes, if they only use their own language to interpret and teach the Bible.)

The Bible is preserved by God in all languages of the world, because the Bible in any language can be easily learned, believed, and obeyed for salvation and service to God on earth, by any child of understanding...

The Greek zeta is generally not used when transliterating the Hebrew Ts; sigma is used.

So are you a king James onlyist? Because the vast majority of bibles translate Σιών correctly as Zion in the NT

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

There's plenty of Zion in the Greek Septuagint. (Kione Greek certainly has a Zeta)

Actually not. In Brenton's LXX Σιών is translated exclusively as Sion

 

[ATG]

Spiritual Israel is that part of natural Israel that is of faith and ruled by the spirit.

This is a good example of Judaizing effect on Christians. Whether willingly or ignorantly, to think too highly of the Jews' nation on earth, as opposed to other nations in sight of God. And, even natural Jews in the body of Christ, as opposed to natural gentiles being 'just' Christians. It's akin to seeing Jesus' apostles as Jews, and not Christian apostles. Or, seeing Jesus as a Jew, not the Son of man.

2Co 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Spiritual Israel is not 'part' of natural Israel, nor 'part' any nation on earth. Rather any nation on earth, including natural Israel, can have part in the holy nation and Israel of God on earth.

The Spirit's Israel of God on earth, is the only Israel that is of God on earth, and is the only holy nation that is God's own on earth.

Natural Israel that is of faith and ruled by the Spirit, is that part of Spiritual Israel that is natural branches.

There is part of Israel after the flesh, that is part of the Israel of God. There is part of any nation after the flesh, that is part of the Israel of God. To the glory of God's Son and Lamb Jesus Christ.

There is no part of the Israel of God and body of Christ, that is only of natural Israel, such as 144,000 servants of the living God and Lamb.

Nowhere does Scripture contradict itself, by our Lord Jesus, nor any Christian apostle of His, saying that He has reserved unto Himself natural Jews only in His service, not 'just' Christians.

 

[ATG]

Would you mind first specifically answering whether you believe a Jew is saved because he is a Jew, or because he is of Israel,
or because of Jesus - your intent in that regard was not obvious to me - it should be easy to answer, that way it won't be open-ended, and we'll have a reference point. Just answer "Jew" or "Israel" or "Jesus", so I can know where you're coming from - we can focus the discussion relative to that rather than of tossing a lot of verses back and forth which aren't pertinent. Otherwise, we won't have a clear, logical basis for discussion.
By the way, spiritual Israel was used as a convenience. Look at "Israel of God' and/or church of God.

The lesson is that when someone doesn't answer a simple question, in order to do as you suggest, and at least clear things up. It's because they don't like their own answer, that clears things up too much.

Mat 21:27
And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Spiritual Israel is that part of natural Israel that is of faith and ruled by the spirit.

This is a good example of Judaizing effect on Christians. Whether willingly or ignorantly, to think too highly of the Jews' nation on earth, as opposed to other nations in sight of God. And, even natural Jews in the body of Christ, as opposed to natural gentiles being 'just' Christians. It's akin to seeing Jesus' apostles as Jews, and not Christian apostles. Or, seeing Jesus as a Jew, not the Son of man.

2Co 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Spiritual Israel is not 'part' of natural Israel, nor 'part' any nation on earth. Rather any nation on earth, including natural Israel, can have part in the holy nation and Israel of God on earth.

The Spirit's Israel of God on earth, is the only Israel that is of God on earth, and is the only holy nation that is God's own on earth.

Natural Israel that is of faith and ruled by the Spirit, is that part of Spiritual Israel that is natural branches.

There is part of Israel after the flesh, that is part of the Israel of God. There is part of any nation after the flesh, that is part of the Israel of God. To the glory of God's Son and Lamb Jesus Christ.

There is no part of the Israel of God and body of Christ, that is only of natural Israel, such as 144,000 servants of the living God and Lamb.

Nowhere does Scripture contradict itself, by our Lord Jesus, nor any Christian apostle of His, saying that He has reserved unto Himself natural Jews only in His service, not 'just' Christians.

