You are mistaken.
You are making a lot of statements without offering Scripture proof.
Proof it with Scripture.
Post your proof first then I will post my proof.
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You are making a lot of statements without offering Scripture proof.
Proof it with Scripture.
Post your proof first then I will post my proof.
Important to differentiate for sure.
This idea has been presented here before.
Of course in the futurist lens, eschatology is refitted on an as needed basis, to meet the ever changing geopolitical landscape and the various power alliances.
Satan and the RC church know the scripture, I think it is far more diabolical and effective on their part to present one counterfeit after another.
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I do not know who this "prior member" was, but you should check your sources. In other words, Peter neither stated the above, nor did he claim anything in relation to it, nor did he set any such precedent.
Act 15:13
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15
And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16
After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
James did the speaking here. Not Peter.
Nope.
In reality, Peter stated no such thing.
For starters, all throughout scripture, David's throne is an earthly throne, and never a heavenly throne. If you believe otherwise, then cite us even a single scriptural example to back your totally erroneous assertion. Furthermore, whenever a throne in mentioned in heaven in the New Testament, it is never called "David's throne." Instead, it is always called "God's throne," and nowhere is this more evident than in the book of Revelation.
Here. Follow this link, and you will find every instance in the New Testament where the word "throne" appears.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=throne&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_3
Go ahead. Find even a single instance in scripture where a heavenly throne is called "David's throne." You will never be able to do the same because no such reference exists. Instead, you will repeatedly find instances where the throne in heaven is called "God's throne." In fact, Jesus said the following after being exalted to heaven.
Rev 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
According to Jesus Christ, he is seated with his Father in his (God's) throne, and he made a clear distinction between his Father's throne and "my throne" or his own throne.
When will Christ sit on "my throne" or "his throne?"
Jesus plainly told us when this will occur.
Mat 19:27
Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Mat 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
When Christ returns to establish the kingdom of God here on earth, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory, or then shall he inherit the promised throne of David.
Luk 1:30
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luk 1:31
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
It is at this time, the time of Christ's second coming, that Christ will not only sit upon the throne of David, but the Apostles will also sit upon twelve thrones while judging the twelve tribes of Israel. It is also at this time, the time of Christ's second coming, that the saints will inherit the kingdom which has been prepared for them from the foundation of the world.
All that you have proven in your arguments here is that you do not know what you are talking about. My advice to you would be to stop posting more error, and to start humbling yourself before God to determine why your end-times theology is so out of sync with the word of God.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
This is a future event for Israel will be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah from that time forward and never stray again.
The New Age Christ will negotiate peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Hebrews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it happen and they will not be in the nations anymore.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
They will rebuild their temple and go back to animal sacrifices.
This happens at the time when the antichrist is deceiving the world and casting the truth to the ground.
Which he will step into their temple and tell them to stop animal sacrificing and he is their God and savior.
This happens before God turns them to the truth.
The peace treaty is for 7 years.
The first three and one half years Israel will go by the Old Testament and the sacrifices although some will be claim Jesus as Messiah.
The last three and one half years God will turn the nation of Israel to the truth.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Some people may say we are the temple and the physical building does not mean anything.
But the Hebrews do not realize that for they are blinded in part.
So when they are gathered out of the nations and put on their land they will go by the Old Testament ways.
Which the peace treaty will allow them to rebuild their temple with no hassle.
Also God will not begin to turn Israel to the truth until salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles.
Which happens in the middle of the 7 years when the Gentiles take the mark of the beast.
Then for the last three and one half years God turns them to the truth.
So the first three and one half years they are blinded in part and will go by the Old Testament sacrifices because the peace treaty allows them to rebuild their 3rd temple.
So they will do what they can to please God which in the past they could not do that.
Yep and don't worry about being deceived by a False Prophet sitting in the third Temple just prior to the return of Christ...
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
Dan 9:26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
Dan 11:35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.
Dan 11:36 "Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.
Dan 11:38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.
Go back to IIThs 2 here, the Beast will actually see the False Prophet as a god sitting in the Temple at the time of the end as we see in verse 35 here.
Dan 11:39 Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
There is only one Holy Place on earth and it is in the physical Temple.
Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
The church is the Spiritual Temple but there will be a physical Temple built. It will be defiled by the False Prophet and have to be purified at the time Christ returns. Read Ezek 43:13 to the end of the chapter. The Altar area needs to be cleansed.
The sanctuary and all the services associated with it are made void by the death of Jesus.
A temple on earth is useless and has no value with God because Jesus fulfilled all.
The blood of animals mean nothing.
Jesus is my sacrifice.
If you go back to the shadow types that were there to point forward to Jesus, You are taking your focus of Jesus the true lamb.
Heb 9:8-11
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
The devil wants people to take their focus off the perfect lamb, that has done all above to save us, and get us to focus on Earthly things that have no power to save.
The Earthly is useless to save. Put your faith in the heavenly things.
B
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1 Cor. 3:16-17 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
1 Cor. 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.
1 Cor. 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.
Do you not know it's split in to two sentences.
Do you not know you are the temple of God.
And if anyone defiles your Temple of God, God will destroy them
Do you not know it would be better for you to have a millstone than to harm one of his children.
Might I suggest you read Ezek 40 - 48? There is a physical Temple on earth when Christ returns and it stands throughout the Millennium and the Great White Throne judgment period. Jesus Christ is there at Jerusalem.
Take a read of Zech 14. The nations that survive the Tribulation and the Day of the Lord and live over into the Millennium will worship at Jerusalem They will keep the Sabbath
Isa 66:20 Then they shall bring all your brethren for an offering to the LORD out of all nations, on horses and in chariots and in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," says the LORD, "as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
Isa 66:21 And I will also take some of them for priests and Levites," says the LORD.
Isa 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the LORD, "So shall your descendants and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD.
And God's Feast Days
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
Including the Feast of Tabernacles...
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Yes the church is the spiritual temple but there will be a physical temple,
2Th 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
2Th 2:2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
This will not happen in the church.
Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
Mat 24:16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Dan 11:35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.
This sets the time frame...
Dan 11:36 "Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 He shall regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women, nor regard any god; for he shall exalt himself above them all.
Dan 11:38 But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses; and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.
Dan 11:39 Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.
This is the Beast of Rev 13
The foreign god that his fathers did not know is the False Prophet (see Rev 13:11-18). This is the Man of Sin referred to in IIThs 2.
I will not pretend to know how this will unfold, but have noticed that Thessalonians 2:4 the word "naos" is used for temple.
Greek has 2 words for temple, "naos" -most often used for the bodily temple, and "heiros" used for a temple made with hands.
I have considered that this verse implies that Antichrist will be lodged within the body of professing Christians.
Scary thought in a way.
It does not seem reasonable to attribute these chapters to the building of a future temple because it is clear that God delights in the work that is described.
God will not delight in the building of a third physical temple, because He has already given His son on the cross to build us a spiritual one.
Ezekiel lived shortly before and during the Babylonian captivity and it is clear from the context that he is speaking about the second temple.
Why would he not speak to the captives of this relevant event?
Micah and Isaiah are 8th century prophets.
Commenter Heishere has at least established that "in the last days" does not have to mean at the end of this world.
Have nations beat their swords into plowshares?
Has dominion returned to the daughter of Zion?
That depends on what time of history we are speaking about.
Jesus is the king both now and forever, but will have no use for a man made temple.
When the "city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven" (Revelations 3:12) is here,
will Jesus leave it to live in the old Jerusalem?
What will He do with the new one then?
Use it for scrap?