The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[mailmandan]

Disobeying or not disobeying is the question.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
... This shows that the Sabbath was set apart as holy time from the foundation of the world, meant for humankind. Before sin and before jews and Gentiles...

Mar 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Read the whole commandment... Notice that God specifies "the seventh day" as the Sabbath and gives His own rest in creation as the reason for its observance. It is His memorial of creation. Not His resurrection or ANY OR EVERY day but the 7th day.

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

The prophet Ezekiel further confirms this, saying: "And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God" Ezekiel 20:20.
The Sabbath is a spiritual sign of our relationship with the Creator, reminding us of His power to create and sanctify.

Before you say that is just for the Jews...

We need to understand that we are the seed of Abraham and the adopted sons or heirs of God through Jesus.. Jesus was a Jew which means we are Jews by adoption.

Jesus clarified the true spirit of Sabbath keeping, emphasizing that "it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days" Matthew 12:12, performing acts of mercy and healing. He never broke the Sabbath command but rather rescued it from man-made traditions.

The Apostle Paul, in his ministry to both Jews and Gentiles, regularly worshiped and taught on the Sabbath day. We read that "Paul, as his manner was, went in to them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures" Acts 17:2. Also, "when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles sought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath... And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God" Acts 13:42, 44. This shows continued observance by early Christians, including Gentiles.

God did not bless just any day of rest, but "the seventh day"
To claim that one can keep any day or every day holy as long as it's for God contradicts God's specific instruction and removes the very reason He gave for the Sabbath's existence—His creative act on the seventh day. The Sabbath is "the Sabbath of the LORD thy God" Exodus 20:10, not merely a day we choose for ourselves.

Keeping the Sabbath is an act of loving obedience to God and a sign of our loyalty to Him as our Creator and Sanctifier. "If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15.

You can think it is not disobedience to ignore the 7th day Sabbath, but there is no Bible reason or logic or verse to say the sabbath has changed in any way from the time of creation.

You continue to mix the old and new covenants. Your arguments above are the same arguments that SDA's use as well. SDA's also go so far as to teach that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. - Bible Truth Versus SDA Doctrine - Mark of the Beast

The Apostle Paul, in his ministry to both Jews and Gentiles, regularly worshiped and taught on the Sabbath day. We read that "Paul, as his manner was, went in to them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures" Acts 17:2. Also, "when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles sought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath... And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God" Acts 13:42, 44. This shows continued observance by early Christians, including Gentiles.

Do you worship in a synagogue today on the sabbath with Jews and Greeks who were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes? Where else would these people be gathering during that time? Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

The Greeks were Jewish converts to Judaism known as proselytes. They practiced the law of Moses and kept the sabbath. The only Greeks that were in the synagogue would be these proselytes. These Greeks were not yet Christians. Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

 

[TMS]

There reaches a point where God shuts the door on some because they continually push a gospel that is not the gospel of Jesus and worse, they encourage others to do the same. They reject scripture that plainly explains to them where they are in error and that has a consistent negative effect upon them until their hearts are hardened to the truth and it is impossible to reach them, short of a miracle from God Himself.

Apply it to yourself... I feel like I have give verse after verse to explain things to you but you ignore them..

What are the commandments in Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12, and Rev 22:14

Why did Jesus say Mat 24:20-21
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Pray that your flight isn't on the sabbath.

If Jesus knew that the sabbath was not important..

The controversy about what laws are being quoted is the dividing point.

But the 10 commandments stand unchanged by any verse in the bible.

You quote "We are not under the law"..... i agree but the law we are not under is the one nailed to the cross which is clearly the sacrifical, or cerimoniallaws. And by grace we arenot under the penalty of the law or the guilt of breaking the law....

The bible is perfectly in harmony. My conscience IS NOT fighting against me.

Please Lord reveal my mistake

 

[TMS]

Where else would these people be gathering during that time? Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship

Presumption 1

 

[mailmandan]

Presumption 1

Acts 13:43; 14:1; 17:4; 18:4 proves otherwise.

Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

 

[TMS]

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

It was not lawful for jews to worship with Gentiles..

You are presuming that the Greeks keep the sabbath because Jews were converting them..

