How does the human hell Gehenna compare to the hell for fallen angels Tartarus mentioned in Peter 2:4? Why do some fallen angels roam the world as dem

[Falconn007]

How does the human hell Gehenna compare to the hell for fallen angels Tartarus mentioned in Peter 2:4? Why do some fallen angels roam the world as demons while others are in Tartarus facing judgement?
***How does the human hell Gehenna compare to the hell for fallen angels Tartarus

It does not compare, fact is neither exist as claimed in this inquiry :

“human hell Gehenna” - There are absolutely no Holy Scriptures, that claim such a carnal thing exists.

“the hell for fallen angels Tartarus mentioned in Peter 2:4”

>>>> A little research and study goes a long way :

Word Origin: [from Tartarus (the deepest dungeon of Hades, known as the Abyss)]

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

cast into hell.

From Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades)

5020 tartaróō – properly, send to Tartarus ("Tartaros"). The NT uses 5020 (tartaróō) for the netherworld – the place of punishment fit only for demons. Later, Tartaros came to represent eternal punishment for wicked people.

"5020 (tartaróō) is a Greek name for the under-world, especially the abode of the damned

[In Greek mythology, Tartarus was a "place of punishment under the earth, to which, for example, the Titans were sent" (Souter).]

Here is the original writings of 2 Peter 2:4 :

Εἰ (ei) 1487: sometimes used with a command or as an indirect question, etc.)

θεὸς (theos) 2316: God, a god

ἐφείσατο (epheisato) 5339: to spare, forbear

ἀγγέλων (angelōn) 32a: a messenger, angel

ἁμαρτησάντων (amartēsantōn) 264: to miss the mark, do wrong, sin

ταρταρώσας (tartarōsas) 5020: to cast into Hades

παρέδωκεν (paredōken) 3860: to hand over, to give or deliver over, to betray

4618a: a pit (for grain storage)

ζόφου (zophou) 2217: deep gloom

τηρουμένους (tēroumenous) 5083: to watch over, to guard

κρίσιν (krisin) 2920: a decision, judgment
The fallen angels = message or messengers of God’s Word, are the Words of God’s gospel being twisted and perverted to fit and push forth a delusion of lies and deceits base on man-flesh wrong interpretations of God’s Word.

These are preachers and false prophets who claim to be from God but are the synagogue of satan, thus fallen words, fallen messages, fallen messengers.

There have been/are many and will be many who come in Jesus’s name to entrapped those who are not steadfast in Spirit, to be devoured by their father- satan.

These disobedient children claim to be prophets of God , who started new religions based on man’s misinterpretations.

They are known by their introduction and use of man-flesh-made ways of deciphering, intrepreding, carnal knowing God’s Word without the Holy Spirit as guide.

In fact, they will hardly speak of ‘Spirit’, since they can not DISCERN what is Spiritual knowledge from God.

They will use non-spiritual terms to understand the Word of God, carnal concepts like :

Hermeneutics: The broad field of interpreting texts, especially sacred writings like the Bible, bridging gaps between ancient authors and modern readers.

Exegesis: The careful process of "drawing out" the intended meaning from the text itself, respecting its original sense.

Eisegesis: The opposite of exegesis, where a reader imposes their own ideas or biases into the text, leading to misinterpretation.

Context: Crucial for understanding, including immediate, literary (book), historical (time/culture), cultural, and theological contexts.

Meditation: Deep, methodical thinking and questioning of the text to absorb and understand its truths, not just reading it passively.

Commentaries: Consulting expert interpretations and analyses of scripture.

Grammatical Analysis: Understanding how words, sentences, and literary styles (genre) function within the text.

Theological Themes: Identifying recurring ideas about God and His work throughout Scripture to guide interpretation.

Approaches/Methods: Literal, moral, allegorical, anagogical (spiritual), and historical-grammatical methods.

Focusing on historical settings, cultural nuances, authorial intent, and the overarching themes of scripture all done in carnal-flesh-vanity, without seeking(forsaking the assembly) a fellowship with Holy Spirit.

These evil-doers instead focus on personal-attacks to discredit the persons sharing Spiritual Truth, instead of focusing and testing the Spirits of the messengers, because they do not KNOW what is Spiritual truth.

Spiritual Truth is a new idea to them, that is not taught to them trough sermons from man-flesh religions, they can not grasp this truth, which results in childish tantrums, they will resort too cutting down and mocking the messengers, along with the messages of Spiritual knowledge from God.

