144,000: The first resurrection and rapture of the church

[Psalm1]

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Defend your doctrine.
You really think minimizing me or my character makes your "doctrine" suddenly true???

Show me how the 12 tribes listed By THE HOLY SPIRIT are magically some spiritual band aid propping up your doctrine, instead of what they are.

 

[Aaron56]

We can all see why you change the forbidden book.
You should approach that book with reverence.

Declaring something God said that clearly, as some garbage, is beyond appalling.

Less responding and more studying would help you immensely!

You can even read the Bible online: https://biblehub.com/childrens/

 

[Aaron56]

Defend your doctrine.
You really think minimizing me or my character makes your "doctrine" suddenly true???

Show me how the 12 tribes listed By THE HOLY SPIRIT are magically some spiritual band aid propping up your doctrine, instead of what they are.

You ask good questions.

You're on your way to greater knowledge and understanding!

Yay, Psalm1!

 

[Psalm1]

QUOTE
"To say "Jesus is the firstfruits of the church" is not correct. He is the firstfruits of the resurrection"

Here is the resurrection that Jesus is firstfruits of; ( ahem....the dead CHURCH SAINTS)
1 thes 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Jesus the firstfruits of the CHURCH SAINTS THAT DIED PRIOR TO THE RESURRECTION OF THE CHURCH.

Jesus, beyong question, is the firstfruits of the church.

Actually appalling you could not grasp something that basic

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Give it an Honest try.
Show me what the firstfruits dynamic of Jesus is outside the dead in CHRIST RESURRECTED.

 

[Psalm1]

You ask good questions.

You're on your way to greater knowledge and understanding!

Yay, Psalm1!

So you do not know what is declared in the bible, so every post of yours is some general side issue?????

You declared with authority that Jesus is not what the bible says he is.

DUE TO YOUR "DOCTRINAL REWRITE"

.....then declared the 144 k are something you made up.

....then when you can not defend that bizarre doctrine you tell others to study.

 

[Aaron56]

So you do not know what is declared in the bible, so every post of yours is some general side issue?????

You declared with authority that Jesus is not what the bible says he is.

DUE TO YOUR "DOCTRINAL REWRITE"

.....then declared the 144 k are something you made up.

....then when you can not defend that bizarre doctrine you tell others to study.

Jesus said “Let the children come to me!”
Far be it from me to block you from the Lord!
Keep going Psalm1! We all start somewhere!

 

[ATG]

The Tribe of Dan isn't mentioned. Here's why:
The tribe of Dan was the 1st tribe of Israel to plunge into pagan IDOLATRY! Danites failed to drive out their Philistine & Canaanite neighbors. As a result, they migrated to another land in the northernmost limits of Canaan.

There is no OT Scripture nor prophecy of the tribe of Dan being stricken from natural Israel. Therefore, there is no such Scripture for NT prophecy to fulfill. Such as: "As it is written in the prophets, Thy tribe and name, O Dan, shalt no more be remembered among the children of Israel..."

Nowhere in OT Scripture is there any mention of Dan ever having their etched stone stripped from the high priest's breastplate, which were the stones of promise for the LORD's covenant and law and blessing to His people Israel.

In fact, the reverse is prophesied,
Eze 48:1
Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goeth to Hamath, Hazarenan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for Dan.

The only OT prophecy for Dan is being named foremost among the tribes of Israel, to receive their allotment of land promised to Abraham and His natural seed...NT prophecy does not negate OT prophecy, so that prophecy of God is not fulfilled.

Num 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

The tribe of Dan continues with natural Israel today, and will dwell in their allotted promised land in the days of Christ's Millennium.

It's true other Tribes fell into idolatry, but, only the Tribe of Dan picked-up & left the promised land.

This is a bad interpretation about ancient Dan, to support an even worse interpretation for future Dan.

1. All the Danites did not leave their original inheritance.
Jdg 18:1
In those days there was no king in Israel: and in those days the tribe of the Danites sought them an inheritance to dwell in; for unto that day all their inheritance had not fallen unto them among the tribes of Israel.

