Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

I know that nothing good lives in my flesh... For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. Each of us has become like something unclean, and our iniquities carry us away like the wind. Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one. No one is good except God alone. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit. “What is impossible with man is possible with God.” from: Romans 7 v 18, Galatians 5 v 17, Isaiah 64 v 6, Job 14 v 4, Mark 10 v 18, Matthew 7 v 18, Luke 18 v 27

 

[Rufus]

Adam is listed in the genealogical line of the Lord Jesus Christ and God claims Adam is His son (Luke 3:38).

Here are your words from Post 29,648 ... "Adam must have been relegated the seed of the evil one"

you've got the "evil one" in the genealogy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

you really need to come to terms with the fact that the sins of both Adam and Eve were remitted in God's offering of the sacrifice because they both believed. God made the coats for both Adam and Eve ... clothing both Adam and Eve in garments of salvation.





where is the verse which indicates Eve was in the genealogical line of the Lord Jesus Christ? we only see Adam ... and there are other woman named in the genealogy (Tamar, Rahab Ruth) ... why is your beloved Eve not mentioned in the genealogy?

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Shirely U. Jest! Jesus was in the spiritual/godly line of Eve, not Adam!

And Jesus has no "genealogical line"! Jesus had physical descendants, did He? Jesus is listed in Luke's genealogy to show that Adam was created by the Son of God! If Adam were of the godly seed in Gen 3:15, then Jesus would have been listed as a Adam's descendant.

Moreover, Adam is listed as "descending" from his Creator because in the beginning he was created "very good".

And how so very convenient for you to appeal to God's skin coverings for both our parents! So, with the Fall you do subscribe to an efficacious atonement just in the same way Reformed folks subscribe to the efficacy of the atoning work of Christ on the Cross. But the problem with your appeal is that there is ZERO biblical evidence that Adam ever received those skin coverings by faith and repented of his sins, whereas with Eve there is such evidence.

 

[HeIsHere]

Israel heard, but did not come to faith. According to Isaiah, when this occurs, it was not God's purpose to save...Isaiah 55:11. And that's exactly what Paul is saying in Romans 10. Israel's rejection was for the purpose of bringing Gentiles to God. You believe Romans 10:17 says that faith comes by hearing the word of God. It actually says that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Regeneration never precedes faith.
The End.

 

[Cameron143]

Regeneration never precedes faith.
The End.

Sure it does. It has to in order for faith to come by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[Magenta]

Sure it does. It has to in order for faith to come by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

We are back to her proclaiming everyone hears when Jesus said otherwise.

At this point we can hardly expect her to align her views with Scripture.

She is too emotionally attached to her many errors.

 

[cv5]

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. No mention of any action of men.

If you going to convince people of something, you should learn how to present ideas without offense. The message gets lost for the messenger.

This post yet another shameful episode of one verse wonder biblical illiteracy while pushing the bogus Calvinist dogma.

But typical nevertheless.

 

[Rufus]

Paul makes clear what he means when he states "by grace" and nowhere does he state it is for the "specially created only for salvation elitist group" concept you want it to be.

The context makes clear that Paul is speaking about the historical fact of grace expressed in the death of Christ to secure salvation for humanity.

"To the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace”
Eph 1:6-7

Faith first >>>>God's Condition.

#ContextKillsCalvinism

On the other hand, God gives his grace only to the humble. This qualification/limitation makes it impossible for God to give grace to each and every person in the world w/o exception; for PRIDE is the foremost sin that marks and stains the ungodly world's nature.

 

[Rufus]

“I drew them with gentle cords, with bands of love, and I was to them as those who take the yoke from their neck.
I stooped and fed them”

Irresistible grace?

He draws them, but they are unfaithful as Hosea gives these Words from God.
The drawing wasn’t “irresistible”,

As vs 5 follows: “He shall not return to the land of Egypt; But the Assyrian shall be his king, BECAUSE THEY refused to repent”
—Hosea 11:5

So then sometimes it is "irresistible" and sometimes it is not?
More contradictions.

It never has never occurred to you that the reason for this was that Israel was operating under the conditional, bilateral Old Covenant, Ms. Wanna-be Context Champion?

 

[Cameron143]

This post yet another shameful episode of one verse wonder biblical illiteracy while pushing the bogus Calvinist dogma.

But typical nevertheless.

I placed the verse properly within context of the passage. I quoted Isaiah just as Paul did and employed his reasoning from the passage. The Jews had indeed heard and not responded because God was utilizing their hardness to pivot from the Jews to the Gentiles. Both Paul and Isaiah make this very point.

