Should we have a market place buying and selling in the church today or not what else does the bible say ?

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Matthew 21:12-13
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12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Mark 11:15-17
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15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Luke 19:45-46
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45 When Jesus entered the temple courts, he began to drive out those who were selling. 46 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be a house of prayer’; but you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

John 2:13-16
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13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”
 
andy700700 said:
Matthew 21:12-13
New International Version
12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Mark 11:15-17
New International Version
15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Luke 19:45-46
New International Version
45 When Jesus entered the temple courts, he began to drive out those who were selling. 46 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be a house of prayer’; but you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

John 2:13-16
New International Version
13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”
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The church is not a building. It's a building where the church meets. There is no need to exchange money to or sell animals for sacrifice.
Modern day theft is by those who peddle the gospel for profit, those who lie and deceive and promise that believers will get rich - while the peddlers get rich themselves.
 
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Items I have seen been sold in the modern church are food, second hand goods, flee market items, sausages, crafts some have second hand shops build next to the church on church land
 
The place where church meets is supposed to be a house of prayer without a market that's what i get out of bible verses

Matthew 21:12-13
New International Version
12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”
 
A building is just a building. The Holy Spirit dwells in and among God's people, not a building. But I do think people need to be careful about not turning the body of Christ into a den of robbers.
 
andy700700 said:
Items I have seen been sold in the modern church are food, second hand goods, flee market items, sausages, crafts some have second hand shops build next to the church on church land
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It grates on me too. However, it is also none of my business. Perhaps the food is cheap to help those struggling. Likewise second hand goods. Some use the money to pay for building repairs to support the ministry. As far as I know, Lord Jesus has not come down from heaven and made a whip to punish those people.

God sees the heart. He knows why people do what they do.
 
andy700700 said:
Matthew 21:12-13
New International Version
12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Mark 11:15-17
New International Version
15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Luke 19:45-46
New International Version
45 When Jesus entered the temple courts, he began to drive out those who were selling. 46 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be a house of prayer’; but you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

John 2:13-16
New International Version
13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”
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The church should be a place for charity.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
A building is just a building. The Holy Spirit dwells in and among God's people, not a building. But I do think people need to be careful about not turning the body of Christ into a den of robbers.
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I agree. I have been in membership of churches which held services and other meetings in hired premises, such as community centres, schools, etc. In the bible, the word "church" is never used of the building where Christians meet.
 
Gideon300 said:
It grates on me too. However, it is also none of my business. Perhaps the food is cheap to help those struggling. Likewise second hand goods. Some use the money to pay for building repairs to support the ministry. As far as I know, Lord Jesus has not come down from heaven and made a whip to punish those people.

God sees the heart. He knows why people do what they do.
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I agree with you because I think it depends on the motive. Food( ie a kid may need something to eat or drink) other things maybe sold within the fencing of the church building for safety, depending on the surrounding area. So some people feel safe to buy stuff from fellow Christians within the fencing. Most of the time the people that do the selling are fellow Christians whom we fellowship with. So it depends on the reason for doing it.
 
andy700700 said:
The place where church meets is supposed to be a house of prayer without a market that's what i get out of bible verses
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The temple is not the local assembly building. The problem was not “doing business on temple property”, but rather exploitation of people who were forced to do business at significant disadvantage to meet man-made conditions for worship.

If you don’t want your local assembly to host business enterprises, don’t buy anything there. Save any moral outrage for more important issues.
 
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Dino246 said:
The temple is not the local assembly building. The problem was not “doing business on temple property”, but rather exploitation of people who were forced to do business at significant disadvantage to meet man-made conditions for worship.

If you don’t want your local assembly to host business enterprises, don’t buy anything there. Save any moral outrage for more important issues.
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yes, Jesus was angry about the " Temple tax", and the money exchangers and the fees they charged and probably animals for offering etc,..

having a small coffee shop and small book store. like my church does, is not like a street market and bank in church....
 
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Jovial said:
I agree with you because I think it depends on the motive. Food( ie a kid may need something to eat or drink) other things maybe sold within the fencing of the church building for safety, depending on the surrounding area. So some people feel safe to buy stuff from fellow Christians within the fencing. Most of the time the people that do the selling are fellow Christians whom we fellowship with. So it depends on the reason for doing it.
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Yes, but why did you not identify the proper motive?
IMO it would be to make money for charitable causes, such as food donations or a mission trip.
 
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andy700700 said:
Matthew 21:12-13
New International Version
12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Mark 11:15-17
New International Version
15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, 16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. 17 And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Luke 19:45-46
New International Version
45 When Jesus entered the temple courts, he began to drive out those who were selling. 46 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be a house of prayer’; but you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’”

John 2:13-16
New International Version
13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”
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Earth Church buildings are not of God, the Father of in the risen Son Jesus. as I see from Hebrews 8:1-4
 
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Omegatime said:
Yes, it is a building but there should not be a disagreement over an assembly that is called a church.

In Revelations 2-3 the assemblies were called churches
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They were translated "church"; John wrote ekklēsia, an assembly or congregation. I wouldn't it make it a salvation issue, just a truth issue.
 
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GWH said:
Yes, but why did you not identify the proper motive?
IMO it would be to make money for charitable causes, such as food donations or a mission trip.
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Of course, that's what I mean.; that money can be used to help others in need ; like welfare for people who minister, ie for evangelism and others in need of shelter, food, medical care etc.
 
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the motive was money for the church bills one time

and for the other time crafts (home made items) the some of the money went to the stall sellers who where people from outside of the church and some when to the church
 
andy700700 said:
the motive was money for the church bills one time

and for the other time crafts (home made items) the some of the money went to the stall sellers who where people from outside of the church and some when to the church
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Acts 8:20
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

Money here on earth is needed, yet to what extent? Motive is the problem, why am I getting, water Baptized? Why am I speaking to others and ask things? I am accountable for my motive(s) in all I do, ask and recieve

Motive, God sees the inside, man sees the outside. God is aware of all, good and bad. Might be best to turn to God in sincerity and rest in that, whether poor here or not,, thanking God whenever troubled, in troubles, and going through troubles,
Like Job in the book of Job, and deeper in Jesus the Son whom is risen from the dead for us to be risen too, thank you

John 16:33
 
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