The Scripture does not say that all the tribe of Dan left Zorah and Eshtaol to take over a valley of Zidon. Indeed, They had not taken all the land allotted to them, but they are not the only tribe to fall short of the land promised to them:

Jdg 1:21
And the children of Benjamin did not drive out the Jebusites that inhabited Jerusalem; but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Benjamin in Jerusalem unto this day.

In fact, 8 of the 12 tribes fell short of their promised conquests.

What Dan choose to do was not to accept their smaller portion, and so took it upon themselves to go and take other land more easily conquered. Instead, they 'colonized' a new northern valley.

2. Their new city was not rejected by the LORD, but rather the LORD chose it as the new northern border of all Israel.

Jdg 18:28
And there was no deliverer, because it was far from Zidon, and they had no business with any man; and it was in the valley that lieth by Bethrehob. And they built a city, and dwelt therein. And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first.

Jdg 20:1
Then all the children of Israel went out, and the congregation was gathered together as one man, from Dan even to Beersheba, with the land of Gilead, unto the LORD in Mizpeh.

2Ch 30:5
So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beersheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the passover unto the LORD God of Israel at Jerusalem: for they had not done it of a long time in such sort as it was written.

Has no one heard of Israel from Dan to Beesheba? If the name of Dan were stricken from the Scriptural record of Israel, because of their movement north, then Dan to Beersheba certainly would not be afterward chosen by the LORD as the new boundary for all the land of Israel. Which became the now famous quick identifier of all Israel, at least unto the latter days of Hezekiah.

The fact that the risen LORD will first allot to Dan the land promised to Abraham and his seed, can readily be read as a reward for their industriousness in taking of Laish and the valley round about. In fact, the only time the whole tribe of Dan moves north from midwest Israel, is when the risen LORD Himself gives them all the land of the north, along with their prized and famous city, Dan.

 

[ATG]

(B) These 144k were redeemed from among men)
(C) Being firstfruits (plural) onto God & to the Lamb. These were the 1st to die on Christ's behalf & after Christ the 1st to be resurrected

There is no Scripture of the firstfruits of Christ being those who first die in Christ.

And the context of the first 144,000 to die in Christ, being all Jews, means the first 144,000 would need die in Christ before the conversion of Cornelius household. Otherwise, the gospel is once again Judaized to exclude the Gentiles.

And if all the first 144,000 must die before recorded Gentile conversion, in order to be all Jews, then that excludes the apostles that died later. As well as contradcitng their own testimony of also being the firstfruits of God in Christ Jesus:

Jas 1:18
Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

We see of course that the firstfruits of His creatures, are all the newborn creatures in Christ Jesus, without respect to Jew or Gentile.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

We see here in the Scriptures, that the firstfruits are of the Spirit, and of the resurrection of the body. All them that have the firstfruits, without respect of persons, are also them that are the firstfruits:

1Co 16:15
I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

And finally, the resurrection of all the firstfruits includes all that die in Christ, and them remaining alive on earth at the Lord's return:

1Co 15:23
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Not at the first 144,000 to die in the Lord.

The Scriptural firstfruits of Christ are: 1. All them receiving the firstfruits of the Spirit. 2. All them begotten of God in Christ Jesus 3. All them at Christ's coming.

(B) These 144k were redeemed from among men)
(C) Being firstfruits (plural) onto God & to the Lamb. These were the 1st to die on Christ's behalf & after Christ the 1st to be resurrected

It is true that all who die in Christ, and them that remain alive at His return, are the first to be resurrected and changed together after Christ Himself. In this, they are the firstfruits of the resurrection of the body after the man Christ Jesus.

Which will include all OT saints that died in the LORD by faith:

1Co 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Herod doesn't kill the male children under 2 in Bethlehem only. He has every 2 yr male & under killed in ALL THE COASTS THEREOF.

Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
(PARSING: The 144k were all virgins without fault & in their mouth was found NO GUILE. Remember killed at 2 years old or younger)

Once again, as with all the redeemed saints partaking of the firstfruits of the Spirit, so are all babes in Christ purged of guile, deceit, and without fault before God:

1Pe 2:1
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Jde 1:24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Rev 14:4
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

The 144,000 are the fulness of the body of Christ at His coming, with resurrected bodies of every redeemed, firstfruit, guileless, and faultless saint in Christ Jesus, the Jew first, and also the Greek.

1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
(MY NOTE: Christ is resurrected 1st)

Matt 27:50 Jesus dies, Vs 51 the Temple is ripped in two, Vs 52 Graves are opened, Vs 53 After Jesus resurrection MANY CAME OUT OF THE GRAVE!

I believe the 1st that were killed become, not only a 1st fruits wave offering unto the Father. But, the 1st friut's of the many to resurrect after Jesus.

The many, being 144,000. And in the first resurrection of the dead after Jesus Christ.

First: You're calling the OT saints coming out of the graves, a bodily resurrection and redemption of the body. If so, there are several recorded bodily resurrections before Jesus Christ, most notably Lazarus, but also several others in OT Scripture.

Therefore, since Jesus Christ is the firstfruits of resurrected bodies, then those OT saints coming out of graves after Jesus' resurrection, were not bodily resurrected from the dead.

If the firstfruits are only the first 144,000 Jews dying in Christ, after His resurrection. Then that excludes all OT saints that also died in the LORD; Which includes the murdered Jewish babes and little children before Jesus' crucifixion. (As well as those Hebrew babes murdered by Pharaoh...)

Second: The first blessed resurrection of the dead in Christ, will also be reigning with Him over the nations for a thousand years. Once again, that includes all them overcoming in this life, even as He overcame:

Rev 2:26
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Including those converted Greeks of Thyatira.

There is no resurrection of the dead in Christ, before the first resurrection of the dead in Christ, who will reign with Christ a thousand years. And they promise is made to every overcoming Christian of every church of God, not just that of Thyatira, nor that of Jews alone...

 

[rogerg]

And, once again, since the first resurrection is not only of Christian Jews, but of all Christian servants and saints, then the 144,000 in Rev 14, that are resurrected and standing with the Lamb Jesus Christ, cannot only be Christian Jews.

Agreed. And that can also be seen by tracing those who learn the "new song". They represent the 144,000 but were redeemed,
" OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION". They are additionally identified as the " REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH"
- all of the redeemed from the earth - not only Christian Jews.
I also agree that the first resurrection refers to those who attained salvation through Christ during their lifetimes.

[Rev 5:9 KJV] 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

[Rev 14:3 KJV] 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

 

[FlyingDove]

Explanations:

3. The 144,000 cannot be only the natural children of Israel, since all the names of the tribes engraved on the high priest's ephod, are not written in Rev 7. Dan is not included, so that the Scripture is broken between the Old and New Testament names.

Scripture disagrees with your made-up narrative:

Rev 7:
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand """of all the tribes of the children of Israel""".

5 Of the ""tribe of Juda"" were sealed twelve thousand. Of the ""tribe of Reuben"" were sealed twelve thousand. Of the ""tribe of Gad" were sealed twelve thousand.
(MY NOTE: Juda, Reuben & Gad = 3)

6 Of the ""tribe of Aser"" were sealed twelve thousand. Of the ""tribe of Nepthalim"" were sealed twelve thousand. Of the ""tribe of Manasses"" were sealed twelve thousand.
(MY NOTE: Aser, Nepthalim & Manasses = 6)

7 Of the ""tribe of Simeon"" were sealed twelve thousand. Of the ""tribe of Levi"" were sealed twelve thousand. Of the ""tribe of Issachar"" were sealed twelve thousand.
(MY NOTE: Simeon, Levi & Issachar = 9)

8 Of the ""tribe of Zabulon"" were sealed twelve thousand. Of the ""tribe of Joseph"" were sealed twelve thousand. Of the ""tribe of Benjamin"" were sealed twelve thousand.
(MY NOTE: Zabulon, Joseph & Benjamin = 12)

The 12 TRIBE 144k are 100% Israelites!

