The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

I would guess, Jesus Christ does not love "unconditionally", those that refuse to obey will never be in the Family of God the Father

It isn't that Jesus does not love everyone
He died for all. Wants all to be saved, God doesn't want any to be lost.
But the order of the universe is love.

If God lowered His standards and allows people that refuse to obey the laws of love then we would have problems for eternity.

God knows which people are willing to obey and they will be in harmony with the heavenly order, life.
Those that can't let go of sin will find that heaven does not work for them. Their own selfish heart is what stops them from being with the loving God...

Heaven is a realm of perfect holiness, and sin cannot exist in the presence of a righteous God.
God's character and glory will be unbearable to the people that are hanging onto sin....

Sin is the transgression of the law..

At Christ's second coming, sinners will be unable to bear the sight of His glory, crying "to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb" Revelation 6:16. This clearly shows they cannot stand in God's holy presence.

Jesus Himself taught that at "the end of the world," His angels "shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matthew 13:40-42.

No iniquity or sin has any part in the future with Jesus.

Sin is the transgression of the law....

 

[memberofthebride]

Romans 3:23
New International Version
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 6:14-23
New International Version
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Leviticus 22:31
New International Version
31 “Keep my commands and follow them. I am the Lord.

Matthew 5:17-22
New International Version
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

"grace"??

14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

While I was held "UNDER the law", held under penalty of death for transgressing the law, an unrepentant sinner,

because of the kindness (grace) of God, while I was worthy of death, the Father sent His Son to die for me, a sinner.

The Father sent His Son to die for a worthless piece of garbage --- THAT IS THE GRACE OF GOD!

 

[TMS]

So I don't think that the simple answer that the only part of the Hebrew law we need to keep is the 10 commandments without incorporating what Jesus said.

I think the laws were given because of our sinful flesh... we are quick to forget. And I know that the 10 commandments were valid before mount Ex 20 when God spoke them..

The moral laws are given to help us understand righteousness, and righteous living. Before the flood it would have been a moral law not to lie, and not to kill.

God summed up the laws into 2 simple laws, easy to remember..
Love God and love your neighbour..

Lev 19:18, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Love is the key...

But like I said we are quick to forget so God gave the 10 commandments...

A bit more detail ... on how to love God and our neighbour..

But even then people didn't obey for the right reasons and Jesus explained that what we think is also important..

So you can keep expanding the understanding of God's love and righteousness by studying the Bible and all the stories and example given.

But the question remains .... do we obey the 10 commandments because we love God?

 

[Inquisitor]

To be bound in what you eat in compliance with the Law of Moses is to remain bound to the law. There are lots of things they were not bound by, but in the same there were things they were bound by. I made no claim that Gentiles were "under the law" but they were under provisions of the Law.

Gentiles were forbidden from adherence to both circumcision and to the law.

Acts 15:1
Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised
according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

This provoked a storm of argument among the disciples.

Acts 15:5
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary
to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”

Once again, another group openly declared the Gentiles are under the law.

In other words, Jesus was circumcised and so were the apostles so what do we instruct the
Gentiles to do. This set the stage for the council of Jerusalem.

Obviously, this issue had to be dealt with by the apostles.

Here is how Peter resolved this issue.

Acts 15:8-11
And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why
do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers
nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus,
in the same way as they also are.

The yoke is the law which includes circumcision.

The apostles and all the disciples ( Jew or Gentile ) were saved by the grace of the Lord.

The disciples are under grace and not under the law.

End of debate.

Now how do we make the Gentiles more acceptable to the Jews?

Acts 15:20
But that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication
and from what is strangled and from blood.

 

[Inquisitor]

I think the laws were given because of our sinful flesh... we are quick to forget. And I know that the 10 commandments were valid before mount Ex 20 when God spoke them..

The moral laws are given to help us understand righteousness, and righteous living. Before the flood it would have been a moral law not to lie, and not to kill.

God summed up the laws into 2 simple laws, easy to remember..
Love God and love your neighbour..

Lev 19:18, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Love is the key...

But like I said we are quick to forget so God gave the 10 commandments...

A bit more detail ... on how to love God and our neighbour..

But even then people didn't obey for the right reasons and Jesus explained that what we think is also important..

