The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[vassal]

Your AI again.....did you notice it said;
Conclusion:

""""The Ten Commandments are not called “the book of the law.”
They are part of God’s covenant words, but the “book of the law” is the entire written law Moses recorded.""""


You refuse the distinction between the ten commandments ( THE COVENANT) and the rest of the law of Moses, Paul Knew this well but people without proper knowledge of the O.T. will misunderstand what he said. why is this so? because "no commandments" is much easier? what about what GOD did ask us to do?, is this not important? We all know we have to do as GOD says, is he not out Father in heaven? in my limited human comprehension of spiritual matters I came to understand that all GOD asks us to do is GOOD for us and for our benefit, this is why. I also trust God completely and know that if we do as he asks it is because we Love Him. Everyone knows this, so why disobey because we accept orders from NO ONE? Pride? we think we know better? we do not know anything compared to GOD, Nothing! we are all under Grace but let us not irritate God by constant rejection of His word, we must come about and follow Christ Like He did His father's will. God gave us all, Israelites and gentiles the ten commandments, Jesus was teaching them and explained all about them and how to follow them properly so why disobey his words? There is No reason really.

I also know with absolute certainty that GOD does test us in different ways to see where our heart lies, with this world or with Him.

It is a choice God puts before us we are here now to choose.

• Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

""eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord"" Paul Knew this and followed him so why dont you?

 

[TMS]

I am a Gentile and have never been under the law nor in covenant with God.

Well if you are a gentile you must not be under the new covenant.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

I'm part of this New Covenant because I'm adopted into the family by Jesus which makes me an Israelite by adoption.

 

[memberofthebride]

Well if you are a gentile you must not be under the new covenant.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

I'm part of this New Covenant because I'm adopted into the family by Jesus which makes me an Israelite by adoption.

My comment:

The Covenant is a contract,

the Old and the New have the same two "parties", God and the 12 tribes

every contract and covenant has to have something of value that one party want to sell and one party wants to buy - give -get, trade etc.

In both the Old and the New what God has to offer are promises and what Israel has to give/do/pay to get the promises is "Obey the voice of God" which is the Torah in which are the 10 Commandments.

the only difference between the two are the Promises. In the old they are physical in the New they are spiritual ,, eternal life and Gods' spirit

The Old never promised eternal life or God's spirit

 

[memberofthebride]

The commandments are NOT the Covenant, they are the "terms" with in The covenant.

 

[pinebeach]

Do not twist Scripture to shut out obedience. Jesus Himself said, ‘If you love Me, keep My commandments’ (John 14:15). The New Covenant in His blood does not cancel God’s law; it fulfills it. To reject His commands is not being ‘on the right side’ of Him.

Show me where I said go ahead and disobey anything at all?

Once again, I reject your misrepresentation of the gospel as found in the Bible. I also reject the falsehood that I or anyone here, twist scripture and say break the commandments.

If you cannot find where I said that, you owe me and others an apology but I'm not holding breath on that.

27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.” Matthew 26

The above are the words of Jesus. Why do you choose to pretend He did not say that? Why do you continue to falsely accuse other people here? Why do you say the commandments are the covenant?

I don't think anyone cares, at this point, if you choose to pretend you are a Jew living 2000 years ago and Moses personally handed the stone tablets to you and told you that you alone can keep the commandments but the rest of us need Jesus.

 

[pinebeach]

Do not twist Scripture to shut out obedience. Jesus Himself said, ‘If you love Me, keep My commandments’ (John 14:15). The New Covenant in His blood does not cancel God’s law; it fulfills it. To reject His commands is not being ‘on the right side’ of Him.

It is corrrect to state that Jesus fullfilled the obligations of the law and we have been saying there since point a. Your twisting of what we read in scripture and what is posted with regards to Jesus and the law, is insidious. It is because Jesus fullfilled all of the law, that the commandments no longer condemn those who accept Him.

To consistently say that means we can sin, has never been said here. Every time you say that, you bare false witness.

 

[vassal]

Show me where I said go ahead and disobey anything at all?

Once again, I reject your misrepresentation of the gospel as found in the Bible. I also reject the falsehood that I or anyone here, twist scripture and say break the commandments.

If you cannot find where I said that, you owe me and others an apology but I'm not holding breath on that.

27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.” Matthew 26

The above are the words of Jesus. Why do you choose to pretend He did not say that? Why do you continue to falsely accuse other people here? Why do you say the commandments are the covenant?

I don't think anyone cares, at this point, if you choose to pretend you are a Jew living 2000 years ago and Moses personally handed the stone tablets to you and told you that you alone can keep the commandments but the rest of us need Jesus.

Do you follow the ten commandment as Jesus explained that is, to follow them from the heart to have eternal life?? your answer will answer your question""Show me where I said go ahead and disobey anything at all? "

just so you know I did not express here the gospel Jesus gave us so how can you say I misrepresent the gospel found in the bible? the Gospel of jesus contains many concepts not just one, but many. The topic of this post is the ten commandment and the covenant.

