Eternal life is "quality of life" those who have it go to heaven when they physically die.
"Fruit" can also refers to converts to the faith.
This makes the most sense in context, considering Jesus was speaking to His disciples
Loss of salvation???
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Eternal life is "quality of life" those who have it go to heaven when they physically die.
"Fruit" can also refers to converts to the faith.
This makes the most sense in context, considering Jesus was speaking to His disciples
I have not seen your faith. You believe believers can perish......That is no faith at all.
You're talking about gnosis, not faith. Believers can't perish because they obey God, but "believers" who don't obey God will perish.
Yep, that is why we don't throw out the CLEAR and unambiguous verses for the more "meat" and "hard to understand" verses.
Yes, being generated (conceived) from above happens only once, but being fully born doesn't happen until the resurrection when we receive the adoption as sons/daughters
ETA: Oh sorry, I thought you were talking with me
That's funny stuff right there.
You are doing all you can to get believers thrown into the LoF for all eternity. The most hurtful thing we can do to His body.
Scripture tells us that the moment we were Saved God began a work in us that wouldn't be finished until our resurrection even if death comes first. That means a lot of people that shouldn't be in Heaven will be there because the finished work is what God provides even if we struggle with a multitude of problematic areas.
I know you don't and to some degree understand why.
If it’ll settle you for the time being, yes - I believe in security, but see it far narrower than you do. Again, see #4188 for now
I question the person that tells me they're Saved but tries to never do what they read in the Bible or will ignore whenever God attempts to speak to them.
To me, the eternally secure Saved person is one who might have a trillion bad ways but they're trying to be better and to obey God.
I don't know how someone can truly know God and not become a better version of themselves because they're trying to follow God and obey God.
To me, the eternally secure Saved person is one who might have a trillion bad ways but they're trying to be better and to obey God.
I don't know how someone can truly know God and not become a better version of themselves because they're trying to follow God and obey God.
See my previous comment I made to you that says God will corrupt "believers" who corrupt the temple of God.
God can work with people who acknowledge their own poverty and look to him, but those who trust in their spiritual nature he will spew out of his mouth.
IMO that's really what this whole controversy boils down to: eternal security through the narrow door vs, eternal security through the wide door.
The eternally secured person is secure because their faith is in God not themselves.
I will let scripture answer that since the Bible is the Lord's inspired word.
2 Timothy 2:13 — If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
It seems that the Lord takes very seriously what He does when taking the sins upon Himself those who come to Him in faith. Removing from them the gift of salvation appears to be a matter of not only a denial of Himself, but also be a matter of unfaithfulness to His own Spirit since it would entail the Lord forfeiting His own Spirit.
So, if you would, how many people have you ever known who intentionally walked away from the Lord, and what was their basis for doing so? How do you know they had done so? How did you verify that? If you say it was you, how can you prove the Lord had ever removed your salvation from you? How do you know MM younever had it in the first place?
Lots of questions given that the claim for loss of salvation defies scripture, so therefore to be expected.
MM
There you go again, dodging straightforward questions with evasive claims for my allegedly not understanding what you stated before. Why not answer my questions? What is your game here?
MM
Is not following God or having Faith/Belief in God the same as living for Satan after knowing God?
How vain and deluded do you have to be to think that rebellious Christians could make God forfeit his spirit?