God swore and oath, He made a promise. Either God is a promise keeper or a liar. It's that simple.
Israel and the present conflict
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God swore and oath, He made a promise. Either God is a promise keeper or a liar. It's that simple.
I brought that into the discussion to make the point that facts matter. Several here are saying "Let's change the facts history because it makes the Arabs (Palestinians) feel bad." There has never been a Palestinian country, just like there are two genders. We don't change facts to suit peoples feelings.
Ah! So that's what Paul was doing in Romans! Well that's quite a charge. I'll don't think I'll touch that one.
God is a Zionist, the Word does allow it. God swore an oath, I serve a God that keeps His promises. Because if He wont keep His promises to the Jews He's not obligated to keep them to you!
You and your friends are sadly mistaken on all that Rosemary.
My grandparents an father were born there, and it was called Palestine all over the world.
The people have been called Palestinians ever since the crusaders left.
Muslims and Christian Palestinians alike have long been very patriotic about living in the land of Jesus.
Your idea that "Arabs" all fit into the same basket is far divorced from reality.
How would the concept work in Eastern Europe?
Polish, Ukrainian, Hungarian and Russian all living as one big happy family, sharing the same country?
They are all WHITE after all are they not?
Egyptians, Palestinians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Iraqis and Iranians are all very much distinct peoples.
These people are attached to their lands and traditions in a way that Westerners have forgotten.
It is never a weakness to test the things that your favorite preacher says, Rosemary.
But it wasn't a country.
But it wasn't a country. Muslims don't believe in Jesus, why would they care?
No such country or people as the Palestinians as they are designated today. Palestine was a name given to mock the Jews. Let's state historic facts...
- Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state 2.Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 3.Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state. 4.Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state. 5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state. 6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state. 7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state. 8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state. 9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state. 10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state. 11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state. 12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state. 13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state. 14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state. 15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state. 16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state. 17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state. 18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state. 19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state. 20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE !!!!!!
You don't seem to have talked to many Muslims.
They very much care about their understanding of Jesus the prophet, and do not remain silent when His name is blasphemed.
Many also believe He will return to save the world, yet somehow is a secondary prophet to their Mohammad.
The rest of your post seems to be a repeat of the hasbarah stuff that Gideon posted a while back.
My sister has a grumpy old parrot like that too.
Always listening to whatever it feels like and repeating it.
They very much care about their understanding of Jesus the prophet, and do not remain silent when His name is blasphemed.
Many also believe He will return to save the world, yet somehow is a secondary prophet to their Mohammad.
The rest of your post seems to be a repeat of the hasbarah stuff that Gideon posted a while back.
My sister has a grumpy old parrot like that too.
Always listening to whatever it feels like and repeating it.
Of course. The scriptures tell us that Jesus was the evidence the God kept His promise:
13 For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, 14 saying, “Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you.” 15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16 For men indeed swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is for them an end of all dispute. 17 Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the [f]immutability of His counsel, [g]confirmed it by an oath, 18 that by two [h]immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we [i]might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.
19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, 20 where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.
And
6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
The silly part of this is not the point itself, but the fact that you and your friends think that it is so relevant.
Kentucky is not a nation.
Does that give me the right to take lives and property there on the claim of ancient native ancestry?
I hate spelling these things out, because it is like an insult to peoples intelligence.
As bad as telling the punchline before the joke is finished.
Why are you so stiffnecked? He has told you several times that his grandfather had his land stolen
The Jews did not steal the land. It was their homeland for 3000 yrs and then when they came back they still paid exorbitant prices for the worst of the land. Arabs were given a chance to have the majority of the land, and the better half and they refused it. Even Google backs me up. Historic facts.
Jews paid for land in Israel, with much of the land purchased through organizations like the Jewish National Fund and private individuals. This land was legally acquired through transactions that followed the real estate laws of the time, often from absentee Arab landowners and occasionally from the state. The land was frequently undeveloped and purchased at high prices, sometimes with compensation or resettlement offers for tenants and squatters.
Legal transactions: These were real estate transactions conducted according to Ottoman and later British Mandate laws.
Land characteristics: The land was often uncultivated, rocky, or swampy, but Jewish organizations paid high prices for it.
Impact on tenants: When land was purchased that had tenants, Jewish organizations often paid them above what was required by law for new owners, and some were resettled.
Why does the mosque on the Dome of the Rock have the inscription "Allah has no son" written on it?
Muslims have a warped idea of their own Jesus. They do not believe in the true Messiah that we do.
Yes, that's called historic facts. And no it's your problem because facts matter, not your feelings.
Please stop being so childish. I have never called either of you names, though you have insisted on doing so to me. This is trolling or baiting. I discuss with adults. I'm not doing the "I'm rubber your glue" routine. Name calling shows you've run out of ammo so you result to childishness. It's unbecoming, especially when you claim to be a Christ follower.
Eternities more Christlike than an utter void of humanity that gaslights a brother in the lord about a grievous loss his family has suffered. Reprobate is the only way to describe such a lack of compassion
I don't know about his situation. I do know the truth about history and shared it. Again, facts matter.