2 Peter 2 warns about this evil-behavior and the destructive destination of these many who continue to follow the broad road to destruction.

Here read it for yourself :

2 Peter 2:1
1But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

2And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.

3By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

Doom of False Teachers

4For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

***NOTICE*** The Word of God, states they are “RESERVED for Judgement”.

 

[Falconn007]

continuing...


5and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked

>>>> God makes these fallen angels : “making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly”

8(for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)—

>>>> The angels that have fallen, are words of those who lost their faith in God, and gain glory for themselves as they whore themselves in the world of flesh.

9then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries,

11whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.

>>>> Others who claim to be of faith, failed to accuse these evil marked beast, by the very Word of God that these beast twisted and perverted.

12But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption,

>>>> The mark of the beast.

13and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you,

14having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children.

15They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man’s voice restrained the madness of the prophet.

17These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

18For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.

19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

20For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

21For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

***Why do some fallen angels roam the world as demons while others are in Tartarus facing judgement?

>>>> They are one and the same - “fallen angels in Tartarus facing judgement?”

They have self deluded themselves into believing they are God’s chosen ones(plural-the many)

These are the dead in Spirit, that Jesus referred to as “Let the dead bury the dead”

Nothing that comes from their mouths is Spiritual nor Life, they are fallen words(fallen angels) of carnal-thoughts = IDEOLOGIES of man-flesh.

It is the Elect of God, the ‘called out and chosen few’, who will pray for the ‘MANY’, on their Day of Judgment.

 

[Genez]

How does the human hell Gehenna compare to the hell for fallen angels Tartarus mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4? Why do some fallen angels roam the world as demons while others are in Tartarus facing judgement?

2 Peter 2:4​

​

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to Tartarus, ​

putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment."​

Those angels committed a specific sin that separated them from all others.

Found here...

Genesis 6:1-2 Young's Literal Translation​

​

And it cometh to pass that mankind have begun to multiply on the face of the ground, ​

and daughters have been born to them, and sons of God see the daughters of men that ​

they [are] fair, and they take to themselves women of all whom they have chosen.​

.....

 

[Falconn007]

2 Peter 2:4​

​

For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to Tartarus, ​

putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment."​

Those angels committed a specific sin that separated them from all others.

Found here...

Genesis 6:1-2 Young's Literal Translation​

​

And it cometh to pass that mankind have begun to multiply on the face of the ground, ​

and daughters have been born to them, and sons of God see the daughters of men that ​

they [are] fair, and they take to themselves women of all whom they have chosen.​

.....

>>>> There is a HUGE hole in this line of belief.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

angels ἀγγέλων (angelōn) Strong's 32a. aggelos

Definition: a messenger, angel

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

that the sons בְנֵי־ (ve·nei-) Strong's 1121. ben

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

afflicted, age, anointed one, appointed to, arrow

From banah; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like 'ab, 'ach, etc.)) -- + afflicted, age, (Ahoh-) (Ammon-) (Hachmon-) (Lev-)ite, (anoint-)ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, (Assyr-) (Babylon-) (Egypt-) (Grec-)ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant(-est), whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.

see HEBREW banah

see HEBREW 'ab

see HEBREW 'ach

>>>> None of these three, show any association with 'angels'.

In summary :

The parable 'angels' of 2 Peter 2:4 does not equal to the parable 'sons of God' of Genesis 6:2. These are both separate teachings.

 

[tourist]

>>>> There is a HUGE hole in this line of belief.

Not really.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

>>>> There is a HUGE hole in this line of belief.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

angels ἀγγέλων (angelōn) Strong's 32a. aggelos

Definition: a messenger, angel

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

that the sons בְנֵי־ (ve·nei-) Strong's 1121. ben

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

afflicted, age, anointed one, appointed to, arrow

From banah; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like 'ab, 'ach, etc.)) -- + afflicted, age, (Ahoh-) (Ammon-) (Hachmon-) (Lev-)ite, (anoint-)ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, (Assyr-) (Babylon-) (Egypt-) (Grec-)ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant(-est), whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.

see HEBREW banah

see HEBREW 'ab

see HEBREW 'ach

>>>> None of these three, show any association with 'angels'.

In summary :

The parable 'angels' of 2 Peter 2:4 does not equal to the parable 'sons of God' of Genesis 6:2. These are both separate teachings.

