What was nailed to the Stake? The Torah or the record of "your" sins?

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What was nailed to the cross/stake? God’s LAW - OR - the hand written “legal document” sentencing each one of us to death for transgressing God’s Holy LAW, which codifies what God has determined -- is -- Sin?

Was Jesus Christ forced to come to earth to correct the mistake His Father made by forcing the Torah upon the Children of Israel, which IS taught by the churches.

Did Christ come to free mankind from the Father’s harsh law of “bondage” ? To free us from that “burdensome” “harsh” “curse” of a Law Christ’s Father mistakenly laid upon men? Is this what is being taught by the 40,000 flavors of Christian churches? By the church you attend?

Do you really understand why Jesus Christ is our Savior, our Passover - not our easter, our Redeemer? And why Jesus Christ is the only “door’ to eternal life, not heaven? Do you actually understand what took place up on that “stauros”?

Run this through your mind, If Jesus Christ came to abolish the law, which He stated twice --“I did not come to destroy the Law/Torah”.

Why not just simply abolish the Law. The moment Christ became 30 years of age in 27 AD, the age a priest can work in the Temple, He then had the opportunity to remove the Law from the Covenant which means there would be no reason for Christ to die or for us to repent of our sins.

Without the 10 Commandments codifying what constitutes – Sin, SIN can not exist. Ever wonder why Two tables of stone? The Torah demands two witnesses before the death sentence can be carried out.

Here is another truth; it was the WORD that came to earth - Jesus THE Christ, that wrote with His finger, the 10 Commandments, not the Father.

Only the WORD of God, the Bible - the OLD and the NEW --both, contains the Truth of God and that Truth is scattered here a little and there a little from Genesis to Revelation. The Word of God is- by design - difficult to understand, which is amply proven by the fact there are upwards of 40,000 flavors or kinds of what is today commonly called Christianity.

Isaiah 28

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will " He" speak to this people.

13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.


I am interested in your thoughts and so far I have not been impressed. they bring to mind, mass confusion.
 
A. What was nailed to the cross/stake? God’s LAW - OR - the hand written “legal document” sentencing each one of us to death for transgressing God’s Holy LAW, which codifies what God has determined -- is -- Sin?
According to scripture what was "nailed to the cross" was the record of everything we had done did when we were rebellion against Him.

…13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.
He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! (Colossians 2:13-14)

B. Why not just simply abolish the Law. Do you mean, instead of cleansing and changing, US God reverses His expectation? He cannot do that because the Law was a reflection of His nature.

C. The moment Christ became 30 years of age in 27 AD, the age a priest can work in the Temple, He then had the opportunity to remove the Law from the Covenant which means there would be no reason for Christ to die or for us to repent of our sins. Just because priests begin to work in the temple does not mean that they can re-write the Law. The priests service in no way involved ALTERING the Law so that is not a valid comparison.

D. The Law is the TRUTH about God's expectations for us. It is a transcription in written form of His unchangeable nature of TRUTH and LOVE. These two (seemingly opposite) characteristics define WHO the Father is as well as what His WILL is for the human race since we were meant to bear His image. We see this in the NT where the Bible says this about Jesus:
14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His GLORY, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of GRACE AND TRUTH (John 1:14)
God cannot alter His own nature. He is and will always be exactly WHO HE IS.

B. Without the 10 Commandments codifying what constitutes – Sin, SIN can not exist. Ever wonder why Two tables of stone? The Torah demands two witnesses before the death sentence can be carried out.
That MIGHT be why God divided the commandments into two sets. However, since He never explicitly SAID why He did it, so this is just that is just speculation.

C. To say sin WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED unless they had been written down goes too far. Obviously, people who were were ignorant of the Mosaic Law still had some level of inward moral consciousness. God did not have to say to Cain "you shall not murder" for Cain to know it was wrong. Long before the tablets were written men knew that certain things were wrong.

D. In my estimation, the commands of Jesus were deeper and more demanding that the Mosaic Law and it is that we are told we must obey.
 