So you can keep expanding the understanding of God's love and righteousness by studying the Bible and all the stories and example given.

But the question remains .... do we obey the 10 commandments because we love God?

You stated the following in your post.

God summed up the laws into 2 simple laws, easy to remember. Love God and love your neighbor.

Loving God will not get a person into heaven nor will loving your neighbor as you love yourself.

The name of Jesus replaced the generic term 'God'.

James 1:12
Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown
of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

So we are to love our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus also gave a new commandment regarding loving others.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love
one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

The old commandment from the law was to love others as you love yourself.

That was upgraded to loving others as Christ loved us.

A huge upgrade in that Christ's love is divine love and unconditional.

Please tell me if you can see the difference in the two greatest commandments in the law, and the two
new commandments in the New Testament?

 

[TMS]

You stated the following in your post.

God summed up the laws into 2 simple laws, easy to remember. Love God and love your neighbor.

Loving God will not get a person into heaven nor will loving your neighbor as you love yourself.

The name of Jesus replaced the generic term 'God'.

James 1:12
Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown
of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.

So we are to love our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus also gave a new commandment regarding loving others.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love
one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.

The old commandment from the law was to love others as you love yourself.

That was upgraded to loving others as Christ loved us.

A huge upgrade in that Christ's love is divine love and unconditional.

Please tell me if you can see the difference in the two greatest commandments in the law, and the two
new commandments in the New Testament?

I see it all as LOVE.

GOD IS LOVE. The character of God is seen in the life of Jesus.

We need to reflect the Love of God and we can't do it without God in us..

We should be aiming to be like Jesus... which includes all the principles of love.

 

[vassal]

Gentiles were forbidden from adherence to both circumcision and to the law.

Acts 15:1
Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised
according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

This provoked a storm of argument among the disciples.

Acts 15:5
But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary
to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses.”

Once again, another group openly declared the Gentiles are under the law.

In other words, Jesus was circumcised and so were the apostles so what do we instruct the
Gentiles to do. This set the stage for the council of Jerusalem.

Obviously, this issue had to be dealt with by the apostles.

Here is how Peter resolved this issue.

Acts 15:8-11
And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why
do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers
nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus,
in the same way as they also are.

The yoke is the law which includes circumcision.

The apostles and all the disciples ( Jew or Gentile ) were saved by the grace of the Lord.


End of debate.

Now how do we make the Gentiles more acceptable to the Jews?

Acts 15:20
But that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication
and from what is strangled and from blood.

Inquisitor,
The teaching you shared begins with a mistake that must be corrected. It mixes the commandments of God that were placed inside the ark with the laws given to Moses for Israel’s daily life that were not placed inside the ark of the covenant but on it's side. These two are not the same. The commandments written by God’s own hand were eternal. They are the standard of right and wrong for all humanity. Jesus kept these commandments, taught them, and told His disciples to keep and teach them. He never removed them. He never called them a burden. In fact, He said in Matthew 19:17, If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.

The law of Moses, however, contained many extra rules that were given to the nation of Israel only. These included food laws, temple rules, sacrifices, cleanliness laws, and circumcision. These were never given to the whole world. They were shadows pointing to the work of the Messiah. When Jesus came, He fulfilled those shadows. The sacrifices stopped when He became the sacrifice. The temple laws ended when the veil was torn. Ritual cleansing ended when He washed us clean by His blood. Circumcision of the flesh ended because God now asks for circumcision of the heart as written in Deuteronomy 10:16 and repeated by the prophets.

This is why some parts of the law of Moses were no longer necessary. They served their purpose. Jesus fulfilled them. But the commandments of God never changed because God never changes. They were placed inside the ark to show they are permanent. The added laws were placed beside the ark as a witness only for a time.

When Acts 15 speaks about a yoke, it is not speaking about the Ten Commandments. Jesus Himself said in Matthew 11:30, My yoke is easy and My burden is light. Jesus never called obedience a burden. The heavy yoke came from the Pharisees who added hundreds of man-made rules and insisted that everyone follow them. Jesus rebuked them for this in Matthew 23:4 when He said they tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders.