That hole is based on the belief that the sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6 are really angels. This idea comes the Masoretic Text version of the book of Job in which angels of God are called sons of God. The Septuagint (LXX) has angels of God for those same verses. Since the MT and the LXX are both scripture and these verses in each contradict each other, this renders Job inadmissible as evidence, which removes the main pillar of the "sons of god are angels" argument

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6 (MT)​

And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them. Job 1:6 (LXX)​

​

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Job 2:1 (MT)​

And it came to pass on a certain day, that the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them to stand before the Lord. Job 2:1 (LXX)​

​

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7 (MT)​

When the stars were made, all my angels praised me with a loud voice. Job 38:7 (LXX)​

The LXX has an interesting rendition of Deuteronomy 32:43 in which both angels and sons of God are mentioned. This verse essentially wrecks "the sons of God are angels" idea because the difference between the two is obvious, ie, men aren't in heaven and angels don't have blood to shed

Rejoice ye heavens with him and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people. Deuteronomy 32:43​

 

[homwardbound]

How does the human hell Gehenna compare to the hell for fallen angels Tartarus mentioned in Peter 2:4? Why do some fallen angels roam the world as demons while others are in Tartarus facing judgement?
***How does the human hell Gehenna compare to the hell for fallen angels Tartarus

It does not compare, fact is neither exist as claimed in this inquiry :

“human hell Gehenna” - There are absolutely no Holy Scriptures, that claim such a carnal thing exists.

“the hell for fallen angels Tartarus mentioned in Peter 2:4”

>>>> A little research and study goes a long way :

Word Origin: [from Tartarus (the deepest dungeon of Hades, known as the Abyss)]

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

cast into hell.

From Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades)

5020 tartaróō – properly, send to Tartarus ("Tartaros"). The NT uses 5020 (tartaróō) for the netherworld – the place of punishment fit only for demons. Later, Tartaros came to represent eternal punishment for wicked people.

"5020 (tartaróō) is a Greek name for the under-world, especially the abode of the damned

[In Greek mythology, Tartarus was a "place of punishment under the earth, to which, for example, the Titans were sent" (Souter).]

Here is the original writings of 2 Peter 2:4 :

Εἰ (ei) 1487: sometimes used with a command or as an indirect question, etc.)

θεὸς (theos) 2316: God, a god

ἐφείσατο (epheisato) 5339: to spare, forbear

ἀγγέλων (angelōn) 32a: a messenger, angel

ἁμαρτησάντων (amartēsantōn) 264: to miss the mark, do wrong, sin

ταρταρώσας (tartarōsas) 5020: to cast into Hades

παρέδωκεν (paredōken) 3860: to hand over, to give or deliver over, to betray

4618a: a pit (for grain storage)

ζόφου (zophou) 2217: deep gloom

τηρουμένους (tēroumenous) 5083: to watch over, to guard

κρίσιν (krisin) 2920: a decision, judgment
The fallen angels = message or messengers of God’s Word, are the Words of God’s gospel being twisted and perverted to fit and push forth a delusion of lies and deceits base on man-flesh wrong interpretations of God’s Word.

These are preachers and false prophets who claim to be from God but are the synagogue of satan, thus fallen words, fallen messages, fallen messengers.

There have been/are many and will be many who come in Jesus’s name to entrapped those who are not steadfast in Spirit, to be devoured by their father- satan.

These disobedient children claim to be prophets of God , who started new religions based on man’s misinterpretations.

They are known by their introduction and use of man-flesh-made ways of deciphering, intrepreding, carnal knowing God’s Word without the Holy Spirit as guide.

In fact, they will hardly speak of ‘Spirit’, since they can not DISCERN what is Spiritual knowledge from God.

They will use non-spiritual terms to understand the Word of God, carnal concepts like :

Hermeneutics: The broad field of interpreting texts, especially sacred writings like the Bible, bridging gaps between ancient authors and modern readers.

Exegesis: The careful process of "drawing out" the intended meaning from the text itself, respecting its original sense.

Eisegesis: The opposite of exegesis, where a reader imposes their own ideas or biases into the text, leading to misinterpretation.

Context: Crucial for understanding, including immediate, literary (book), historical (time/culture), cultural, and theological contexts.

Meditation: Deep, methodical thinking and questioning of the text to absorb and understand its truths, not just reading it passively.