Could it be that at this time both Jews and Gentiles were being converted to Christianity..

You presume that sabbath keeping was just because of the Jews tradition. But they were keeping the sabbath regardless.

And Paul did not state that it was wrong. Paul did not say it was only because of tradition or to please the Jews.

These are all presumptions..

 

[memberofthebride]

That says it all right there. Why would you feel sorry for believers for not keeping a commandment they were never given to keep under the new covenant (Colossians 2:16-17) unless you were trusting in keeping that commandment for salvation (at least in part). All this fuss over the sabbath day by you and feeling sorry for those who don't live up to your standard of setting out to keep the sabbath day says a lot about what you are truly trusting in for salvation -- sabbath keeping (at least in part).

So, according to you, believers under the new covenant who have not kept the sabbath day have disobeyed purposefully and will receive eternal death? Why don't you just admit that you are trusting in keeping the sabbath day for salvation (at least in part). Where does the Bible say that the Church, the body of Christ must keep the sabbath day under the new covenant? Where are the instructions for the Church, the body of Christ on how to keep the sabbath day under the new covenant? Instead, we read - Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

It's obvious to me that you are trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation (at best for the most part, but not exclusively) + keeping the sabbath day (at least in part). You can try to deny this all you want but your words have exposed you.

comment:

"says it all right there. Why would you feel sorry for believers"

"""for not keeping a commandment they were never given to keep under the new covenant"


Matthew 19

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Plural

Christ did not say "just keep these" or all but the 1st - the 4th.

Jeremiah 31

: 33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The word translated as Law is Torah #8451. The whole Torah is to become our Nature. If it is our nature we will be keeping it.

Paul taught:

Hebrews 8

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


the ONLY change made to the New Covenant was to the Promises, that means the Torah remains the "consideration" what we give, must do -- to gain the promises.

New Covenant;
between God and Israel, same
the Torah is now our "spiritual" consideration, still physical as well
the promises are now spiritual: God's Holy Spirit in us and eternal life, not just physical blessings
and a Spiritual High Priest, Jesus Christ

 

[vassal]

Is the written law eternal?

Here is what AI understands from the scripture regarding the law and it's limitations.

1. Scripture teaches that the Law is temporary and tied to this age, not eternity
Galatians 3:19

“Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, UNTIL the Seed should come…”​

Paul says explicitly:

• the Law was added
• because humans are sinful
• and it remains until the coming of Christ (the Seed)

This makes the Law inherently temporary, belonging to the age of sin and death.

Romans 3:20

“Through the law comes knowledge of sin.”​

In heaven, there is no sin.
Therefore, a command designed to give knowledge of sin has no function in perfection.

1 Timothy 1:9

“The law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless…”​

In heaven, everyone is perfectly righteous.
Therefore, commandments like “do not steal, do not lie, do not kill” are inherently obsolete in that state.
There is no need to forbid what cannot occur.


2. Scripture teaches that commandments exist because of the flesh, not eternity
Romans 7:12,14

“The law is holy… but I am carnal.”​

The contrast is between:

• The Law → revealed to restrain sin
• The flesh → the realm where sin operates

In heaven, the flesh is gone (1 Cor 15:50), meaning the Law has no role.


3. Scripture teaches that in the resurrection we are transformed beyond the need for Law
Luke 20:34–36

Jesus says that in the resurrection:

• “They neither marry nor are given in marriage.”
• “They cannot die anymore.”
• “They are like the angels.”

Angels do not live under the Sinai Law.
There is no Torah for angels.
Their obedience flows from perfect nature, not external commands.


Likewise in heaven, obedience is internal reality, not external instruction.


4. Scripture teaches that the Law ends when perfection arrives
1 Corinthians 13:10

“When the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.”​

Paul includes commandments, knowledge, prophecy—all partial forms of revelation—as things that end when perfection arrives.

Romans 10:4

“Christ is the end (telos = goal/termination) of the law…”​

The Law’s purpose reaches its completion in Christ, and on the last day its entire function will cease.


5. Scripture speaks of a new creation with no need for commandments
Revelation 21:27

“Nothing unclean will ever enter it.”​

This is not maintained by commandments, but by perfected nature.