In Acts 15, the people demanding circumcision were not following Jesus. They were following the tradition of the Pharisees. They were trying to force Gentiles to become Jews first. But Jesus never taught this. He taught the gospel to all nations. He healed Gentiles. He praised the faith of Gentiles. He called all humanity to come to Him.

Peter explained what happened clearly. God gave the Holy Spirit to the Gentiles with no difference. This showed that salvation for all humanity now comes by grace through Jesus. God Himself cleansed their hearts. The question was never about the commandments of God. The question was about Moses’ physical laws, especially circumcision.

Peter did not say the commandments are finished. He did not say obedience is gone. He did not say you can live in sin. He said that the physical law that served a temporary purpose should not be placed on Gentiles because God had already accepted them through Jesus. Grace is now open to all people, all nations, all tongues. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 28:19 that the gospel must go to every nation. this is what they explained in acts 15, the Jerusalem council speech.

The man who says the commandments are finished is speaking against God and speaking against Jesus because Jesus said in Matthew 5:19 that anyone who breaks even the least of the commandments and teaches men so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. Jesus does not change His words. Heaven and earth must pass away first.

The apostles in Acts 15 were not removing the commandments. They were stopping the Pharisees from placing the laws of Moses on Gentiles. After the decision, the disciples still taught the commandments everywhere, just as Jesus commanded them.

The truth is all humanity is now under the grace of Jesus. Salvation is open to all. The commandments of God still show right and wrong. They remain the standard. The law of Moses served its purpose and is no longer required for Gentiles. Circumcision was a sign for Israel. It is not required now. The Holy Spirit comes to those who believe and obey Jesus it is why you do not understand scripture it is closed to you, it is written: John 8:47 (NKJV) "He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

This is the simple truth Jesus taught.

 

[GWH]

"The former regulation [Levitical law] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." (Heb. 7:11, 18a & 22b).
“A new commandment I give you: Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 13:34a)
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." (Rom. 13:8b)

 

[pinebeach]

If you want to believe that you have not been made worthy by Jesus,
Well I feel sorry for you..

Just keep making things up. That's on you. This thread is like the magic house of mirrors where you think you see yourself but it is just a reflection. Your understanding is a poor reflection of both scripture and what other people post.

 

[memberofthebride]

"The former regulation [Levitical law] is set aside... and Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." (Heb. 7:11, 18a & 22b).
“A new commandment I give you: Love one another as I have loved you.” (John 13:34a)
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." (Rom. 13:8b)

YES, true
"He who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law/commandments." and Commandments 6 -10 reveal exactly how we are to show, express that love. Like wise 1 - 4 show us how to love God, including #4

there has been a play on words since the beginning 2000 years ago, to avoid obeying or to reduce complying with every word of God.

Which is why the Wrath of God is almost upon us. our cup of lawlessness is running over.

 

[biblestudent78]

then what needs to be incorporated ? Jesus said to enter into life he did say keep the commandments, he enumerated the commandments when the rich ruler asked him what to to to have eternal life. Many laws of the law of Moses cannot be followed today they became obsolete, which laws of Moses shall we keep then, many of these laws were given to the slaves that flee from Egypt and was necessary for their well being, most of them are no longer necessary today, then the New covenant is enforced in FUll at Jesus return, he will put all the Laws that He requires in out hearts and no one will teach anyone about them ever thereafter as everyone part of the Kingdom will know them fully it will be part them. the ten commandments are clearly on the list. what is the rest of the law of Moses you think people should still follow? NO one ever clearly answered this question.

We love simple formulas. We have had 2,000 yrs to come up with our unique take on the dissection of the Law of Moses. We divide those laws into clear categories that fit our concepts of morality and religion. We like the clarity of the 10 commandments, but we deny their implications and applications. The same law that says you must not commit adultery, which we accept, also says that a women caught in adultery must be put to death. Just an example of the lip service we make that make the 10 Commandments into the 10 principles. When the 10 Commandments says "make no graven images" we laugh. Our world is 90% graven images. When the 10 commandments requires to Keep the Sabbath day holy, that is our recreation and party day. The commandment is to have no other god before me, but if we examine our checkbooks we find that there dozens of gods in front of God (where your money is there will be your heart also. A man cannot love God and money etc).