KJV Dictionary Definition: TRIBE, n. L. tribus.

1. A family, race or series of generations, descending from the same progenitor and kept distinct, as in the case of the twelve tribes of Israel, descended from the twelve sons of Jacob.

Vines Bible Dictionary of New Testament Words: TRIBE

a) The word "tribe" is never used in the Bible to refer gentiles. As follows: "Tribe" is found 297 times in the Bible, and ""every time"" it refers to the Israelites.

Gen 32:28 God changed Jacob's name to Israel. The 12 TRIBES of Israel are Jacob's sons. The 144k are 100% Israelites!

 

[Psalm1]

Jesus said “Let the children come to me!”
Far be it from me to block you from the Lord!
Keep going Psalm1! We all start somewhere!

Go play Jr.
Either debate or take your condescension elsewhere.
You have teachers.
You do not investigate yourself.
They make a fool out of you and you can not debate toe to toe. So now your snarky mess is all you got.
It is beyond obvious you are outta your league....as you are demonstrating

 

[Psalm1]

Agreed. And that can also be seen by tracing those who learn the "new song". They represent the 144,000 but were redeemed,
" OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION". They are additionally identified as the " REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH"
- all of the redeemed from the earth - not only Christian Jews.
I also agree that the first resurrection refers to those who attained salvation through Christ during their lifetimes.

[Rev 5:9 KJV] 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

[Rev 14:3 KJV] 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

QUOTE
""ATG said:
And, once again, since the first resurrection is not only of Christian Jews, but of all Christian servants and saints, then the 144,000 in Rev 14, that are resurrected and standing with the Lamb Jesus Christ, cannot only be Christian Jews.

Then you reply;
""Agreed. And that can also be seen by tracing those who learn the "new song". They represent the 144,000 but were redeemed,
" OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION". They are additionally identified as the " REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH"
- all of the redeemed from the earth - not only Christian Jews.""

Both of you
Way way way off.
Rev 5 HAS THE 24 ELDERS SINGING THAT SONG
AHEM.....
REV 5
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

THEY....THE 24 ELDERS SANG A NEW SONG.

Both of you misrepresent the bible.

We KNOW who the 144K are.
You do not because your teachers have you believing the bible is wrong.

I am making you go against the bible.

 

[FlyingDove]

Go play Jr.
Either debate or take your condescension elsewhere.
You have teachers.
You do not investigate yourself.
They make a fool out of you and you can not debate toe to toe. So now your snarky mess is all you got.
It is beyond obvious you are outta your league....as you are demonstrating

I must have hit a nerve. The posted verses (I didn't write them) are clear. The 144k are 100% Israelite. Jew 144k Jews as you claim, are only 1/12th of Israel. Every Jew is an Israelite not every Israelite is a Jew. Jews are from the TRIBE of JUDAH! Quit making stuff up & own your mistake.

 

[Psalm1]

In Rev 7, the 144,000 are sealed in the forehead on earth. In Rev 14 the 144,000 are sealed with the name of the Father, and they are now standing with the Lamb of God on Mt Sion.

Therefore, the 144,000 are resurrected and ascended with the Lamb Jesus Christ. This must be the first resurrection of the blessed and holy saints of God. There are only two resurrections from the dead (Other than that of the man Jesus Christ), where the first resurrection is all saints, and the next resurrection of the rest of the dead, includes both the good and the bad, whose names are written and not written in the Lamb's book of life.

In Rev 7, the angels holding the winds still over the earth, are them that seal the servants of God in their foreheads. This is collectively altogether at once, just as the resurrection and immortal changing of the saints on earth, is collectively in a moment and twinkling of the eye.

The angels are standing at the four corners of the earth holding the four winds, which is also from where the resurrected saints will be gathered to meet and stand with Jesus in the air.

