Do All Religions Lead To God?

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Denominations: The facts~

There are nowhere near as many denominations in Christianity as some suppose/believe.

The numbers thrown around are a terrible miscalculation based on a
lack of understanding perpetuated by, um, well, a dearth of knowledge.


Many sources say many things and many of those things are blatant falsehoods .:rolleyes:

I have posted this before so am simply copy/pasting from an earlier post:

33,000 or 45,000, or 20,000 --- these are false numbers based on an egregious misunderstanding.

That misunderstanding gets thrown around as if it were truth when it is not.
Even under the most liberal definition of what constitutes a denomination, there are
nowhere close to 33,000 - 45,000 denominations. Many of these groups are merely subgroups
of larger denominational groups such as Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, or Baptists.


Evangelical apologist Eric Svendsen exposes the falsehood of this fabrication. Briefly:

Svendsen shows that the source of this figure is the World Christian Encyclopedia (David A. Barrett; Oxford
University Press, 1982). Barrett cites a figure of 20,780 denominations. Still, not all of them are Protestants.
According to Barrett, Protestants account for 8,196 (and incidentally, Roman Catholics account for 223).


However, even this figure of eight thousand Protestant denominations is misleading, for Barrett defines
"distinct denominations" as any group that might have a slightly different emphasis than another group.
The distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices.


Barrett breaks down the Protestant bloc into twenty-one major "traditions" which are much closer to what we usually
mean by the word "denominations." It is interesting that Roman Catholics are subdivided into sixteen such "traditions."


Svendsen concludes, "In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly - and, as a result, irresponsibly - glanced
at Barrett's work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded."
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Just the Baptist Church alone has hundreds of distinct branches that broke away. Until the 1500s there was only one Christian Church and only one church today can even remotely begin to trace it's history back to the apostles.
 
John 14:6
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6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 8:42-44
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42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Acts 4:12
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12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

John 3:16
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16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Matthew 7:18
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18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

John 10:10
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10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

2 Corinthians 5:7
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7 For we live by faith, not by sight.
 
Just the Baptist Church alone has hundreds of distinct branches that broke away. Until the 1500s there was only one Christian Church and only one church today can even remotely begin to trace it's history back to the apostles.
Hundreds is still not 20,000. From your first post in this thread on page one I figured you were
referring to the heretical Roman Catholic church. Is that what you consider the "true" church to
be? Catholics also promote that the church was founded upon the man Peter. Do you do that too?
 
Im going to say this again Jesus said, Matt 16:18,

And I say to you: You are Peter and in this rock I will build MY(my emphasis) church and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.

So Jesus established HIS church and that church MUST still exist if he said the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. Now there are more than 20,000 christian denominations with no evidence that any one of them is actually the church HE established.
I’ve heard 20k and 40k. If you count of all the branches of every denomination there are probably more way more than that. And most of them believe they have the truth, which means they also believe that the others don’t have the truth.
 
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Hundreds is still not 20,000. From your first post in this thread on page one I figured you were
referring to the heretical Roman Catholic church. Is that what you consider the "true" church to
be? Catholics also promote that the church was founded upon the man Peter. Do you do that too?

Thats just the Baptist church.

I don't promote anything it's what Jesus said not me. Now Jesus said MY church will be built on the rock of peter and the gates of the netherworld would not prevail against it. Now show me any evidence that the church you believe in fits what Jesus said in that passage.
 
I’ve heard 20k and 40k. If you count of all the branches of every denomination there are probably more way more than that. And most of them believe they have the truth, which means they also believe that the others don’t have the truth.

Spot on.
 
Thats just the Baptist church.

I don't promote anything it's what Jesus said not me. Now Jesus said MY church will be built on the rock of peter and the gates of the netherworld would not prevail against it. Now show me any evidence that the church you believe in fits what Jesus said in that passage.
Hundreds is still not 20,000. Where do you get your number, or is it something you just made up?

So is it the heretical Roman Catholic church that you believe is the true church?
 
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Instead of accusing other christians of heresy, why not just accept differences and be happy with that?
OK, you disagree on this or that, but so what? Ain't we all children of God, after all ?
 
