Scripture is Clear, Being Born Again, Anew, or from Above; Precedes Faith

[Jon777]

I’m linking an article in the current Christian Post that prompts my OP.
https://www.christianpost.com/voices/which-comes-first-in-salvation-order-faith-or-regeneration.html

But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born/gennao, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God. (Joh 1:12-13 NRSVue) *A disciple received and believed because he had been “born of God”, not by man’s will, but by God’s sovereign will.

Jesus answered him, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born/gennao from above.” (Joh 3:3 NRSVue) *Clearly refers to God above

The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born/gennao of the Spirit.” (Joh 3:8 NRSVue) *Being born anew or born from above is as much of the sovereignty of God, as is the wind.

If you perceive that he is righteous, you also know that everyone who does right has been born of him. (1Jn 2:29 NRSVue)
Those who have been born of God do not sin because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin because they have been born of God. (1Jn 3:9 NRSVue)
Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. (1Jn 4:7 NRSVue)
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the parent loves the child. (1Jn 5:1 NRSVue)
for whatever is born of God conquers the world. And this is the victory that conquers the world, our faith. (1Jn 5:4 NRSVue)
We know that those who are born of God do not sin, but the one who was born of God protects them, and the evil one does not touch them. (1Jn 5:18 NRSVue)

but God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— (Eph 2:4-5 NRSVue) *We were dead, not sick, and dead men don’t, can’t believe!

A certain woman named Lydia, a worshiper of God, was listening to us; she was from the city of Thyatira and a dealer in purple cloth. The Lord opened her heart to listen eagerly to what was said by Paul. (Act 16:14 NRSVue) *The Lord ‘opened her heart’, or birthed her anew, so that she listened eagerly.

Sir, why are you a Christian and your neighbor is not? You reply, “Because I believed and he did not believe.” If your faith was the deciding factor, you claim your salvation was not ALL of God, because God in your eyes did the same for every person; it was you who made the difference. You now can boast!

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— not the result of works, so that no one may boast. (Eph 2:8-9 NRSVue) *Believing is called a work in John 6:29. If a person believing is the deciding factor, he can boast.

In contrast, God is why you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, in order that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” (1Co 1:30-31 NRSVue)

NOW I ASK YOU, DOES THE ARTICLE IN THE CHRISTIAN POST RING TRUE WHEN COMPARED TO SCRIPTURE?

 

[homwardbound]

I see to not boast in me or others in flesh and blood either. I see to boast in the done work of God by Son for us all to get new life through belief willingly to God through the risen Son. Not. to ever use it for any self-gain anymore, if have before belief
Thanks for the post. Seeing. it clearly, God loves us all 1 John 2:1-27
Start right there and then ask and learn from God and Son alone. Thanks

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born/gennao, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God. (Joh 1:12-13 NRSVue) *A disciple received and believed because he had been “born of God”, not by man’s will, but by God’s sovereign will.

The last sentence contradicts what the verses say. That scripture says those who receive Christ, which is equated with believing into his name, precedes receiving the authority to become a child of God. Then the last sentence says the exact opposite.

 

[PaulThomson]

Sir, why are you a Christian and your neighbor is not? You reply, “Because I believed and he did not believe.” If your faith was the deciding factor, you claim your salvation was not ALL of God, because God in your eyes did the same for every person; it was you who made the difference. You now can boast!

And you can say that God chose you and not the one's He chose not to regenerate, so you can boast. One thing humans are good at is finding an excuse for boasting, even when there is none.

 

[GWH]

I’m linking an article in the current Christian Post that prompts my OP.
https://www.christianpost.com/voices/which-comes-first-in-salvation-order-faith-or-regeneration.html

But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born/gennao, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God. (Joh 1:12-13 NRSVue) *A disciple received and believed because he had been “born of God”, not by man’s will, but by God’s sovereign will.

Jesus answered him, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born/gennao from above.” (Joh 3:3 NRSVue) *Clearly refers to God above

The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born/gennao of the Spirit.” (Joh 3:8 NRSVue) *Being born anew or born from above is as much of the sovereignty of God, as is the wind.

If you perceive that he is righteous, you also know that everyone who does right has been born of him. (1Jn 2:29 NRSVue)
Those who have been born of God do not sin because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin because they have been born of God. (1Jn 3:9 NRSVue)
Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. (1Jn 4:7 NRSVue)
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the parent loves the child. (1Jn 5:1 NRSVue)
for whatever is born of God conquers the world. And this is the victory that conquers the world, our faith. (1Jn 5:4 NRSVue)
We know that those who are born of God do not sin, but the one who was born of God protects them, and the evil one does not touch them. (1Jn 5:18 NRSVue)

but God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— (Eph 2:4-5 NRSVue) *We were dead, not sick, and dead men don’t, can’t believe!