 

[Magenta]

I am not praying for the world, but for those You have given me, for they are Yours. John 17 v 9 I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the LORD. They will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with all their heart. Jeremiah 24 v 7

 

[Magenta]

It never has never occurred to you that the reason for this was that Israel was operating
under the conditional, bilateral Old Covenant, Ms. Wanna-be Context Champion?

She believes the incurably wicked heart can produce the good fruit of faith, even though Jesus said it was impossible.

Though as a FW-ing Pelagian heretic, she does not believe man to be the creature Scripture proclaims him to be.

So there is that.

 

[Rufus]

Yesterday, I asked a couple of question to FWers and all I got once again are crickets -- and a very lame excuse from the Sawdust guy as to why he would not answer.

The first question I asked was: Does God have emotions/passions/feelings? I asked this because Genez thinks that agape love is a cold, unfeeling, impersonal, sterile kind of love that God has for his elect. Of course, Genez forgot to consider that if this is true, then what he said about all recipients of God's love would have to apply with equal force to Jesus! God didn't really feel anything for his only Begotten Son. He just "loves" Jesus in name only.

Of course, I'm not suggesting here that God has human-like emotions, but nonetheless He does have feelings, which is one of the ways we are his image-bearers. Even nostril-breathing animals have "emotions" but they, too, differ from ours. Scripture teaches that God is compassionate, which means He feels pity for people. God also feels anger. So, why wouldn't God actually feel love for His own Son and by extension His Body?

In my next post, we'll look at the second question I asked.

 

[BillyBob]

I am not really interested in a discussion, I am only interested in demonstrating why these so called "doctrines of grace" are not supported by scripture in context.

Faith precedes regeneration, and faith is the condition set by God >>>>>correct evanagelical Christianity.

I'm not sure but I believe that it may have been @brightfame52 that once posted the following comment with scripture ref.
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One must be saved before they can believe. The Gospel is hid to them that are lost and they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

A lost person is still under the control of the god of this world, the devil, and so the devil keeps him from believing Lk 8:12
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[Magenta]

I'm not sure but I believe that it may have been @brightfame52 that once posted the following comment with scripture ref.
>>>>>
One must be saved before they can believe. The Gospel is hid to them that are lost and they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

A lost person is still under the control of the god of this world, the devil, and so the devil keeps him from believing Lk 8:12
>>>>>

2 Corinthians 4 verses 3-4 ~ 2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ Even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.

 

[lrs68]

Regenerated means you're saved.
You cannot be saved before you believe.

 

[sawdust]

Actually, I am genuine. Paul David Tripp once said:

"When it comes to biblical truth, insightful people are not simply those with the right answers but with the right questions, which lead to the right answers."

It appears to me, however, that you do not want the right answers. You much prefer to believe lies! Take for example, your simple-minded, oft-repeated, robotic mantra that God treats all people equally all the time, which is a very obvious falsehood that I thoroughly debunked back in early August in my 6738 and 6739 from the twin perspectives of Divine and Natural Revelation (temporal reality as we all know it to be), respectively. Yet, all I got from you and your FW comrades were crickets for a rebuttal.

And why are you concerned about my motives? It seems to me that if you were a true lover of Truth and true lover of the Body of Christ, you and other FWers would have responded in the interest of defending truth so that the Body would be instructed and edified. Instead, you use me as your lame excuse. Who do you think you are fooling hiding behind such a lame excuse?

If you can show any post in which I said "God treats all people equally all the time" then I might start believing you but you won't be able to do that and it only goes to show you don't actually listen in order to understand what others are saying.

I most certainly do want the right answers which is why I don't come to you for them but listen to those who know what they are talking about and are not filled with their own hubris.

As I said earlier, the answers you so demand we supply have been answered many times throughout this thread, so I'm not hiding anything. It is all on public record.

Your inability to think beyond your own understanding holds you back from any meaningful and genuine discussion with others who disagree with you. It's a pity, because my instincts tell me you have far more to offer.

Have a nice day Rufus.

 

[Cameron143]

Regenerated means to be made alive again. How does one receive spiritual truth apart from spiritual life?

 

[Magenta]

Regenerated means to be made alive again. How does one receive spiritual truth apart from spiritual life?

The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14

 

[Magenta]

John 18 v 37b John 8 v 47 Matthew 13 v 11b For this reason I was born and have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to My voice. Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. Plus 2 Timothy 1 v 9, He has saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works, but by His own purpose and by the grace He granted us in Christ Jesus before time began.

 

[lrs68]

A person begins to believe as they hear the Gospel preached and regeneration takes place immediately afterwards.