 

[vassal]

It is corrrect to state that Jesus fullfilled the obligations of the law and we have been saying there since point a. Your twisting of what we read in scripture and what is posted with regards to Jesus and the law, is insidious. It is because Jesus fullfilled all of the law, that the commandments no longer condemn those who accept Him.

To consistently say that means we can sin, has never been said here. Every time you say that, you bare false witness.

yo wrote: ""Your twisting of what we read in scripture and what is posted with regards to Jesus and the law, is insidious.""

give me clears examples; add the post number so I can verify.

 

[soulprobe]

The real issue is not Acts 15, the Sabbath, or contracts.
The real issue is picking who defines obedience.
You accuse others of selective obedience, but you do the same by choosing which commandments belong to which people and time. Jesus never taught this kind of division.
Jesus did not replace God’s commandments with a different set. He confirmed them and showed how they are to be kept. He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17, NKJV). Fulfill does not mean remove. It means bring to their true meaning.

You’re the one who picking which commandments to obey. You quote scripture of Jesus talking about the commandments He was obeying and the commandments He told others to obey and then you yourself refuse to obey all of the commandments He obeyed and told others to obey. You pick only some of them and ignore all the others He obeyed. That’s what you call hypocritical.

The difference of the new covenant is not that the commandments disappear, but that they are written in the heart, not imposed by fear or ritual.

There’s two differences in the new covenant:

The first difference is that it’s new… a new covenant, agreement, contract. You know what “new” means? It means it never existed before. Like when you get a new car, the old one eventually winds up in the scrap yard. All the features (commandments, observances, statutes) of the old car all get scrapped.

The second difference in the new covenant is that it’s made with a new party. It’s not made with the old party, the children of Israel, it’s made with a new party, the Children of God, who are from all nations. This new contract, just like the new car, comes with some similar features (commandments) because it was manufactured by the same company, but because this new car is super dimensional, its new features allow you to explore the far reaches of the universe at mega warp speeds, to the very place where the designers and authors of the new contract (car) actually reside, whereas the old car (contract) could only explore the region of Canaan and required constant refueling (sacrifices) to keep it going.

God already promised this: “I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts” (Jeremiah 31:33, NKJV). Jesus came to make this possible.

Well this scripture is not referring to the New covenant made with the Children of God, this is referring to the new covenant made with the remnants of the House of Israel and the House of Judah after Christ’s return. The New contract (covenant) made with the Children of God is far superior to the one that will be made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah because the Children of God will be ruling with Christ over the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

That is why Jesus kept the commandments and taught mercy, love, and faith as their true purpose. He corrected hard, legal obedience and replaced it with living obedience. When He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15, NKJV)

Yes, but you are not keeping Christ’s commandments, you’re attempting to keep some of the commandments that Christ enacted when He was called “I AM”... that were placed in the old contract that He made not with the new party, the Children of God (His brethren), but with the old party, the children of Israel... a contract that is no longer in effect because it was first broken by the old party it was made with, and then it got replaced with a new and better contract with a completely new party, the Children of God. And the adhoc contract that you placed yourself under was never ratified by Christ because it was made by an American woman who took parts of the old contract and mixed it with her interpretation of the new contract to create an abomination in the eyes of God because it misleads millions of souls.

He did not give permission to choose some and dismiss others. He taught how to keep them rightly.

But that’s exactly what you are doing… When Christ was here He not only taught the Jews and His disciples to keep the whole law of Moses, but to keep it better than the Pharisees. But you’re choosing parts out of the law of Moses, the Ten commandments that you interpret to be a separate contract from the law of Moses according to the teachings of the dead American woman that you follow, and you dismiss others commandments.

Acts 15 does not remove God’s commandments. It removes forced conversion, fear-based law, and obedience without love.

You keep restricting God to your contract that you learned from a dead American woman instead of the Living Christ. Act’s 15 gets rid of the old contract, with all its commandments contained therein, to keep it from interfering with the New Contract with its innumerable commandments therein, that many of the Gentile converts in Asia, were already observing because of the Holy Spirit and Paul’s example.

 

[pinebeach]

Do you follow the ten commandment as Jesus explained that is, to follow them from the heart to have eternal life?? your answer will answer your question""Show me where I said go ahead and disobey anything at all? "

just so you know I did not express here the gospel Jesus gave us so how can you say I misrepresent the gospel found in the bible? the Gospel of jesus contains many concepts not just one, but many. The topic of this post is the ten commandment and the covenant.

Your op is not the gospel.

The gospel is the good news concerning Christ and the way of salvation.

The Old Testament Law was given to Israel during the time of Moses (Deuteronomy 5:1). The righteous requirement of the Law is so stringent that no human being could possibly follow it perfectly, in letter or in spirit. Despite our “goodness” or “badness” relative to each other, we are all in the same spiritual boat—we have sinned, and the punishment for sin is death, i.e. separation from God

It seems you are having trouble understanding the Bible when it speaks of the New Covenant. As that is the case, here is a very easy to understand article HERE

 

[pinebeach]

Well if you are a gentile you must not be under the new covenant.