A certain woman named Lydia, a worshiper of God, was listening to us; she was from the city of Thyatira and a dealer in purple cloth. The Lord opened her heart to listen eagerly to what was said by Paul. (Act 16:14 NRSVue) *The Lord ‘opened her heart’, or birthed her anew, so that she listened eagerly.

Sir, why are you a Christian and your neighbor is not? You reply, “Because I believed and he did not believe.” If your faith was the deciding factor, you claim your salvation was not ALL of God, because God in your eyes did the same for every person; it was you who made the difference. You now can boast!

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— not the result of works, so that no one may boast. (Eph 2:8-9 NRSVue) *Believing is called a work in John 6:29. If a person believing is the deciding factor, he can boast.

In contrast, God is why you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, in order that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” (1Co 1:30-31 NRSVue)

NOW I ASK YOU, DOES THE ARTICLE IN THE CHRISTIAN POST RING TRUE WHEN COMPARED TO SCRIPTURE?

Did you poop out regarding our discussion of TRDOP on the other thread?

 

[sawdust]

I’m linking an article in the current Christian Post that prompts my OP.
https://www.christianpost.com/voices/which-comes-first-in-salvation-order-faith-or-regeneration.html

But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born/gennao, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God. (Joh 1:12-13 NRSVue) *A disciple received and believed because he had been “born of God”, not by man’s will, but by God’s sovereign will.

Jesus answered him, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born/gennao from above.” (Joh 3:3 NRSVue) *Clearly refers to God above

The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born/gennao of the Spirit.” (Joh 3:8 NRSVue) *Being born anew or born from above is as much of the sovereignty of God, as is the wind.

If you perceive that he is righteous, you also know that everyone who does right has been born of him. (1Jn 2:29 NRSVue)
Those who have been born of God do not sin because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin because they have been born of God. (1Jn 3:9 NRSVue)
Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. (1Jn 4:7 NRSVue)
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the parent loves the child. (1Jn 5:1 NRSVue)
for whatever is born of God conquers the world. And this is the victory that conquers the world, our faith. (1Jn 5:4 NRSVue)
We know that those who are born of God do not sin, but the one who was born of God protects them, and the evil one does not touch them. (1Jn 5:18 NRSVue)

but God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— (Eph 2:4-5 NRSVue) *We were dead, not sick, and dead men don’t, can’t believe!

A certain woman named Lydia, a worshiper of God, was listening to us; she was from the city of Thyatira and a dealer in purple cloth. The Lord opened her heart to listen eagerly to what was said by Paul. (Act 16:14 NRSVue) *The Lord ‘opened her heart’, or birthed her anew, so that she listened eagerly.

Sir, why are you a Christian and your neighbor is not? You reply, “Because I believed and he did not believe.” If your faith was the deciding factor, you claim your salvation was not ALL of God, because God in your eyes did the same for every person; it was you who made the difference. You now can boast!

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— not the result of works, so that no one may boast. (Eph 2:8-9 NRSVue) *Believing is called a work in John 6:29. If a person believing is the deciding factor, he can boast.

In contrast, God is why you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, in order that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” (1Co 1:30-31 NRSVue)

NOW I ASK YOU, DOES THE ARTICLE IN THE CHRISTIAN POST RING TRUE WHEN COMPARED TO SCRIPTURE?

Scripture is clear true, but your analysis needs some work.

To those who believed were the ones given to be born of God. Believe then new birth.

 

[Jon777]

I see to not boast in me or others in flesh and blood either. I see to boast in the done work of God by Son for us all to get new life through belief willingly to God through the risen Son. Not. to ever use it for any self-gain anymore, if have before belief
Thanks for the post. Seeing. it clearly, God loves us all 1 John 2:1-27
Start right there and then ask and learn from God and Son alone. Thanks

It is best to see the perspective of who was writing the epistle. It was Jews -

"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full." (1John 1:1-4, KJV)

So, writing from the perspective of a Jew who saw and heard the Savior, he writes the following:

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1John 2:1-2, KJV)

In chapter 3 of his gospel, John taught the Pharisee, Nicodemus, that God loved not only the Jews, but Gentiles as well, the "world". In Revelation, John gives further illustration of what he means by world:

"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;" (Rev 5:9, KJV)

Christ redeemed persons "out of" the various nations, people, kindred and tongue. Weymouth makes it even more clear -

"And now they sing a new song. "It is fitting," they say, "that Thou shouldst be the One to take the book And break its seals; Because Thou hast been offered in sacrifice, And hast purchased for God with Thine own blood Some out of every tribe and language and people and nation," (Rev 5:9, Weymouth)

 

[Jon777]

Did you poop out regarding our discussion of TRDOP on the other thread?