Commentaries: Consulting expert interpretations and analyses of scripture.

Grammatical Analysis: Understanding how words, sentences, and literary styles (genre) function within the text.

Theological Themes: Identifying recurring ideas about God and His work throughout Scripture to guide interpretation.

Approaches/Methods: Literal, moral, allegorical, anagogical (spiritual), and historical-grammatical methods.

Focusing on historical settings, cultural nuances, authorial intent, and the overarching themes of scripture all done in carnal-flesh-vanity, without seeking(forsaking the assembly) a fellowship with Holy Spirit.

These evil-doers instead focus on personal-attacks to discredit the persons sharing Spiritual Truth, instead of focusing and testing the Spirits of the messengers, because they do not KNOW what is Spiritual truth.

Spiritual Truth is a new idea to them, that is not taught to them trough sermons from man-flesh religions, they can not grasp this truth, which results in childish tantrums, they will resort too cutting down and mocking the messengers, along with the messages of Spiritual knowledge from God.

2 Peter 2 warns about this evil-behavior and the destructive destination of these many who continue to follow the broad road to destruction.

Here read it for yourself :

2 Peter 2:1
1But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.

2And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.

3By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

Doom of False Teachers

4For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

***NOTICE*** The Word of God, states they are “RESERVED for Judgement”.

Seeing the difference as I read what is said is, you are seeing. Thank you for God to reveal this to you. Only Father can reveal the truth in the Son for us, who went to death once for us all to give new life in his risen Life. Reported by all the disciples in the Bible, "He is risen" where new life form is taught by Father, Daddy, PaPa is a gift and not of any more work, thank you
1 John 2:27

 

[Falconn007]

Seeing the difference as I read what is said is, you are seeing. Thank you for God to reveal this to you. Only Father can reveal the truth in the Son for us, who went to death once for us all to give new life in his risen Life. Reported by all the disciples in the Bible, "He is risen" where new life form is taught by Father, Daddy, PaPa is a gift and not of any more work, thank you
1 John 2:27

It is not that I see , it is that I BELIEVE = have Faith in what the Word states. I've seen, how many on here resort to translations and their interpretations as flawless.

Getting past all those translations to what the words translated actually mean, is the Lord's Feast.

To realized the wool being pulled over all who seek a good relationship with God , to be made instead into advertisement-merchandise for sheer corporate profits.

The fix is in : religions, politics, sports, movies, computer games, music... etc. What you buy or subscribe to is a cartel of fixed pricing and mostly broken promises.

 

[homwardbound]

It is not that I see , it is that I BELIEVE = have Faith in what the Word states. I've seen, how many on here resort to translations and their interpretations as flawless.

Getting past all those translations to what the words translated actually mean, is the Lord's Feast.

To realized the wool being pulled over all who seek a good relationship with God , to be made instead into advertisement-merchandise for sheer corporate profits.

The fix is in : religions, politics, sports, movies, computer games, music... etc. What you buy or subscribe to is a cartel of fixed pricing and mostly broken promises.

Thank you
As we each learn new in the risen Son for us each personally, between God and those in belief to see, not just believe, to see, thank you
I am no one, God is all in all that loves us all 1John 2:1-27

 

[Falconn007]

That hole is based on the belief that the sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6 are really angels. This idea comes the Masoretic Text version of the book of Job in which angels of God are called sons of God. The Septuagint (LXX) has angels of God for those same verses. Since the MT and the LXX are both scripture and these verses in each contradict each other, this renders Job inadmissible as evidence, which removes the main pillar of the "sons of god are angels" argument

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6 (MT)​

And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them. Job 1:6 (LXX)​

​

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Job 2:1 (MT)​

And it came to pass on a certain day, that the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them to stand before the Lord. Job 2:1 (LXX)​

​

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:7 (MT)​

When the stars were made, all my angels praised me with a loud voice. Job 38:7 (LXX)​

The LXX has an interesting rendition of Deuteronomy 32:43 in which both angels and sons of God are mentioned. This verse essentially wrecks "the sons of God are angels" idea because the difference between the two is obvious, ie, men aren't in heaven and angels don't have blood to shed

Rejoice ye heavens with him and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people. Deuteronomy 32:43​

In Job 2:1, Job 38:7 and Deuteronomy 32:43 , the words that are translated to : 'angels' and 'sons of God'

Absolutely have no correlation with 'angels' , the translators for some dumb reason saw fit to insert the word 'angels' when it did not fit the word's definitions nor in any form be in any relationship to the words prim root.