We tend to find ways, interpretations, rationalizations, creeds and dogmas that all have one function, relieve us from responsibility to God. We do not have to obey God. That was the old law. All we need now is what we call "faith." Then we can and do live exactly like we did "pre-salvation." The Old Law demonstrated the gap between how we chose to live and the way God wants us to live. We are thrilled it no longer applies, because we no longer have anything that requires any unique behavior, only a unique way of thinking we call faith. We have further inoculated our spiritual lives with the holy medicine that says even attempting to live in obedience is a form of false religion because it involves "works." The old law taught us obedience was God's chosen path to Him. Our New Law says obedience is the enemy of "true faith." Obedience might come as a result of faith or not. It does not matter because it has nothing to do with our "salvation." We once agreed to a 60 second pulpit prayer and in return we have a guarantee of heaven..... obedience is sooo Old Testament

 

[vassal]

We love simple formulas. We have had 2,000 yrs to come up with our unique take on the dissection of the Law of Moses. We divide those laws into clear categories that fit our concepts of morality and religion. We like the clarity of the 10 commandments, but we deny their implications and applications. The same law that says you must not commit adultery, which we accept, also says that a women caught in adultery must be put to death. Just an example of the lip service we make that make the 10 Commandments into the 10 principles. When the 10 Commandments says "make no graven images" we laugh. Our world is 90% graven images. When the 10 commandments requires to Keep the Sabbath day holy, that is our recreation and party day. The commandment is to have no other god before me, but if we examine our checkbooks we find that there dozens of gods in front of God (where your money is there will be your heart also. A man cannot love God and money etc).

We tend to find ways, interpretations, rationalizations, creeds and dogmas that all have one function, relieve us from responsibility to God. We do not have to obey God. That was the old law. All we need now is what we call "faith." Then we can and do live exactly like we did "pre-salvation." The Old Law demonstrated the gap between how we chose to live and the way God wants us to live. We are thrilled it no longer applies, because we no longer have anything that requires any unique behavior, only a unique way of thinking we call faith. We have further inoculated our spiritual lives with the holy medicine that says even attempting to live in obedience is a form of false religion because it involves "works." The old law taught us obedience was God's chosen path to Him. Our New Law says obedience is the enemy of "true faith." Obedience might come as a result of faith or not. It does not matter because it has nothing to do with our "salvation." We once agreed to a 60 second pulpit prayer and in return we have a guarantee of heaven..... obedience is sooo Old Testament

Disobedience to God's Commandants is what put all humanity in this mess, it started with Eve then Adam.

Jesus never taught that obedience stopped. He said the opposite. Jesus said that loving Him is shown by keeping His commandments. In John 14:15 He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.” This is not a suggestion, and it is not old. It is the heart of the new life He gives. John repeats the same truth in 1 John 2:3 saying, “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.”

Jesus also warned us that hearing His words but not doing them leads to ruin. He explained this in the picture of the wise and foolish builders in Matthew 7. The wise man hears His words and does them. The foolish man hears the same words but does not do them, and his fall is great.

Jesus also explained that obedience is still the way to life. In Matthew 19:16–17 He said, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” When people try to separate faith and obedience, Jesus does not agree. He ties life and obedience together.

He also said that many will call Him “Lord” and think they belong to Him because they have faith, but they will be rejected because they refuse to do the Father’s will. In Matthew 7:21 He says, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father.”

Obedience is not something small. Jesus says it is the difference between true and false disciples. Obedience does not save us without Him, but without obedience we show that we do not belong to Him. In John 8:51 He said, “If anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.”

The person you speak with says obedience is “so Old Testament,” but Jesus shows that obedience is the center of the new covenant. The early disciples agreed. They taught that we are lying to ourselves if we say we know God but do not keep His commandments. Jesus says His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. Following is obedience.

So the idea that faith allows us to ignore God’s commandments is completely against what Jesus Himself taught. Faith without obedience is not the faith Jesus gave. Real faith listens to Him, trusts Him, and walks in His words.

 

[pinebeach]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant.

This covenant is not with believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. This was a covenant between the Israelites released from slavery in Egypt and God. It is those people that are being addressed here and not those who have accepted Christ as their Redeemer.

