Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Colossians 2 v 8, Romans 16 v 18, Romans 10 v 2, Proverbs 19 v 2a ~ See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge. Zeal is no good without knowledge. They teach as doctrine the precepts of men.
 
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Jordon said:
And why shouldn't God gets what he wants. ,
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God does get what He wants.
Every time!

Just, not your way.


Isaiah 55:8-9

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.​

“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.​


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GWH said:
I also notice you said the following:

I am a newcomer at this site christianchat.com
How set against reason, critical thinking and a sceptical mind are you ?
I have to ask: Why should I trust these bearded men's thoughts to be the so-called truth?

Welcome to CC. I see you have gotten cross-ways with Mag already.

I affirm both reason and Scripture, and I have logical reasons to believe the Bible.
If you are seeking ultimate truth, please begin reading Lesson 1 on our website <truthseekersfellowship.com>
and comment or ask me questions as they arise, addressing me on the "Apologetics: Witnessing to Atheists" thread.
Thanks!
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Still making it all about you.
 
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Jordon said:
oh I can think of quite a few verses,
But obviously you don't know the word.


So are you saying I should forgive somebody who sins against before they repent ?
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do you know what forgive them for they do not know what they do means?
 
HeIsHere said:
So the non-believer who loves and cares for her infant child, feeds him, baths him, loves him is doing works which are evil?

Where does God call this evil?
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You are one of the very few that require an explanation and can understand the explanation.

Isa 64:6
For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our wrongdoings, like the wind, take us away.

I am a non-believer and cared for my infant child, Thus.....I am saved.

No. It is faith alone in Christ alone. ALL of our works are as filthy rags to the Lord.
 
SaysWhat said:
do you know what forgive them for they do not know what they do means?
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Er thats spoke in a different context, Jesus was speaking about, people probably believing what other people where saying on the bases of people believing he wasn't the Messiah, because Jesus said pontas pilate was guilty of a worse sin because he knew Jesus was innocent, the crowds never.

When a person does know he's
Sinning against you, thats completely different,

And I'm not going to cite the verses until you quote them.
 
SaysWhat said:
I figured that, your quite defiant, and in the end will only hurt your own heart. There will be no one to stand before you to repent.
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you figured incorrectly.

And now you have insinuated,

You know nothing about me.

You can't admit your wrong

You won't correct your error and post the scripture

You don't know my heart.

Well false accusers like you need to repent

Now I've told you that 3 times your wrong

3 times you have split my posts up and 3 times you have denied what is true.

Errrrr your not in any place to judge my heart .
 
Jordon said:
you figured incorrectly.

And now you have insinuated,

You know nothing about me.

You can't admit your wrong

You won't correct your error and post the scripture

You don't know my heart.

Well false accusers like you need to repent

Now I've told you that 3 times your wrong

3 times you have split my posts up and 3 times you have denied what is true.

Errrrr your not in any place to judge my heart .
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You insinuated stuff from the get go, mr I don't know anything about the word.
You've got no couth at all. And I've seen enough of your heart to know it's full of ugliness.

I said what verse was that, you don't know the answer so you naturally resort to potty mouth because that's the how you roll.
 
SaysWhat said:
You insinuated stuff from the get go, mr I don't know anything about the word.
You've got no couth at all. And I've seen enough of your heart to know it's full of ugliness.

I said what verse was that, you don't know the answer so you naturally resort to potty mouth because that's the how you roll.
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more insulations from you, the scriptures are there all right, you tell me why I should correct your error,


Rather than correct your error or post the scriptures you now escalate, your errors

Obviously your heart is not in the right place.

Firstly you interrupted my discussion I was having

Secondly you pulled my post apart and never answered ths full post, insinuating I have to forgive

Thirdly you where told the meaning of Jesus speaking to the crowd

Fourthly you where told people who know they have sinned against you knowingly need to repent to you.

Fifthly you've been told it's in scripture

Six. You've insinuated 4 times now against me,

7. Look up the word Instigator
 
Jordon said:
more insulations from you, the scriptures are there all right, you tell me why I should correct your error,


Rather than correct your error or post the scriptures you now escalate, your errors

Obviously your heart is not in the right place.

Firstly you interrupted my discussion I was having

Secondly you pulled my post apart and never answered ths full post, insinuating I have to forgive

Thirdly you where told the meaning of Jesus speaking to the crowd

Fourthly you where told people who know they have sinned against you knowingly need to repent to you.

Fifthly you've been told it's in scripture

Six. You've insinuated 4 times now against me,

7. Look up the word Instigator
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You said it's in the word yet you don't know where only it's in the word. You don't know and that's the truth Mr. right.

If you truly knew you would of posted it from the very get go when I asked but you deverted
 
SaysWhat said:
You said it's in the word yet you don't know where only it's in the word. You don't know and that's the truth Mr. right.

If you truly knew you would of posted it from the very get go when I asked but you deverted
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my name is not Mr right

My heart is forgiving

Your incorrect about not repenting to a person not being in the word.

You where wrong about the way
Jesus spoke to the crowds

You where wrong to say I must forgive because Jesus said forgive them they know not what they do, why was you wrong well when someone knows not what they do it can be forgiven.

My name is not defiant either


When someone knows what there doing then you must repent and you can't assume you will be forgiven because Jesus said forgive them they know not what they do.


So once again look up the word defiant

Your wrong about me not knowing his word as well.

So do yourself a favour and learn
 
Jordon said:
my name is not Mr right

My heart is forgiving

Your incorrect about not repenting to a person not being in the word.

You where wrong about the way
Jesus spoke to the crowds

You where wrong to say I must forgive because Jesus said forgive them they know not what they do, why was you wrong well when someone knows not what they do it can be forgiven.

My name is not defiant either


When someone knows what there doing then you must repent and you can't assume you will be forgiven because Jesus said forgive them they know not what they do.


So once again look up the word defiant

Your wrong about me not knowing his word as well.

So do yourself a favour and learn
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I apologize for my mistakes, and for the words I chose.

You're correct you don't have to forgive until they repent to you.

As for me I'd rather say there wasn't a need to I already understand.

I don't sweat the small stuff it's to taxing.
 
SaysWhat said:
I apologize for my mistakes, and for the words I chose.

You're correct you don't have to forgive until they repent to you.

As for me I'd rather say there wasn't a need to I already understand.

I don't sweat the small stuff it's to taxing.
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maybe your not the unforgiving type either after all, . However small silly things is one thing.

But people condemning Christians to hell here in this thread and not repenting falsely accusing people all the time here and not repenting,

Putting labels on people all the time,
Rejecting his true word all the time creating false idols all the time, denying truth after truth, saying sin is not evil. Calling Gods sovereingty meaningless.

Is what's happening in this thread, and you know the sad part, it's all related to thee free will having value , all tho quite clearly the word says in John 1 the will of man lives in the flesh,

Such a small thing as free will is not so small now is it, when you think about it, and it looks like actually free will is one of the laws of sin, leading many peoplen.to being a law unto themselves.

But what's worse is, it's also encourages people to take from the lords word, and encourage others to walk in away that's not pleasing to the lord.

On and by the way, if you don't stop the small thing in there tracks well they lead to much bigger sins
 
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