Had the translators not inserted 'angels' the clear understanding that the Sons of god are Spirits , just as God is also Spirit.

This is what the Word of God points too :

John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Galatians 5:25
Since we live by the Spirit, let us walk in step with the Spirit.

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Why Spirit ?!? well .....

Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?

Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”?

The confusion of the all the translations by the translators, has led to many falling from faith, However there remains Hope.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

In Job 2:1, Job 38:7 and Deuteronomy 32:43 , the words that are translated to : 'angels' and 'sons of God'

Absolutely have no correlation with 'angels' , the translators for some dumb reason saw fit to insert the word 'angels' when it did not fit the word's definitions nor in any form be in any relationship to the words prim root.

Had the translators not inserted 'angels' the clear understanding that the Sons of god are Spirits , just as God is also Spirit.

This is what the Word of God points too :

John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Galatians 5:25
Since we live by the Spirit, let us walk in step with the Spirit.

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Why Spirit ?!? well .....

Hebrews 12:9
Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live?

Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”?

The confusion of the all the translations by the translators, has led to many falling from faith, However there remains Hope.

The LXX pre-dates the Masoretic text by nearly 1000 years. The Masoretes are known to have changed things. You have absolutely no evidence that the translators of the LXX swapped sons for angels. You simply pulled that out of thin air

 

[Genez]

>>>> There is a HUGE hole in this line of belief.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

angels ἀγγέλων (angelōn) Strong's 32a. aggelos

Definition: a messenger, angel

Genesis 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

that the sons בְנֵי־ (ve·nei-) Strong's 1121. ben

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

afflicted, age, anointed one, appointed to, arrow

From banah; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like 'ab, 'ach, etc.)) -- + afflicted, age, (Ahoh-) (Ammon-) (Hachmon-) (Lev-)ite, (anoint-)ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, (Assyr-) (Babylon-) (Egypt-) (Grec-)ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant(-est), whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.

see HEBREW banah

see HEBREW 'ab

see HEBREW 'ach

>>>> None of these three, show any association with 'angels'.

In summary :

The parable 'angels' of 2 Peter 2:4 does not equal to the parable 'sons of God' of Genesis 6:2. These are both separate teachings.

You really want to protect them, don't you?

Angels before the Church age began, were referred to as sons of God.
No man was called a son of God until the Church age began.

Job 38:5-7 mentions two types of angels.

The moring stars (light bearing angels -like Lucifer was),
and the common angels, called sons of God.


Now, parallel what 2 Pet 2:4 says, with what Job 38:5-7 tells us about the sons of God?

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Who determined its measurements?​

Surely you know!​

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Or who stretched the line upon it?​

To what were its foundations fastened?​

Or who laid its cornerstone,​

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When the morning stars sang together,​

And all the sons of God shouted for joy?​

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Not before the Church age began, by us becoming a new creation in Christ, has man ever been called a "son of God."

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But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, ​

neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the ​

angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36​

No OT saint could qualify for being called a son of God.
Only angels did.
For at that time only angels could not die!

Nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels ​

and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36​

All resurrected Church age believers will be referred to as "sons of God!"
At present, all members of the Church who are being led by the Spirit are also to be called 'sons of God.'

Grace and peace .............

 

[Falconn007]

You really want to protect them, don't you?

Angels before the Church age began, were referred to as sons of God.
No man was called a son of God until the Church age began.

Job 38:5-7 mentions two types of angels.

The moring stars (light bearing angels -like Lucifer was),
and the common angels, called sons of God.

Genez, post: You really want to protect them, don't you? - Protect what ??? the Truth ?!?

Genez, post: Angels before the Church age began, were referred to as sons of God. There are several things wrong with this statement.

(a) angels minister the Word of God, IF it was as you stated, who did the angels minister too if there is no church ?!?

(b) mis-translations do not a truth make, the translators are the ones who combine 'angels' with 'the son of God' as one same in being.

But further looking into the words translated to 'angels' and 'sons of God' are not one and the same in meaning. I posted those words in Hebrew and Greek.

Genez, post:the common angels, called sons of God. - YIKES!!!! the Sons of God are the Elect who will Judge the world, I do not know about your beliefs , but I would never dare call the Sons of God who sit on the throne and Judge as common.

I do not want to even guess how you arrived at this "common" conclusion.