JimiSurvivor said:
A. What was nailed to the cross/stake? God’s LAW - OR - the hand written “legal document” sentencing each one of us to death for transgressing God’s Holy LAW, which codifies what God has determined -- is -- Sin?
According to scripture what was "nailed to the cross" was the record of everything we had done did when we were rebellion against Him.

I agree

…13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.
He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! (Colossians 2:13-14)

We are all under penalty of death, Christ Paid our debt, He did not cancel it, He Himself paid our debt.

B. Why not just simply abolish the Law. Do you mean, instead of cleansing and changing, US God reverses His expectation? He cannot do that because the Law was a reflection of His nature.

I believe it is commonly taught, Christ took "the law" to the grave with Him, which I do not believe. My point for those wanting the law gone and buried, if that is what the Father and Christ wanted, just simply remove it, why die just to end the Law? The Law is eternal

C. The moment Christ became 30 years of age in 27 AD, the age a priest can work in the Temple, He then had the opportunity to remove the Law from the Covenant which means there would be no reason for Christ to die or for us to repent of our sins. Just because priests begin to work in the temple does not mean that they can re-write the Law. The priests service in no way involved ALTERING the Law so that is not a valid comparison.

Point: until Christ turned 30 His was not legally able to work in the Temple and since He is the one who put the Law in the Covenant, He has the right to change the Covenant --- which HE has done with the New Covenant.

The Law is the TRUTH about God's expectations for us. It is a transcription in written form of His unchangeable nature of TRUTH and LOVE. These two (seemingly opposite) characteristics define WHO the Father is as well as what His WILL is for the human race since we were meant to bear His image. We see this in the NT where the Bible says this about Jesus:

14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His GLORY, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of GRACE AND TRUTH (John 1:14)
God cannot alter His own nature. He is and will always be exactly WHO HE IS.

I totally agree

B. Without the 10 Commandments codifying what constitutes – Sin, SIN can not exist. Ever wonder why Two tables of stone? The Torah demands two witnesses before the death sentence can be carried out.
That MIGHT be why God divided the commandments into two sets. However, since He never explicitly SAID why He did it, so this is just that is just speculation.

Exodus 31
18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of "testimony", tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

the two tables of stone are the "testimony" of two witnesses

C. To say sin WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED unless they had been written down goes too far. Obviously, people who were were ignorant of the Mosaic Law still had some level of inward moral consciousness. God did not have to say to Cain "you shall not murder" for Cain to know it was wrong. Long before the tablets were written men knew that certain things were wrong.

Unless the Law was written How would any know what sin is. Paul made that exact statement. Yes the Torah is eternal, always existed. It reveals to man the divine nature and mind of God. Abraham was very aware of the Torah in his day.


D. In my estimation, the commands of Jesus were deeper and more demanding that the Mosaic Law and it is that we are told we must obey.
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What Christ taught IS TORAH, yes it is now deeper, it is now spiritual not just physical
 
memberofthebride said:
What was nailed to the cross?
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The Crucifixion as defined by Isaiah was a "SIN OFFERING" for the complete cleansing of those who had FAITH (not "Belief" - mental assent) in its efficacy. In the OLD Testament it was a look forward to what WOULD happen, and now it''s a look back on what DID happen. OUR SIN was nailed to the cross.
 
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The Crucifixion as defined by Isaiah was a "SIN OFFERING" for the complete cleansing of those who had FAITH (not "Belief" - mental assent) in its efficacy. In the OLD Testament it was a look forward to what WOULD happen, and now it''s a look back on what DID happen. OUR SIN was nailed to the cross.
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Bob-Carabbio said:
The Crucifixion as defined by Isaiah was a "SIN OFFERING" for the complete cleansing of those who had FAITH (not "Belief" - mental assent) in its efficacy. In the OLD Testament it was a look forward to what WOULD happen, and now it''s a look back on what DID happen. OUR SIN was nailed to the cross.
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The cross is just a piece of wood, nailing anything on a piece of wood does what? and I doubt the piece of wood was placed in the Tomb with Christ. It may have even been reused.

Christ took "upon Himself" our sins, our sins killed the Savior. Christ accepted our sins as His own.
 
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