Jeremiah 31:33 (quoted in Hebrews 8 & 10)

“I will write My law on their hearts.”​

This is not Sinai commandments, but inner transformation.


When the law is internalized, external commandments become unnecessary.


6. Conclusion (Scripture-only)

According to Scripture:

• The Law was temporary (Gal 3:19).
• It exists because of sin and the flesh (Rom 3:20; 7:14).
• It is for the unrighteous, not the righteous (1 Tim 1:9).
• It ends when the perfect comes (1 Cor 13:10).
• Heaven is a realm of perfect nature, where no external commandments exist (Luke 20:36; Rev 21:27).

Therefore:

**The commandments such as “do not lie” or “do not kill” are not eternal commandments.

They belong to this age of sin and flesh.
When perfection arrives, the entire Law becomes obsolete.**


This aligns with your suggestion:

The Law is temporary until the last day, when perfection in Christ replaces it entirely.

To put your salvation in the hands of AI that CANNOT understand spiritual concepts and is known and advertised as making mistakes is clearly irresponsible.

 

[TMS]

Acts 13:43; 14:1; 17:4; 18:4 proves otherwise.

Acts 13:43 - "Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1 - "In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks."

Acts 17:4 - "And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of the God-fearing Greeks and a number of the leading women.

Acts 18:4 - "And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

Regardless of their past or current beliefs Paul was worshiping on the sabbath

He was keeping the sabbath.

You may think these verses do not prove anything about keeping the sabbath but thats the filter you see it through. I can't change that.. but I know that many other verses point to the 10 commandments being a law of liberty for today.

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

as his manner was, some say "custom was"

 

[vassal]

To say I only used a “small part” of Acts 15 and that the question raised in Acts 15 was only about “whether Gentiles must become Jews through circumcision to be saved” are both bald faced lies. The decree clearly states that the question was about whether or not the Gentile believers “...must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom [the senior apostles and elders] gave no such commandment." Acts 15: 24

There was never any commandment from the apostles and elders up until that decree, nor within that decree, for Gentile believers to not only get circumcised, but to keep the law. And even those with the most basic understanding of scripture know that “the law”, in this context, is the “law of Moses” that the Pharisee sect was referring to earlier in that same chapter (Acts 15: 5). And also, those with the most basic understanding of scripture know that the law of Moses includes the Sabbath.

Now for some Sabbath commanders to use utterly pathetic arguments that suggest that followers of Christ who do not observe the law of Moses are now giving themselves permission to murder, lie and steal just because those commands are also in the law of Moses, is utterly preposterous. What repentant former Sabbath commanders need to start doing is use the decree in Act 15 as the basis to open up a whole new world of understanding about being transformed into taking on the very nature of God the Father and of His Son Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit. That this transformation places one in the very company and within the very same place where God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ both reside, where there are no sunrises or sunsets.

it is God that Commands the Sabbath not me. so your arguments are assuredly worthless. you do not understand a thing nor do you want to.

Your reply sounds strong, but it falls apart when Acts 15 is read carefully instead of being used to defend a conclusion that contradicts Jesus Himself.

The accusation of “bald-faced lies” is false. Acts 15 plainly tells us what the argument was about. It began with this claim: “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved” (Acts 15:1, NKJV). Verse 5 repeats the same issue: “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” The dispute was about how a person is saved, not whether God suddenly stopped caring about obedience. The apostles were rejecting forced conversion to Judaism as a requirement for salvation, not declaring God’s commandments meaningless.

You say there was never any commandment from the apostles or elders for Gentiles to keep the law. This ignores what James actually says when he gives the final judgment. After listing four immediate instructions for Gentile believers, James adds: “For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath” (Acts 15:21, NKJV). This sentence has a purpose. It shows that Gentile believers were entering communities where God’s ways were already taught regularly. The decree answers the salvation question; it does not cancel learning and obedience over time.

You correctly say that the law of Moses includes the Sabbath, but your conclusion goes beyond Scripture. Jesus kept the Sabbath, taught on it, and corrected false traditions about it. He never said it was abolished. He said, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27, NKJV). He also warned clearly: “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19, NKJV). Acts 15 cannot be used to undo the words of Christ.

