Jesus spoke in parables concerning the mystery of the kingdom of heaven ... Jesus spoke in parables concerning the mystery of the kingdom of God ... Jesus directly preached the gospel ... He told His disciples that He would be crucified and He would be raised from the dead (the gospel). He told the Jews "destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up" (the gospel).
not true, Jordon ... you said "the sarcastic free willer said when an unbeliver does good there doing evil" and I asked you to provide the post number.
and that claim would be a lie.Jordon said:
You're claiming the new heart was given prior to you "placing [your] trust in Christ".
Do you believe all the folks sitting in church pews are born again? ... there are no natural men in the congregation?
I do not believe natural man will seek after God unless and until God first reaches out to him or her. God always makes the first move.
there are many verses wherein we are told to love one another ... example ...
well i wonder do you want to listen ? And I wonder could God go against your will to make you listen
Completely my point also, it's like they use one whole verse against you, when we say the natural doesn't hear, but to be honest I think some people are condemned by the scripture and not convicted, the evidence is plain to see in the way they react and blame, and hurl knee jerk reactionsWell, they completely miss the point or lie deliberately. I think it is six of one and half a dozen of
the other served up with a rotten attitude from both of them. Those learning from the Father are
not in a natural state. You would think they may have picked up on this by now, but no. It is asking
too much, apparently. Their complete lack of understanding what Scripture plainly says? Yikes.
The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14
along with abusive comments, which in my book is the actions of those condemned by scripture
He sets us free from sin yes and to be a slave of Christ is to be aumbissive to him as king so in a sense yes we become a different type of slave.So in your book the Son doesn't set you free, He just turns you into a different type of slave?
I have been set free from sin and death to righteousness. Are you a slave of sin or a slave of righteousness?
They don't like the word slave so they won't say either way but the scriptures even won't convince them either
You are assuming the grace God given in that moment is for the sole purpose of saving in that moment. There is a whole process of people receiving God's grace that leads to salvation before salvation is effected. There are those who reject that grace along the way and therefore are never given the grace of the Gospel which is the power of God unto salvation. The Romans 1 type springs to mind.
You keep making assumptions based on your own understanding. Stop putting my words in your world paradigm. One of the beautiful things about being created in God's image is our ability to be semi-transcendent. We can step out of our own shoes to some degree and put ourselves in the shoes of another. If we want to truly understand others, we have to do that sometimes.
Huh? No idea what you are on about. We have established men, apart from grace, are bound to sin so why should it be surprising they commit evil?
And He doesn't set the will free permanently until one is in Christ (saved) so your whole argument falls on it's face.
Let's face it. You really have no real idea of what I believe and why. You keep accusing me of stuff that has no place in my world view.
sigh
have a nice day Rufus.
This is like saying that a fireman extends his hook and ladder a few feet short of a window in a building that is billowing smoke out of it to see if anyone inside building will stick their heads outside the window in faith to look for the fireman and his ladder. If someone does, he extends the ladder further to reach the window. If no one does, they die. The first shot with the ladder represents temporary/probationary grace, while the second shot represents permanent/pardoning grace. 