 

[TMS]

And what was that “no such thing” that the Gentiles were still not required to observe? to “’...be circumcised and keep the law’—to whom we gave no such commandment." And “the law” which is the law of Moses, includes the Sabbath. Acts 15: 24

No such commandment.... which commandment? Circumcision.. this was the commandment debated about... not the sabbath.
This is why you misunderstand things about the law.
You include the sabbath when it is non arbitrary..
The 10 commandments were clear and non arbitary, they were not disputable. Everyone understood the 10 commandments, but the laws of Moses were being disputed because these laws were given because of sin and were shadows of Christ.

God does not change His character or morals. So these laws were known as unchanging. God's laws.

So when they regarded which laws or disputed about which laws, the 10 were not part of the equation.

Circumcision is clearly not needed today.
There are clear verses to state this.

Rom 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

The feasts and sacrifices were introduced because of sin. They all pointed to Jesus.

These laws are not to be kept today because the fulness, Christ has come.

The sabbath was given before sin entered and made holy before sin entered.

It was made for man.

Why take it away today?

 

[TMS]

In both the Old and the New what God has to offer are promises and what Israel has to give/do/pay to get the promises is "Obey the voice of God" which is the Torah in which are the 10 Commandments.

I agree
Buy I wouldn't say the Torah because parts of the Torah are nailed to the cross through Christ's death.

They were there until Christ's death.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Context tells us that this is Moses and the laws given to Moses by God. But not the 10 commandments because the moral principles have been practiced since creation.

Till the seed should come.. no need to offer blood of lambs or to practice the passover.. these are fulfilled by Christ.

 

[memberofthebride]

Do you follow the ten commandment as Jesus explained that is, to follow them from the heart to have eternal life?? your answer will answer your question""Show me where I said go ahead and disobey anything at all? "

just so you know I did not express here the gospel Jesus gave us so how can you say I misrepresent the gospel found in the bible? the Gospel of jesus contains many concepts not just one, but many. The topic of this post is the ten commandment and the covenant.

My comment:

Here is the Point many are missing regarding obeying, doing the 10, not the 9 but the 10 commandments

Luke 19

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them,
, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

IF IF you love Jesus Christ you will DO what He tells you To DO, "keep my commandments" if you do not, you are His Enemy and what does Christ say to do to His enemies bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

 

[memberofthebride]

To confirm the above, in the book of Revelation, Christ states He has a Lake of Fire ready for all those that will not obey, that refuse to repent from their lawlessness.

 

[Gideon300]

it is not a catholic teaching, it is a jesus teaching! yeah I agree it is important to read the new testament the most important verses that will save us all are in Matthew, John, Luke and Mark,

Not true. Jesus was preaching to Jews. The sermon on the mount shows that the ten commandments are only a shadow of the reality that God requires. God said that the commandments were not too hard for Israel. Jesus said that God's real intent for the human race were impossible.

There is always "one thing you lack" even if you obey the commandments to the letter. The law of Moses has been replaced by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ.

For those who think the law given to Israel ("Hear O Israel) applies to Gentiles, the Bible has this to say:

"Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood. For Moses has been proclaimed in every city from ancient times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

"Moses has been proclaimed.............." and to no avail. Outward obedience is insufficient. God looks at the heart. God knows that we cannot obey from the heart, that's why He instituted the principle of blessing and cursing. Even with that, Israel continually drifted back to idolatry.

The new covenant is grace, confirmed with the precious blood of Jesus. If the covenant was the ten commandments, Jesus need not have died.

Read Acts 15 for context.

 

[Gideon300]

My comment:

Here is the Point many are missing regarding obeying, doing the 10, not the 9 but the 10 commandments

Luke 19

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them,
, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

IF IF you love Jesus Christ you will DO what He tells you To DO, "keep my commandments" if you do not, you are His Enemy and what does Christ say to do to His enemies bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

You do not know what Jesus meant by commandments. It for sure does not mean the ten commandments. You should try reading the rest of the New Testament so that you can find out what real Christianity is.

It's called the Law of Moses for a reason. Christians are now governed by the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. You know, love, joy, peace, patience, faithfulness, gentleness, kindness, goodness and self control.

 

[memberofthebride]

My comment:

Here is the Point many are missing regarding obeying, doing the 10, not the 9 but the 10 commandments

Luke 19

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them,
, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

IF IF you love Jesus Christ you will DO what He tells you To DO, "keep my commandments" if you do not, you are His Enemy and what does Christ say to do to His enemies bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

so you disagree with what Jesus Christ said???? good luck

 

[memberofthebride]

My comment

I do not need "to know" -- all I need to do is go to HIS Word and He will explain what He means

Matthew 19

16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

please take note: the rich man did not ask to go to heaven but to have eternal life.

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear FALSE witness,

19Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Christ listed the Commandments showing how we are to love our neighbor, He left out the 4 showing how to love God as this is what the rich man was not doing.

 

[memberofthebride]

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do you need any more from the mouth of Jesus Christ?