The Bible actually calls the covenant with the Israelites the first covenant. The meaning is clear; there is a covenant that must follow this one if it is the first covenant. There is:

11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining[b] eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,
so that we may serve the living God!

15 For this reason
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Christians do not have a commandment covenant with God. We have a blood covenant through God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

The claims made by the op are lies, he has stated he is not a Christian, so he does not recognize the fact we have a covenant with God through the blood of His Son. The op has told me I should leave the thread, he has said I am boring and a few other attempts at dismissing the truth of scripture I am bringing to this bizarre thread made by someone who by his own admission, does not recognize the covenant believers have.

Yes, he has posted about Jesus and at times sounds like a believer, but don't be fooled. The title of this op says all there is to know about him. He is teaching that the covenant is the commandments. Is that what the Bible itself tells us? Absolutely not.

 

[pinebeach]

When the holy Spirit is living in you you perfectly obey the law and are not guilty of transgressing it because the Holy Spirit is perfectly obedient to it.

That's why we are not under the condemnation of the law when the Spirit is in us.

The Holy Spirit does indwell believers, but He did not die for you. We are not guilty of trangressing the law or comitting sin because we are considered righteous by God because of His Son who died for us. You can fool yourself all you want, but the harm here is caused to people who are not well versed in scripture, though they may be a believer. Worse, if a new believer reads this babble, it could cause confusion and misunderstanding of scripture.

You do not perfectly obey the law because the Holy Spirit is inside of you. You are a lawbreaker as is every other single person on this planet. Jesus has fullfilled the law and justified us in God's sight. We do not have a commandment covenant; we have a blood covenant. All the animals sacrificed by the Israelites were blood sacrifices but they did not really remove sin. It was a temporary atonement, awaiting the day when the actual atonement through Jesus would occur.

15 For this reason
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Christians do not have a commandment covenant with God. We have a blood covenant through God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[vassal]

This covenant is not with believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. This was a covenant between the Israelites released from slavery in Egypt and God. It is those people that are being addressed here and not those who have accepted Christ as their Redeemer.

The Bible actually calls the covenant with the Israelites the first covenant. The meaning is clear; there is a covenant that must follow this one if it is the first covenant. There is:

11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining[b] eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,
so that we may serve the living God!

15 For this reason
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Christians do not have a commandment covenant with God. We have a blood covenant through God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

The claims made by the op are lies, he has stated he is not a Christian, so he does not recognize the fact we have a covenant with God through the blood of His Son. The op has told me I should leave the thread, he has said I am boring and a few other attempts at dismissing the truth of scripture I am bringing to this bizarre thread made by someone who by his own admission, does not recognize the covenant believers have.

Yes, he has posted about Jesus and at times sounds like a believer, but don't be fooled. The title of this op says all there is to know about him. He is teaching that the covenant is the commandments. Is that what the Bible itself tells us? Absolutely not.

You contradict the words of God, not me. God Himself said the Ten Commandments are the covenant. This is written plainly in the Old Testament, and no one can erase His voice.

Exodus 34:28 says that the Ten Commandments are the words of the covenant. Deuteronomy 4:13 says the same thing again so no one can argue. God spoke them with His own mouth, before the whole nation, not through any man.

Jesus taught these same commandments. He told the rich young ruler in Matthew 19:17 to 19 to keep the commandments, and He began naming the Ten Commandments. He lifted them higher in Matthew 5, showing that anger, lust, lies, and hate break them in the heart. He said in Matthew 5:19 that whoever breaks even the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom.

You say believers do not have a commandment covenant. Jesus says otherwise. Jesus said in John 14:15 that if we love Him we keep His commandments. He repeats it again in John 14:21 and again in John 15:10. He made it clear that obedience is part of real faith, and that His words are life.

Jeremiah also said that the same laws will be written in the hearts of God’s people. Jeremiah 31:33 says God will write His law inside His people, not remove it. This promise is for the believers, the ones who belong to Him. God never said He would give a lawless heart, but a clean and obedient one.

You say that I am not a Christian because I honor Jesus’ own teachings. But Jesus said in John 8:47 that whoever is of God hears God’s words. He said in John 8:51 that the one who keeps His word will never see death. He also said in Matthew 7:21 that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the kingdom.

