Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

Magenta said:

Unfortunately free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."​

reneweddaybyday said:

please provide the post submitted wherein it was claimed that mothers loving and caring for their children is evil.​

Magenta said:

Unfortunately free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."​

reneweddaybyday said:

2nd request ... please provide the post submitted wherein anyone claimed that "mothers loving and caring for their children" is "evil" ... silence on your part is indicative that what you claim was stated never was stated.​

Jordon said:

you'll have to go back a few posts before where the sarcastic free willer said when an unbeliver does good there doing evil​

reneweddaybyday said:

where's the post, Jordon? claims are being made and I'd like to read the post ... thanks!​

awe people will be in disagreement forever here, and I really can't be bothered entertaining it anymore,

rolleyes ... got it ... smh ...

same with Magenta ... if what you claim was said was really said providing the post number could prove your point ... on the other hand, providing the post number could clear the person you claim said something that may never have been said.


Ephesians 4:29-32 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

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[Cameron143]

Cornelius was an honorable man but he did not have eternal life until he believed in Christ Jesus for eternal life, the passage makes clear he believed first and received the Holy Spirit.

The falling of the Spirit was the baptism with the Spirit, and not the indwelling of the Spirit. The vision given to Peter was for him not to call unclean what God has declared clean. Peter went to Cornelius' house to declare Gentiles clean.

 

[Blain]

In the Greek one is a noun, one is a verb, but same word.
Salvation comes by receiving the gift of salvation it takes both.
We believe the accurate Good News, but faith (action) requires an object we place our faith in God and His free offer of the gift of eternal life.

Actually they are not the same word faith is believing in something it is a verb believing is simply accpeting something as truth.

I can believe I am made of cheese but is that faith?

 

[Magenta]

The LORD of Hosts has sworn: “Surely, as I have planned, so will it be; as I have purposed, so will it stand.” Isaiah 14 verse 24 The counsel of the LORD stands forever, the purposes of His heart to all generations. Psalm 33 verse 11 Our God is in heaven; He does as He pleases. Psalm 115 verse 3 Many plans are in a man’s heart, but the purpose of the LORD will prevail. Proverbs 19 verse 21 In Him we were also chosen as God’s own, having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will. Ephesians 1 verse 11 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. Romans 8 verses 28-30 For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1 verses 4-5

 

[HeIsHere]

Perhaps one day you will come to fuller understanding, but until you understand the truth concerning man in his fallen natural estate you will continue in error.

The one filled with extreme exaggeration, eisegesis and bad hermeneutics to make the system work.

Face it, the internet , media of all kinds is filled with the information concerning the pitfalls and strategies employed by workers of this system, it is all coming to light slowly but surely.

 

[Jordon]

Magenta said:

Unfortunately free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."​

reneweddaybyday said:

please provide the post submitted wherein it was claimed that mothers loving and caring for their children is evil.​

Magenta said:

Unfortunately free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."​

reneweddaybyday said:

2nd request ... please provide the post submitted wherein anyone claimed that "mothers loving and caring for their children" is "evil" ... silence on your part is indicative that what you claim was stated never was stated.​

Jordon said:

you'll have to go back a few posts before where the sarcastic free willer said when an unbeliver does good there doing evil​

reneweddaybyday said:

where's the post, Jordon? claims are being made and I'd like to read the post ... thanks!​

rolleyes ... got it ... smh ...

same with Magenta ... if what you claim was said was really said providing the post number could prove your point ... on the other hand, providing the post number could clear the person you claim said something that may never have been said.


Ephesians 4:29-32 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

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you never listened to my claim

So now I'm claiming you don't listen

 

[Blain]

oh it exists alright lol, 30000 posts tells you so, but it exists in the flesh as cited in John 1,

And as scripture declares the flesh and the old flesh nature of mankind needs the will of God, to improve its nature, but I can't dare to say the word control where free will is concerned, that would break the law of free will lol, and the free willers will be on you with a ton of bricks

I just would like to see some actual scripture that says free will is a thing if they can provide that maybe I will reconsider my position but every verse that speaks of being free has to do with being free from sin

 

[Cameron143]

The one filled with extreme exaggeration, eisegesis and bad hermeneutics to make the system work.

Face it, the internet , media of all kinds is filled with the information concerning the pitfalls and strategies employed by workers of this system, it is all coming to light slowly but surely.

There is no system. Again, you try to label common biblical beliefs as a system to minimize truth and impugn others.

 

[BillyBob]

Seems to me it happens at the same moment not before or after.

I am of the opinion that regeneration must come first. In fact, I believe that it could take place years before actual trust and belief in the work of Christ. But, it certainly must come first.
Regeneration is simply God giving you a new heart in order to believe. This must be done because we are unable to even so much as desire the things of God.
In my case, I am convinced that the Spirit was working in me several years before actually placing my trust in Christ.

 

[Jordon]

I just would like to see some actual scripture that says free will is a thing if they can provide that maybe I will reconsider my position but every verse that speaks of being free has to do with being free from sin

free will doesn't quite get get the meaning of God saying I set life and death before you, free will bypasses the will of God and says, that means I can choose, before God decides to remove that inherent will from within that's valid to everyone .

Then free will walks around willy silly

 

[HeIsHere]

The falling of the Spirit was the baptism with the Spirit, and not the indwelling of the Spirit. The vision given to Peter was for him not to call unclean what God has declared clean. Peter went to Cornelius' house to declare Gentiles clean.

Cornelius heard the Gospel, believed, exercised faith and received the gift of eternal life.
No regeneration prior to belief.

Also the whole dead means dead is destroyed as well.

 

[Blain]

I am of the opinion that regeneration must come first. In fact, I believe that it could take place years before actual trust and belief in the work of Christ. But, it certainly must come first.
Regeneration is simply God giving you a new heart in order to believe. This must be done because we are unable to even so much as desire the things of God.
In my case, I am convinced that the Spirit was working in me several years before actually placing my trust in Christ.

yeah that makes sense I asked about this on another forum and it got called circular reasoning not sure why it is circular reasoning but yeah you make some good points

 

[HeIsHere]

Actually they are not the same word faith is believing in something it is a verb believing is simply accpeting something as truth.

I can believe I am made of cheese but is that faith?

I am pretty sure that is what I stated.

In the Greek there is a root word, the noun and verb come from the same root word.

 

[Cameron143]

Cornelius heard the Gospel, believed, exercised faith and received the gift of eternal life.
No regeneration prior to belief.

Also the whole dead means dead is destroyed as well.

This is the end of the freewill system.

 

[HeIsHere]

There is no system. Again, you try to label common biblical beliefs as a system to minimize truth and impugn others.

Systematic theology does not exist, who knew!! lol

 

[HeIsHere]

 

[Blain]

free will doesn't quite get get the meaning of God saying I set life and death before you, free will bypasses the will of God and says, that means I can choose, before God decides to remove that inherent will from within that's valid to everyone .

Then free will walks around willy silly

perhaps we need to free them from their belief system.

 

[HeIsHere]

Eisegesis here, there and everywhere....

 

[Blain]

I am pretty sure that is what I stated.

In the Greek there is a root word, the noun and verb come from the same root word.

Well I don't know greek but I know that even the demons believed in Jesus but they didn't have faith in him

 

[rogerg]

It is a simple concept we are either slaves to sin or righteousness I don't understand what is so hard to grasp about that

And as slaves, it not being within their power or authority to make themselves not enslaved, and they therefore will remain enslaved, the prisoners of that which is enslaving them, without choice, until and unless something else comes to free them which is Christ.