Mocking the argument by bringing up murder, lying, and stealing misses the real issue. No one is saying believers are free to sin. The real problem is selective obedience. You cannot keep the commandments you agree with while dismissing the ones Jesus honored. Jesus tied love directly to obedience when He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15, NKJV). He did not separate God’s will into “binding” and “discarded” parts.

Finally, your language about transformation, higher realms, and dwelling where there are no sunsets may sound spiritual, but it is not grounded in what Jesus taught. Jesus never said closeness to God removes obedience. He said the opposite: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21, NKJV). True transformation leads to obedience, not away from it.

Acts 15 does not abolish God’s commandments. It rejects salvation by ritual conversion. Using it to dismiss obedience to Jesus is not deeper understanding. It is a serious error that places human interpretation above the clear words of Christ.

 

[mailmandan]

It was not lawful for jews to worship with Gentiles..

You are presuming that the Greeks keep the sabbath because Jews were converting them..

Could it be that at this time both Jews and Gentiles were being converted to Christianity..

You presume that sabbath keeping was just because of the Jews tradition. But they were keeping the sabbath regardless.

And Paul did not state that it was wrong. Paul did not say it was only because of tradition or to please the Jews.

These are all presumptions..

You presume too much.

Acts 13:43 - When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked with them and urged them to continue in the grace of God. (NIV)

And after the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who, as they spoke with them, urged them to continue in the grace of God. (ESV)

Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. (NKJV)

Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who were speaking to them and urging them to continue in the grace of God. (NASB)

So, it's established these were proselytes, converts to Judaism who were in the synagogue with these Jews on the sabbath.

These Jews and proselytes/converts to Judaism had not yet converted to Christianity (which is why Paul was there to preach the gospel to them and convert them) and it also explains why they were in a synagogue on the sabbath still trying to keep the law.

 

[TMS]

All this fuss over the sabbath day by you and feeling sorry for those who don't live up to your standard of setting out to keep the sabbath day says a lot about what you are truly trusting in for salvation -- sabbath keeping (at least in part).

read what I said again..

What a wonderful gift the sabbath is...
Praise God for the 4th commandment
It is a delight and Spiritual blessing.
I really feel sorry for those that ignore it.

I was sharing the delight I find in the holy sabbath hours. It isn't my standard...

Each sabbath is a reward in itself.

Please don't judge my motives.

 

[vassal]

Are you saying that the rest of the law following the ten commandments.

Was written by man and not by God?

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him.
We know by this that He remains in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

The law of Christ is the two commandments above.

Here is what you said again "The Ten Commandments hold a place that no other law holds"?

More important than the law of Christ?

What you have done here is not honest discussion. It is a misrepresentation of what was actually said, followed by attacking a position that was never claimed. This tactic is commonly called arguing against a straw man, and it is not fitting for anyone claiming to speak for Christ or truth.

At no point was it said that the rest of God’s law was “written by man and not by God” in the sense you are implying. Scripture itself says God gave the laws to Moses, and Moses wrote them down. That does not mean the laws were human inventions. It means God chose different ways to deliver His instructions. To twist this into “written by man instead of God” is a false framing, and you know it.

Yes, the Ten Commandments hold a unique place. Scripture itself makes that distinction, not us. God spoke them directly to the whole nation, wrote them with His own finger, and placed them inside the ark. That is not opinion, it is what the text plainly says. Acknowledging that special role does not mean claiming they are “more important than Christ,” nor does it diminish obedience to Christ. That accusation is dishonest.

Nowhere did Jesus ever say that His commandments cancel or replace God’s earlier commandments. In fact, Jesus said the opposite.
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17, NKJV).
Fulfilling does not mean erasing. It means bringing to their true meaning.

You quote John correctly, but you misuse him. When John writes, “This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another” (1 John 3:23, NKJV), he is summarizing, not replacing everything God previously commanded. Jesus Himself explained what love means:
“If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15, NKJV).
And Jesus had already said what those commandments stand upon:
“On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets” (Matthew 22:40, NKJV).

“Hanging on” does not mean “abolished.” It means they are supported by them, just as Jesus said.

The real issue here is this:
You took a statement affirming the special role of the Ten Commandments, something Scripture itself teaches, and twisted it into “Are you saying they are more important than the law of Christ?” That conclusion does not follow. It is an insertion, not an interpretation.