Your words reject the voice of Jesus and the prophets. You lift up another message that removes obedience, even though Jesus warned that many will come with smooth words but do not do what He says.

The truth is simple. God said the commandments are the covenant. Jesus kept them, taught them, and raised them higher. The prophets said these laws will be written in the hearts of God’s people. Those who belong to Christ follow His voice and His words.

You are not speaking with that voice.

 

[pinebeach]

Amen
Praise God.... if only others would see this point.

Please tell us who are those who do not understand that unrepentant sin leads to death? Who are these people? If a person has accepted Jesus as their Savior, the one who atoned for all the sins of mankind, then they are law breakers or covenant breakers or commandment breakers.

Could it be you do not understand that Jesus has already paid the full price of sin and God is the One who sent Him to earth to accomplish this/

 

[pinebeach]

You contradict the words of God, not me. God Himself said the Ten Commandments are the covenant. This is written plainly in the Old Testament, and no one can erase His voice.

Jesus has atoned for our sins. I don't know who you are, but I do know you have said you are not a Christian so are you here to try and draw people to your beliefs whatever they are? You are right when you say no one can erase Gods' voice but He does not say what you are saying.

The Bible actually calls the covenant with the Israelites the first covenant. The meaning is clear; there is a covenant that must follow this one if it is the first covenant. There is:

11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining[b] eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,
so that we may serve the living God!

15 For this reason
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

Christians do not have a commandment covenant with God. We have a blood covenant through God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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[pinebeach]

Jesus taught these same commandments. He told the rich young ruler in Matthew 19:17 to 19 to keep the commandments, and He began naming the Ten Commandments. He lifted them higher in Matthew 5, showing that anger, lust, lies, and hate break them in the heart. He said in Matthew 5:19 that whoever breaks even the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom.

You say believers do not have a commandment covenant. Jesus says otherwise. Jesus said in John 14:15 that if we love Him we keep His commandments. He repeats it again in John 14:21 and again in John 15:10. He made it clear that obedience is part of real faith, and that His words are life.

Jesus Himself says before His crucifixion that His blood is the covenant. Is Jesus mixed up somehow? Has He changed His mind or were his words during His ministry prior to His death speaking of the first covenant? Jesus Himself tells His disciples that HIS BLOOD is the covenant. No where did Jesus ever say the commandments are the covenant.

26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, spoke a blessing and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is My body.”

27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

30And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

His blood was spilled for the forgiveness of sins and was the end of the animal sacrifice system and the fullfillment of the law....ALL of it. If anyone continues to say we must obey this or that, they are misrepresenting the gospel.

 

[pinebeach]

There is something else. If anyone says that the commandments are obeyed now, they transgress scripture. We can no more fullfill the law then an unbeliever.

Jesus is the end of the law. We do not believe we can now sin. If someone says that, they are lying because it has been said multiple of multiple times in this thread and others, that no one believes that. As a believer, if we have actually become a believer because some just do lip service, we now desire to please God and as such, we DO NOT WISH TO COMMIT SIN.

Stop your false posts in which you state we are sinning. TMS even said that if we do observe the 'Sabbath', then we are sinning and breaking the law.

Here is what the actual Bible has to say about that:


6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow. Ephesians 2


Are you judging those who do not go to a church or fellowship on Saturday? Then you had better stop because Paul says those people delight in FALSE humility.

We are in Christ and no amount of false judgement or accusation can change that. No amount of cursing someone can have effect. There is but one truth here and it is not believing the commandments are now the covenant.

The covenant, in the very words of Jesus Himself as I have posted a couple of times now, is through His blood. Deny this, and you are denying Jesus.

 

[pinebeach]

Disobedience to God's Commandants is what put all humanity in this mess, it started with Eve then Adam.

The commandments had not yet been given. Sin is sin. Apparently God did not think to render Adam and Eve guiltless though. He said they would surely die for disobedience to His one simple 'rule' and they did. Both spiritually and later on, physically.

How much worse will it be for those who declare the commandments to be the covenant when Jesus Himself declares just before His crucifixion, that His blood is the covenant.

27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.” Matthew 26

You seem to like to quote Jesus when He is speaking about the law given before His crucifixion, but you never and have never, acknowledged what he says to His disciples just before His death. Why is that?