Instead of accusing other christians of heresy, why not just accept differences and be happy with that?
OK, you disagree on this or that, but so what? Ain't we all children of God, after all ?
Do you consider yourself to be a child of God? As an agnostic you do not even believe God exists.

Those who believe in Jesus Christ have the right to call themselves children of God.

There is wheat, and there are tares. There are sheep, and there are goats.

One is not the other.
 
Ain't we all children of God, after all ?
This is reminiscent of Oprah Winfrey. Have you heard of/remember her? She had a very popular talk show
where she brought in celebrity guest speakers and involved the audience in the goings-on, which revolved
around intimate, "empowering" conversations in a live studio setting, focusing on life lessons, human stories,
self-improvement, and connecting universal experiences (like love, loss, overcoming adversity) with her audience,
transforming sensational topics into relatable discussions through her interviewing style.


I still remember the one where she was going on about how everyone is God's children, but denying what Jesus said.

She wanted to believe she was a Christian while calling Jesus a liar.

Since according to her, Jesus was not the only way to God.

John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
 
Instead of accusing other christians of heresy, why not just accept differences and be happy with that?
OK, you disagree on this or that, but so what? Ain't we all children of God, after all ?
I disagree with myself a few times a day. 😂 Are we all children of God? No. But it’s also not our place to say who is or isn’t His child. Many believe they are His when they are not and likewise many may think they’re not when they are.

Imagine if we focused less on doctrines and more on following His commandments of loving God and each other which we should all be able to agree on. Imagine the impact that would have on the world. Instead, nonbelievers see us as a bunch of people who can’t agree on anything and rarely show love to each other.
 
Jesus did not ignore doctrines. He was deeply concerned with correct teaching and right belief, making it a central part of His ministry, actively teaching and engaging with doctrine, presenting His teachings as a direct continuation and fulfillment of God's law. He distinguished His divine doctrine from what He identified as flawed "man-made doctrines" and traditions of the Pharisees. He frequently challenged the false teachings, hypocrisy, and misinterpretations of the religious leaders of His time, asserting that His doctrine was not His own invention, but came from God the Father Who sent Him. This emphasizes the importance of the content's origin and authority. Jesus did not ignore doctrine; rather, He provided the foundational "doctrine of Christ" that his followers were to adhere to.

The New Testament epistles consistently emphasize the importance of "sound doctrine"
and warn against being "carried away by all kinds of strange teachings."
 
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Hyper? Magenta does not believe that. Why do you bear false witness against her?

I did not say she believes that; I said she does not like my criticism of TULIP (aka hyper-Calvinism).
If I am wrong, quote her agreeing with my criticism of tulipism.
If I am right, why do you bear false witness against me?
 
Imagine if we focused less on doctrines and more on following His commandments of loving God and each other which we should all be able to agree on. Imagine the impact that would have on the world. Instead, nonbelievers see us as a bunch of people who can’t agree on anything and rarely show love to each other.
People do not agree on how to love others. For instance, many will say something to effect of, I am telling you the truth because I love you. I cannot allow you to remain deceived out of my love for you. I cannot remain silent and allow you to suffer under the illusion of your error, etc. How is it loving to say nothing when people cannot even decide what gender they are, and are having body parts lopped off? There is a lot of confusion in the world and it seems worse now than when I was younger. If we believe in God and Jesus Christ we will probably feel compelled one way or another to do as we have been instructed, and that translates differently to different people. Go and make disciples = the great commission. Am I going to travel to some foreign country to evangelize the natives? No. But others will feel called to do that.
 
Religion is about keeping a set of Standards that can relate to the object in belief.

But God is solely about a one on one relationship.

So it's impossible for any religion to reach the point of a relationship to God because that is not the object of achievement to the religion.
 
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Religion is about keeping a set of Standards that can relate to the object in belief.

But God is solely about a one on one relationship.

So it's impossible for any religion to reach the point of a relationship to God because that is not the object of achievement to the religion.

Then when Jesus said she would build HIS church on the rock of Peter he meant what?