Jesus never placed love against obedience. He joined them.
He never taught a faith that dismisses what God spoke with His own voice.
He never gave permission to divide God’s will into what we keep and what we ignore.

Strong spiritual language does not excuse careless handling of Scripture. And misrepresenting what someone actually said is not zeal for truth. It is a low tactic, and it weakens your argument instead of strengthening it.

If we are going to speak in the name of Christ, then we must speak truthfully, carefully, and in line with His own words. Anything less does not come from Him.

 

[mailmandan]

Regardless of their past or current beliefs Paul was worshiping on the sabbath

He was keeping the sabbath.

You may think these verses do not prove anything about keeping the sabbath but thats the filter you see it through. I can't change that.. but I know that many other verses point to the 10 commandments being a law of liberty for today.

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

as his manner was, some say "custom was"

Again, Paul's work there was evangelism and not sabbath worship.

 

[vassal]

It's just you. You and your words and I would advise everyone to do the same and trust in Jesus instead.

If only you would KNOW what Jesus was teaching and believe all of what he said is true, we would not have any arguments.

 

[TMS]

and it also explains why they were in a synagogue on the sabbath still trying to keep the law.

I prefer to say "it also presumably explains why they were in a synagogue on the sabbath".....
But this explanation does not prove that the sabbath was removed or changed or should not be kept holy.
Paul's custom was to worship on the sabbath.

Is it possible that it was still a valid commandment for everyone?

 

[GWH]

We all have a choice.
Except for 3 things.... no choice about.
BIRTH
DEATH
THE JUDGEMENT.
The day will come when you will need to stand before the mighty judge.
The death penalty can still be given but it is eternal death.
The robe of Christ's righteousness is not an excuse to Disobey purposefully.
Where does the bible say the sabbath ended.

Yes, we all can choose whether to observe the OT/Jewish Sabbath or not,
because nowhere does the NT say that law was not fulfilled by Jesus and has not ended with his death,
so do no work on Saturday if that makes you happy,
but just don't think that law applies to Christians,
and do not think you are saved by doing no works on the Sabbath!

 

[mailmandan]

read what I said again..

What a wonderful gift the sabbath is...
Praise God for the 4th commandment
It is a delight and Spiritual blessing.
I really feel sorry for those that ignore it.

I was sharing the delight I find in the holy sabbath hours. It isn't my standard...

Each sabbath is a reward in itself.

Please don't judge my motives.

Words have meaning in which motives become exposed. Nobody is ignoring what God said about the 4th commandment under the law for Israel. (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10 etc..).

 

[mailmandan]

I prefer to say "it also presumably explains why they were in a synagogue on the sabbath".....
But this explanation does not prove that the sabbath was removed or changed or should not be kept holy.
Paul's custom was to worship on the sabbath.

Is it possible that it was still a valid commandment for everyone?

Can you prove from scripture that sabbath keeping is a valid commandment for EVERYONE? This does not sound like EVERYONE. (Exodus 16:23, 29; 20:1-2; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10)

 

[GWH]

Words have meaning in which motives become exposed. Nobody is ignoring what God said about the 4th commandment under the law for Israel. (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10 etc..).

Yes, but some are ignoring what God said about the 4th commandment in Paul's epistles, especially in Col. 2:16!

 

[memberofthebride]

To put your salvation in the hands of AI that CANNOT understand spiritual concepts and is known and advertised as making mistakes is clearly irresponsible.

To put your salvation in the hands of AI that CANNOT understand spiritual concepts and is known and advertised as making mistakes is clearly irresponsible.

Inquisitor

the Torah reveals to man, the Mind and Divine Nature of God and Is eternal

the Part of The Torah which was temporary, is The Sacrificial Law "which was added because of transgressions"

Jeremiah 7

21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.

22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

Animal sacrifice is not in the Old Covenant. "Obey my Voice" IS, obey my commandments, statutes and Judgments and today folks want the "get out of jail for free" card ---- grace. "just as I am" just words

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels [and] in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

How can God punish for Lawlessness if there is NO law to Transgress?

the New Testament and Christ, speaks much about "Lawlessness"