The evil behind mis-translations is that when the idea of 'angels' being equal to the 'sons of God' as 'common' folk, Well there is NO REVERENCE for the manifestation of what the world of creation yearns for, no big deal, when the opposite to this is Spiritual Truth, this
is the ULTIMATE END GAME!!!!

The Sons of God will Judge everyone, by which messengers/messages they received and lived by. There are only two types of 'angels' ;
Those of God's = Life and those of satan's = death.

Jesus stated this HERE :

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are Spirit, and they are Life.

"The WORDS that I speak to you" - these are apparitions of angels/messages/messengers of the Spirit of Truth.

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

1 John 5:6
This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ—not by water alone, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies to this, because the Spirit is the truth.

Proverbs 4:20-22
My son, pay attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. / Do not lose sight of them; keep them within your heart. / For they are life to those who find them, and health to the whole body.

I will share this common Truth, every single scripture in the entire translations of the Bible are angels from God. Only in Spirit are they alive, untainted and unchanged.

witness...

2 Timothy 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration] and is profitable for instruction, for conviction [of sin], for correction [of error and restoration to obedience], for training in righteousness [learning to live in conformity to God’s will, both publicly and privately--behaving honorably with personal integrity and moral courage]; 17so that the [a]man of God may be complete and proficient, outfitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.

1 John 4:6
We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. That is how we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception.

John 16:13
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come

Galatians 4:6
And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”

Genez, post: No OT saint could qualify for being called a son of God.
Only angels did.
For at that time only angels could not die!


Nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels
and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36

You are reading into this incorrectly :

Luke 20:27
27Then some of the Sadducees, who deny that there is a resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, 28saying: “Teacher, Moses wrote to us that if a man’s brother dies, having a wife, and he dies without children, his brother should take his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. 29Now there were seven brothers. And the first took a wife, and died without children. 30And the second [g]took her as wife, and he died childless. 31Then the third took her, and in like manner the seven [h]also; and they left no children, and died. 32Last of all the woman died also. 33Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife does she become? For all seven had her as wife.”

34Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. 37But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”

39Then some of the scribes answered and said, “Teacher, You have spoken well.” 40But after that they dared not question Him anymore.

41And He said to them, “How can they say that the Christ is the Son of David? 42Now David himself said in the Book of Psalms:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
43Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

44Therefore David calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?”

 

[Genez]

Genez, post: You really want to protect them, don't you? - Protect what ??? the Truth ?!?

Genez, post: Angels before the Church age began, were referred to as sons of God. There are several things wrong with this statement.

(a) angels minister the Word of God, IF it was as you stated, who did the angels minister too if there is no church ?!?

(b) mis-translations do not a truth make, the translators are the ones who combine 'angels' with 'the son of God' as one same in being.

But further looking into the words translated to 'angels' and 'sons of God' are not one and the same in meaning. I posted those words in Hebrew and Greek.

Genez, post:the common angels, called sons of God. - YIKES!!!! the Sons of God are the Elect who will Judge the world, I do not know about your beliefs , but I would never dare call the Sons of God who sit on the throne and Judge as common.

I do not want to even guess how you arrived at this "common" conclusion.

The evil behind mis-translations is that when the idea of 'angels' being equal to the 'sons of God' as 'common' folk, Well there is NO REVERENCE for the manifestation of what the world of creation yearns for, no big deal, when the opposite to this is Spiritual Truth, this
is the ULTIMATE END GAME!!!!

The Sons of God will Judge everyone, by which messengers/messages they received and lived by. There are only two types of 'angels' ;
Those of God's = Life and those of satan's = death.

Jesus stated this HERE :

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are Spirit, and they are Life.

"The WORDS that I speak to you" - these are apparitions of angels/messages/messengers of the Spirit of Truth.

John 14:17
the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

1 John 5:6
This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ—not by water alone, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies to this, because the Spirit is the truth.

Proverbs 4:20-22
My son, pay attention to my words; incline your ear to my sayings. / Do not lose sight of them; keep them within your heart. / For they are life to those who find them, and health to the whole body.

I will share this common Truth, every single scripture in the entire translations of the Bible are angels from God. Only in Spirit are they alive, untainted and unchanged.

witness...