You really have some stange things going on in your head. It's like you try to find fault with something and then twist whatever was said into saying something that it didn't say.

 

[rogerg]

The lesson is that when someone doesn't answer a simple question, in order to do as you suggest, and at least clear things up. It's because they don't like their own answer, that clears things up too much.

Mat 21:27
And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell.

Yup, perfect observation, ATG!

 

[ATG]

THE 144,000 are as described in the Bible. 12,000 innocents from each of the 12 tribes of israel... They are the remnant redeemed of the tribes of Israel..

THE 144,000 are as described in the Bible. 12,000 innocents from each of the 12 tribes of the Israel of God and the lamb... They are the fulness redeemed of the nations of the earth...

The saints are mentioned in the same chapter::

All saints on the new earth are mentioned in the same chapter:

(Revelation 7:{9} After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; {10} And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb....

This is where trying to keep a pet doctrine, becomes problematic in teaching Scripture: Are you saying that the redeemed 144,000 of God and the Lamb are not saints? Or, just not the same as saints, such as not 'just' Christians.

The 144,000 are the exclusively sealed servants in the body of Christ, not just Christian saints...?

1Co 4:6
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Judaism can infect the minds of the sincerest Christians, that are supposed to have the mind of Christ, when natural Israelites are thought more highly in the body the Christ than they ought be.

Rom 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

The Scripture is not promoting high mindedness for the natural branches, but rather not to think less highly of them, for being the natural seed that had the Christ and Lamb of God crucified on earth.

Romans 11 is not a confirmation of the risen Lamb's higher favor for natural Israelites in His body nor service, but is rather a confirmation that they too can still be grafted into His new olive tree Israel of God.

 

[ATG]

You really have some stange things going on in your head. It's like you try to find fault with something and then twist whatever was said into saying something that it didn't say.

It's an independent post based upon a public quote. It's just what it says, an intended example of how Judaizing can corrupt the doctrine of Christ, without or without willing knowledge. I leave it for the reader to decide. I'm always open to specific correction.

If anyone can show that the first statement is misrepresented, then I'd be glad to see how. If anyone suggests that it's only misspoken, then let them say so.

However at present, if anyone doesn't believe there's any Scriptural difference between these two statements, then I disagree for the reasons given.

Spiritual Israel is that part of natural Israel that is of faith and ruled by the spirit.

Natural Israel that is of faith and ruled by the Spirit, is that part of Spiritual Israel that is natural branches.

If anyone believes the former is more Scriptural than the latter, then let them argue for it.

But, if anyone is upset or offended by simply showing the Scriptural difference between the two, then that's a personal problem with Scripture.

Scripture itself acknowledges that sincere believers, can still be sincerely wrong in their pet teachings:

1Ti 1:7
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Spiritual Israel is that part of natural Israel that is of faith and ruled by the spirit.

Natural Israel that is of faith and ruled by the Spirit, is that part of Spiritual Israel that is natural branches.

What part of this don't you understand? There was natural Israel, and within that domain there were those of faith that walked according to the spirit, ie spiritual Isreal.

What part of this don't you understand? The part of spiritual Israel that is of natural Israel are natural branches.

 

[ewq1938]

The detail of the correction is accepted. It's the mt Sion of the Lamb and His saints, where God is praised.

Psa 65:1
Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.

Rom 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Rev 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

Certainly not earthly, nor Mt Zion.

Mt Zion is on Earth near Jerusalem. Mountains are not in heaven. Rev 14 shows Christ on Earth.

 

[ewq1938]

There is no difference in the words at all in the Greek. Because there is no Zion in the NT. There's plenty of Zion in the Greek Septuagint. (Kione Greek certainly has a Zeta)

Your mistake is overly studying original languages, which is one of the worst things anyone can do, by thinking it makes them better at knowing simple Bible words. They get so caught up in 'Hebrew and Greek' studies, that they overlook the obvious, that any grade school Greek student would know...(They also presume others to be unlearned rubes, if they only use their own language to interpret and teach the Bible.)