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And so, we have the first resurrection, rapture, and congregation with the Lord at His return to earth.

Wel well well
Leave out every rapture verse, then go into when the rapture happens.

That omission, as you have demonstrated, landed you in error.

The rapture is the gathering of the bride.


ALL END TIMES...IN FACT THE ENTIRE BIBLE CENTERS ON 3 THINGS
1) The 2 wives
2) the throne of David re established, and Jesus occupying it.
3) the dilemma of sinful man/ Holy God, and the remedy being God's son

 

[Psalm1]

I must have hit a nerve. The posted verses (I didn't write them) are clear. The 144k are 100% Israelite. Jew 144k Jews as you claim, are only 1/12th of Israel. Every Jew is an Israelite not every Israelite is a Jew. Jews are from the TRIBE of JUDAH! Quit making stuff up & own your mistake.

Paul called them Jews.
Is the Bible inspired by the Holy Spirit.?
The mistake is by the Holy Spirit?

 

[rogerg]

QUOTE
""ATG said:
And, once again, since the first resurrection is not only of Christian Jews, but of all Christian servants and saints, then the 144,000 in Rev 14, that are resurrected and standing with the Lamb Jesus Christ, cannot only be Christian Jews.

Then you reply;
""Agreed. And that can also be seen by tracing those who learn the "new song". They represent the 144,000 but were redeemed,
" OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION". They are additionally identified as the " REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH"
- all of the redeemed from the earth - not only Christian Jews.""

Both of you
Way way way off.
Rev 5 HAS THE 24 ELDERS SINGING THAT SONG
AHEM.....
REV 5
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

THEY....THE 24 ELDERS SANG A NEW SONG.

Both of you misrepresent the bible.

We KNOW who the 144K are.
You do not because your teachers have you believing the bible is wrong.

I am making you go against the bible.

Wait - weren't the verses in my post included from the Bible? I certainly didn't make them up. It is you therefore who is going against the Bible, not me - you refuse to acknowledge what is clearly stated and demonstrated - that there are two Israels mentioned in the Bible: an Israel of this world but also a spiritual Israel which is the Israel of the world to come. God divorced the earthly Israel and made the true spiritual Church the new spiritual Israel

[Rev 5:9 KJV] 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

[Rev 14:3 KJV] 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Paul called them Jews.
Is the Bible inspired by the Holy Spirit.?
The mistake is by the Holy Spirit?

That's because he was speaking about those who followed the Judean religion.

 

[rogerg]

QUOTE
""ATG said:
And, once again, since the first resurrection is not only of Christian Jews, but of all Christian servants and saints, then the 144,000 in Rev 14, that are resurrected and standing with the Lamb Jesus Christ, cannot only be Christian Jews.

Then you reply;
""Agreed. And that can also be seen by tracing those who learn the "new song". They represent the 144,000 but were redeemed,
" OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION". They are additionally identified as the " REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH"
- all of the redeemed from the earth - not only Christian Jews.""

Both of you
Way way way off.
Rev 5 HAS THE 24 ELDERS SINGING THAT SONG
AHEM.....
REV 5
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

THEY....THE 24 ELDERS SANG A NEW SONG.

Both of you misrepresent the bible.

We KNOW who the 144K are.
You do not because your teachers have you believing the bible is wrong.

I am making you go against the bible.

[1Pe 2:9-10 KJV]
9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

 

[rogerg]

Rev 5 HAS THE 24 ELDERS SINGING THAT SONG
AHEM.....

And those elders are also part of the 144,000, as are all of the saved/saints.

[Psa 149:1 KJV] 1 Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, [and] his praise in the congregation of saints.

 

[Aaron56]

Go play Jr.
Either debate or take your condescension elsewhere.
You have teachers.
You do not investigate yourself.
They make a fool out of you and you can not debate toe to toe. So now your snarky mess is all you got.
It is beyond obvious you are outta your league....as you are demonstrating

Aw, you should really be reading the Bible more. It's okay: when you get older having a routine comes easier.
You can do it!