2 Timothy 3:16
16All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration] and is profitable for instruction, for conviction [of sin], for correction [of error and restoration to obedience], for training in righteousness [learning to live in conformity to God’s will, both publicly and privately--behaving honorably with personal integrity and moral courage]; 17so that the [a]man of God may be complete and proficient, outfitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.

1 John 4:6
We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. That is how we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception.

John 16:13
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come

Galatians 4:6
And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”

Genez, post: No OT saint could qualify for being called a son of God.
Only angels did.
For at that time only angels could not die!


Nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels
and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36

You are reading into this incorrectly :

Luke 20:27
27Then some of the Sadducees, who deny that there is a resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, 28saying: “Teacher, Moses wrote to us that if a man’s brother dies, having a wife, and he dies without children, his brother should take his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. 29Now there were seven brothers. And the first took a wife, and died without children. 30And the second [g]took her as wife, and he died childless. 31Then the third took her, and in like manner the seven [h]also; and they left no children, and died. 32Last of all the woman died also. 33Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife does she become? For all seven had her as wife.”

34Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. 37But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”

39Then some of the scribes answered and said, “Teacher, You have spoken well.” 40But after that they dared not question Him anymore.

41And He said to them, “How can they say that the Christ is the Son of David? 42Now David himself said in the Book of Psalms:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
43Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

44Therefore David calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?”

Could you keep it brief, please?

I can address only one mistake at a time.

thank you!

 

[Falconn007]

The LXX pre-dates the Masoretic text by nearly 1000 years. The Masoretes are known to have changed things. You have absolutely no evidence that the translators of the LXX swapped sons for angels. You simply pulled that out of thin air

ChristRoseFromTheDead, post:You simply pulled that out of thin air

NOPE, I was given this Truth by way of God's air(breathe/Spirit)

This is what happens when one tries to discern without the Spirit. You are so focused on what man created as if they are flawless.

Believers of Faith in Spirit KNOW what mankind creates to replace Spiritual Truth FAILS!!!!

I witness the Word of God to your stand with a creation from mankind the LXX.

I shared how translators made errors in translating what is Spiritual. I understand why you will never see this Truth... I write for other readers who have eyes to SEE and ears to HEAR the Word of God in Spirit.

It's OK don't sweat it, your knees will bend and confess this Truth.

 

[Genez]

[QUOTE="ChristRoseFromTheDead, post: 5641437, member: 334825

Rejoice ye heavens with him and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, and let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him for he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance, and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people. Deuteronomy 32:43 [/QUOTE]​

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More like this from the Hebrew....​

43~~Rejoice, O you gentiles/nations,
with His {God's} people {Israel}.

For He will avenge the blood of His servants,
and will render vengeance on His enemies,
and will atone for the land,
and His people.

.

 

[Falconn007]

Could you keep it brief, please?

I can address only one mistake at a time.

thank you!

DANG, I do not wonder what you would say too the Spirit of Jesus, That's if you ever should SEE or HEAR the Spirit of the Christ, that comes and teaches in Spirit.

"Keep it short Jesus, I got other more important things to address."

Genez, post: I can address only one mistake at a time. - CUTE ... senile but cute ......

 

[Genez]

DANG, I do not wonder what you would say too the Spirit of Jesus, That's if you ever should SEE or HEAR the Spirit of the Christ, that comes and teaches in Spirit.

"Keep it short Jesus, I got other more important things to address."

Genez, post: I can address only one mistake at a time. - CUTE ... senile but cute ......

I have learned something over the years about people who only want to show off and waste time.
Deal with them, but only if they do not want to waste too much time.

You are not after answers.
You are only seeking to find out and show how smart you are in screwing things up.

Do you understand me?

 

[Genez]

People who promote false doctrines are jealous of those who have found (or in the process of finding) sound doctrine.
They wish to harass those whom have found the way to happiness.

Jealousy was the original sin of Satan.

.......

 

[Falconn007]

I have learned something over the years about people who only want to show off and waste time.
Deal with them, but only if they do not want to waste too much time.

You are not after answers.
You are only seeking to find out and show how smart you are in screwing things up.

Do you understand me?

Do you understand me?

NO!!! you keep contradicting yourself.

People who promote false doctrines are jealous of those who have found (or in the process of finding) sound doctrine.
They wish to harass those whom have found the way to happiness.

Jealousy was the original sin of Satan.

.......

Unfortunately you are incorrect again , satan's sin is 'false accusation', exactly what you are doing too me.

Well read it yourself :

Genesis 3:1
1Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”