There seems to come a time when the adage "beating a dead horse" comes to mind. I've put forth enough Scripture, that readers can compare what I posted with your evasions of Scripture and make up their own mind. I do admit, it does become tiring to spend a lot of time on these replies and posts, so maybe others wish to continue in the discussion. I also tend to be somewhat presuppositional and believe that when God's word is presented, those He wishes to receive it, profit. I see a general application based on:

"If we receive human testimony, the testimony of God is greater" (1 Jn 5:9a)

 

[Omegatime]

IMO The question was : How does one enter the Kingdom of God" is what Nicodemus was trying to answer, not a spiritual transformation for he was already a believer. After 1900 years the church decides it is a story of spiritual transformation. I believe it is a story of the resurrection of being born from above.

 

[rogerg]

I’m linking an article in the current Christian Post that prompts my OP.
https://www.christianpost.com/voices/which-comes-first-in-salvation-order-faith-or-regeneration.html

But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born/gennao, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God. (Joh 1:12-13 NRSVue) *A disciple received and believed because he had been “born of God”, not by man’s will, but by God’s sovereign will.

Jesus answered him, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born/gennao from above.” (Joh 3:3 NRSVue) *Clearly refers to God above

The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born/gennao of the Spirit.” (Joh 3:8 NRSVue) *Being born anew or born from above is as much of the sovereignty of God, as is the wind.

If you perceive that he is righteous, you also know that everyone who does right has been born of him. (1Jn 2:29 NRSVue)
Those who have been born of God do not sin because God’s seed abides in them; they cannot sin because they have been born of God. (1Jn 3:9 NRSVue)
Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. (1Jn 4:7 NRSVue)
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the parent loves the child. (1Jn 5:1 NRSVue)
for whatever is born of God conquers the world. And this is the victory that conquers the world, our faith. (1Jn 5:4 NRSVue)
We know that those who are born of God do not sin, but the one who was born of God protects them, and the evil one does not touch them. (1Jn 5:18 NRSVue)

but God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— (Eph 2:4-5 NRSVue) *We were dead, not sick, and dead men don’t, can’t believe!

A certain woman named Lydia, a worshiper of God, was listening to us; she was from the city of Thyatira and a dealer in purple cloth. The Lord opened her heart to listen eagerly to what was said by Paul. (Act 16:14 NRSVue) *The Lord ‘opened her heart’, or birthed her anew, so that she listened eagerly.

Sir, why are you a Christian and your neighbor is not? You reply, “Because I believed and he did not believe.” If your faith was the deciding factor, you claim your salvation was not ALL of God, because God in your eyes did the same for every person; it was you who made the difference. You now can boast!

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— not the result of works, so that no one may boast. (Eph 2:8-9 NRSVue) *Believing is called a work in John 6:29. If a person believing is the deciding factor, he can boast.

In contrast, God is why you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption, in order that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” (1Co 1:30-31 NRSVue)

NOW I ASK YOU, DOES THE ARTICLE IN THE CHRISTIAN POST RING TRUE WHEN COMPARED TO SCRIPTURE?

[Act 18:27 KJV] 27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

 

[tablet123]

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

Mat 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

Luk 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all.

Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Scripture is clear being born again, anew, or from above precedes faith.

This is not true for nothing gets done without faith.

Salvation and healing cannot happen until we have faith.

To say we are born again before faith is to say we are saved before we have faith.

Which cannot happen.

We are saved by faith so we cannot be saved before faith.

If we are saved before faith then why do we have to have faith to be saved or healed.

Faith also testifies that we have a choice in our salvation.

Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.

God does the calling on earth.

If people are saved in the beginning without their choice why is God calling some people that He does not choose.

Because God calls them on earth so we have a choice in our salvation.

That is why we need faith to be saved.

When God calls a person He will work in their life to get them to the truth but when they get to the door of truth the person has to make the choice to go through the door for God's kingdom is true love but they would of not got to the door of truth if He did not intervene.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

Not everyone goes through the door of truth.

Many are called but few are chosen.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

God wants all people to be saved so we have to have faith to be saved.

Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation.

God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning.

The saints predestined to salvation means that God had the plan to give mankind salvation from the foundation of the world so it is the same as if they have salvation in the beginning.

And this salvation is to whoever wants this salvation for God wants all people to be saved.

 

[Cameron143]

IMO The question was : How does one enter the Kingdom of God" is what Nicodemus was trying to answer, not a spiritual transformation for he was already a believer. After 1900 years the church decides it is a story of spiritual transformation. I believe it is a story of the resurrection of being born from above.

How was Nicodemus already a believer? He understood nothing of spiritual reality. He was certainly seeking and, perhaps and probably, came to believe. But recognizing Jesus came from God because of miracles and believing on Him for salvation are very different things.

 

[Omegatime]

How was Nicodemus already a believer? He understood nothing of spiritual reality. He was certainly seeking and, perhaps and probably, came to believe. But recognizing Jesus came from God because of miracles and believing on Him for salvation are very different things.

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Do you not think Nicodemus, who believed in the resurrection being a Pharisee, was thinking of how this was going to be accomplished but suggested to enter again into the womb.

Not all the Sanhedrin believed in a resurrection

 

[Cameron143]

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Do you not think Nicodemus, who believed in the resurrection being a Pharisee, was thinking of how this was going to be accomplished but suggested to enter again into the womb.

Not all the Sanhedrin believed in a resurrection

I think Nicodemus was very confused and, though reverent, was carnally minded. That's why he thought of a second physical birth and couldn't conceive of a spiritual one.

 

[homwardbound]

It is best to see the perspective of who was writing the epistle. It was Jews -

"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full." (1John 1:1-4, KJV)

So, writing from the perspective of a Jew who saw and heard the Savior, he writes the following:

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1John 2:1-2, KJV)

In chapter 3 of his gospel, John taught the Pharisee, Nicodemus, that God loved not only the Jews, but Gentiles as well, the "world". In Revelation, John gives further illustration of what he means by world:

"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;" (Rev 5:9, KJV)

Christ redeemed persons "out of" the various nations, people, kindred and tongue. Weymouth makes it even more clear -

"And now they sing a new song. "It is fitting," they say, "that Thou shouldst be the One to take the book And break its seals; Because Thou hast been offered in sacrifice, And hast purchased for God with Thine own blood Some out of every tribe and language and people and nation," (Rev 5:9, Weymouth)

Born again is from God Father through the risen Son Jesus for us all. It is done for us by belief to see and be new as Father leads us each inn Spirit and Truth as He led Jesus first.
I (Jesus) speaking do nothing or say nothing unless Father tells me. This is for us that believe God in the done work of Son that reconciled us all as forgiven by God Father, first. Not others, necessarily The gift is between God and each that believes God personally first
It is finished John 19:30. Jesus did not destroy Law, Jesus, fulfilled Law perfect. The one and only one in flesh and blood ever.
Then risen for us to be given new life in God Father's Spirit and Truth to lead us too. Not pridefully ever or guilty either anymore.
Just love as are loved first by God through Son, Easy peasy, God loves us all y'all, otherwise that cross would not have ever happened
Thank you Father and Son as Won wow!

 

[Omegatime]

I think Nicodemus was very confused and, though reverent, was carnally minded. That's why he thought of a second physical birth and couldn't conceive of a spiritual one.

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One is sealed with the Spirit when one has faith in the Lord but to enter the Kingdom is another.

No one who has flesh and blood entered the Kingdom of God

 

[homwardbound]

I think Nicodemus was very confused and, though reverent, was carnally minded. That's why he thought of a second physical birth and couldn't conceive of a spiritual one.

Yet did he, finally see in belief, when he was one that helped carry Jesus down off the cross? God is amazingly good all the time, as good is God all the time.

Personally beleive God and eventually see and grow up in ?Father and Son as Won for you to be in and still not worthy.
Wow Isaiah 6:1-7

 

[Omegatime]

I think Nicodemus was very confused and, though reverent, was carnally minded. That's why he thought of a second physical birth and couldn't conceive of a spiritual one.

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Don't think Nicodemus believed in the Lord??

2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

 

[Cameron143]

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One is sealed with the Spirit when one has faith in the Lord but to enter the Kingdom is another.

No one who has flesh and blood entered the Kingdom of God

How then is the kingdom in us?

 

[Cameron143]

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Don't think Nicodemus believed in the Lord??

2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

He believed Jesus was from God. He didn't believe on Him for his salvation.