The Bible is preserved by God in all languages of the world, because the Bible in any language can be easily learned, believed, and obeyed for salvation and service to God on earth, by any child of understanding...

Still, Sion and Zion are exactly the same word in Greek.

 

[Adstar]

THE 144,000 are as described in the Bible. 12,000 innocents from each of the 12 tribes of the Israel of God and the lamb... They are the fulness redeemed of the nations of the earth...

No they are not from all the nations of the earth.. They are only 12,000 from each of 12 tribes..

All saints on the new earth are mentioned in the same chapter:

(Revelation 7:{9} After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; {10} And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb....

This is where trying to keep a pet doctrine, becomes problematic in teaching Scripture: Are you saying that the redeemed 144,000 of God and the Lamb are not saints? Or, just not the same as saints, such as not 'just' Christians.

Yes thats what i am saying.. they are not Saints.. They are innocent physical decendants of Abraham.. They will grow up and live during the 1000 year reign of Jesus and the Saints on earth.. They will be subjects of the King of Kings and the Saints..

The 144,000 are the exclusively sealed servants in the body of Christ, not just Christian saints...?

The Bible does not call them the body of Christ.. It calls them Children of Israel::

(Revelation 7:4) "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

Judaism can infect the minds of the sincerest Christians, that are supposed to have the mind of Christ, when natural Israelites are thought more highly in the body the Christ than they ought be.

Where have i ever stated that Jews where higher then gentile Christians? I never said that.. Also since the 144,000 will be innocents they will clearly not know anything about the modern day jewish religion.. So judaism has nothing to do with the issue of the 144,000..

Rom 11:18

Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

The Scripture is not promoting high mindedness for the natural branches, but rather not to think less highly of them, for being the natural seed that had the Christ and Lamb of God crucified on earth.

Romans 11 is not a confirmation of the risen Lamb's higher favor for natural Israelites in His body nor service, but is rather a confirmation that they too can still be grafted into His new olive tree Israel of God.

Again i have never promoted that belief.. That the 144,000 are in a positon of Higher Favor to the LORD.. In fact during the 1000 years they will be of lower status to the Saints who will be ruling the earth under Jesus..

 

[Psalm1]

Yup, perfect observation, ATG!

.....like putting a thumbs down and unable to refute the word.

Mt Zion is on Earth near Jerusalem. Mountains are not in heaven. Rev 14 shows Christ on Earth.

Rev 14 shows the 144,000 in Heaven at Mt zion in heaven.

Clearly And vividly at Rev 14 tge 144,000 are in Heaven.

Again FIRSTFRUITS clearly points to and is irrefutable defined as HARVESTED FIRST.
They are in heaven FIRST.
THEN MAIN HARVEST JEWS following in Rev 14:14.

Mt Zion clearly in Heaven.

Earth is a model.
Heaven existed before earth.
The components of earth are in heaven.
Animals
Rivers
Trees
Lightning
Mountains
The temple
The ark
Etc.
......all in heaven.
Duplicated on earth.

 

[Psalm1]

No they are not from all the nations of the earth.. They are only 12,000 from each of 12 tribes..




Yes thats what i am saying.. they are not Saints.. They are innocent physical decendants of Abraham.. They will grow up and live during the 1000 year reign of Jesus and the Saints on earth.. They will be subjects of the King of Kings and the Saints..



The Bible does not call them the body of Christ.. It calls them Children of Israel::

(Revelation 7:4) "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."





Where have i ever stated that Jews where higher then gentile Christians? I never said that.. Also since the 144,000 will be innocents they will clearly not know anything about the modern day jewish religion.. So judaism has nothing to do with the issue of the 144,000..


Again i have never promoted that belief.. That the 144,000 are in a positon of Higher Favor to the LORD.. In fact during the 1000 years they will be of lower status to the Saints who will be ruling the earth under Jesus..

QUOTE
""The Bible does not call them the body of Christ.. It calls them Children of Israel::

(Revelation 7:4) "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.""

Actually no.
The bible calls them messianic Jews...indirectly.

"They follow the Lamb wherever he goes"

Born again Jews.

 

[Psalm1]

.....like putting a thumbs down and unable to refute the word.



Rev 14 shows the 144,000 in Heaven at Mt zion in heaven.

Clearly And vividly at Rev 14 tge 144,000 are in Heaven.

Again FIRSTFRUITS clearly points to and is irrefutable defined as HARVESTED FIRST.
They are in heaven FIRST.
THEN MAIN HARVEST JEWS following in Rev 14:14.

Mt Zion clearly in Heaven.

Earth is a model.
Heaven existed before earth.
The components of earth are in heaven.
Animals
Rivers
Trees
Lightning
Mountains
The temple
The ark
Etc.
......all in heaven.
Duplicated on earth.

Rogerg puts a thumbs down to the bible.
Lol

 

[ATG]

The brethren are made up of men, women, Jews, and Greeks.

But if we do your one dimensional transforming, there are no women or men in the body of christ.

" For There is neither male nor female,Jew nor Greek, but all are one in the body of Christ."
Gal 3:28

Your point is spot on and is all important, but neglected in the argument.

All you are saying is the obvious: The spiritual Israel of God on earth is physical, not just a spiritually unseen kingdom of God.

The division in Rev 7 interpretation is made clear by first affirming New Covenant Scriptural truth:

The NT Israel of God is in fact flesh and blood men, women, Jews, and Greeks. The body of Christ on earth is not just spiritually unseen, but is in fact the physical holy nation of God on earth, made up of men, women, Jews, and Greeks.

The Spirit's body of Christ on earth, is the one and only nation with covenant promise of the risen God of Israel.

That Israeli/Jewish nation in the mid-east, called Israel after the flesh, is not the newly covenanted olive tree and blessed Israel of God on earth. It was the old covenanted rebellious olive tree of the God of Israel, before they finally has Him crucified in the flesh.

Part of that Israeli nation, as well as all nations on earth, to the glory of God by Jesus Christ, now all have spiritually graffed part and physical citizenship in the risen Lamb's NT commonwealth of Israel.

Eph 5:30
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Where the redeemed Christian, Jew or Greek, is seen on earth, there is the covenanted nation of God's Israel in Christ Jesus.

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
"Paul refers to spiritual Israel as children of promise born according to the spirit

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born according to the flesh persecuted him that was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Galatians 4:28-29"

And so we see here, that it's not a natural man's ignorance of the spiritual Israel of God, that is at conflict over the 144,000. Rather, it's just another kind of spiritual-disconnect doctrine, that rejects the NT Israel of God, as being His physical covenanted nation on earth.

I.e. The natural born Israeli/Jewish nation in the mid-east, must still be the ongoing covenant nation of the God of Israel, because the NT holy nation Israel of God in Christ Jesus, is just spiritual, not physical... And those 12 tribes spoken of by James 1 and Rev 7, are physical, not just spiritual.

Therefore, the spiritually disconnected Christian believers, see no Judaizing in the body of Christ, by having specially sealed Israeli/Jews in the body of Christ, to the exclusion of any Greek, Russian, American, British, Angolan Christian. Why not? Because the body of Christ is just spiritually on earth, but the natural Israeli/Jews are physically here.

A physical interpretation of Rev 7, mixed with a doctrine of spiritual-disconnect, demands a natural-born people of 12 tribes on earth. Who else could that be?, but 144,000 members of that physical Israeli nation in the Levantine middle east.

That is why they say, that Spiritual Israel is that part of natural Israel that is of faith and ruled by the spirit.

Their hyper-spiritual eyes disconnected from the flesh and blood physical Israel of God on earth, cannot physically perceive that natural Israel only has part in that 144,000 Spiritual Israel, that is of faith and ruled by the Spirit.

 

[ATG]

No they are not from all the nations of the earth.. They are only 12,000 from each of 12 tribes..

1. Even if they were all natural Israelites/Jews, they could still be from among all nations on the earth. Not all Jews are living in the Israeli nation in the mid-east.

2. If they are all Israeli/Jews, then the tribal Scripture list in Rev 7 contradicts the OT Scripture sons of Jacob blessed in Gen 49, and their names on the high priest's breastplate.

3. If they are all Isreali/Jews, then their special sealing and service in the body of Christ, to the exclusion of non Israeli/Jews, contradicts the New Covenant, that forbids any such fleshy division.

Yes thats what i am saying.. they are not Saints.. They are innocent physical descendants of Abraham.. They will grow up and live during the 1000 year reign of Jesus and the Saints on earth.. They will be subjects of the King of Kings and the Saints..

Ah well then. Now this truly is uniquely interesting. I've never considered this before, nor heard of it. Congratulations on a first-timer (so long as I can tell).

They are all of Abraham's natural, who receive the land promised to Abraham, and personally serving the King in His millennial house and sanctuary.

1. What are they then, when with the Lamb standing on Mt Sion in Rev 14?

2. You need some Scriptural proof, other than personal interpretation, that the sum total of all servants of the Kind will be 144,000.

3. And some Scripture proving they are sealed in their foreheads as servants of the living God

4. And some scripture proving they are not saints of the living God.

While I can't now recall any Scripture for the first three, there are Scriptures contradicting the last:

2Ch 6:41
Now therefore arise, O LORD God, into thy resting place, thou, and the ark of thy strength: let thy priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let thy saints rejoice in goodness.

Psa 31:23
O love the LORD, all ye his saints: for the LORD preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer.

The OT people of God were saints of the living God of Israel. All servants of the living God must be saints, and not the unrighteous and ungodly.

Eze 44:9
Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

During the Lord's Millennium, the natural children of Israel must be outwardly circumcised, and inwardly by the Spirit of Christ. The prophesy proves that the King will have natural circumcised children of Israel serving in His sanctuary, as well as being NT saints with circumcision of Christ.

Rev 7
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels,…till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Heb 9:12
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

The Rev 7 words of the prophecy speak of the spiritually alive servants, not carnal strangers to the King.

The Bible does not call them the body of Christ.. It calls them Children of Israel::

(Revelation 7:4) "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

The New Covenant Scripture calls them children of Israel, which means they are either natural born children of Israel after the flesh, or Spirit born children of the Israel of God, which is the body of Christ on earth.

And since the tribal list can't be of the former, without NT Scripture breaking OT Scripture, then they must be of the latter.

Where have I ever stated that Jews where higher then gentile Christians?

My correction. Since you now clarify your own unique interpretation, you never do imply, that they are specially sealed Israeli/Jews serving the living God within the body of Christ.

They must be servants of the risen living God without the body of Christ...No Scripture for any servants of the crucified and risen Lamb, that are not His redeemed, but unsanctified strangers to His spirit's circumcision.

I never said that.. Also since the 144,000 will be innocents they will clearly not know anything about the modern day jewish religion.. So judaism has nothing to do with the issue of the 144,000..

Here is where further defense of a personal teaching, becomes impracticable and self-contradictory:
1. 'Innocents' now must become ignorance.

2. And, the circumcised children of Abraham and servants of their King, the risen God of Abraham, will be ignorant of their own tribal history and religion. Which means they now must be little children without Scriptural instruction, that are serving the King on His throne... Which is also contradicted by being inwardly circumcised of the Spirit by faith.

Pro 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Hab 2:14
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

When defending our interpretations, we must only do so by Scriptural quotation and proof. Otherwise, we resort to a kind of imaginative reasoning, that makes no practical sense to any objective hearer...

Again i have never promoted that belief.. That the 144,000 are in a position of Higher Favor to the LORD.. In fact during the 1000 years they will be of lower status to the Saints who will be ruling the earth under Jesus..

While the circumcised children of Abraham and Israel will certainly have the honor of personally serving the King in His sanctuary. The rest of the saints on earth, that are likewise inwardly circumcised by Christ, will be equal in honor to them. They will all be brethren of the Lord among many redeemed saints during His thousands years of harvesting souls to glory. Who await the next resurrection of the dead, and be found written in the Lamb's book of Life:

Rev 20:4
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished…And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works…And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.