The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Inquisitor]

No Inquisitor, the ten commandments are eternal and never replaced. they point to sin, if we do not have them how can we not sin against God if we do not Know what sin is? it is their use,

the 2 great commandments that are a summary of the ten commandments, they explain they are all from God who Loves us and we should do the same because He loved us first
"We love Him because He first loved us."
1 John 4:19
This shows that our love for God begins with His love toward us.

Why the Commandments? are we not God's children? made in God's Image are we not to be Holy as he is Holy? WIll you reject this Grace and this Love God has for us?

Hello vassal.

Please read the following.

Matthew 5:17-19
Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall
pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these
commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What does the clause "until all is accomplished" mean?

What does the sentence "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches
others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven" mean exactly?

 

[memberofthebride]

Are you aware that vassal says he is not a Christian? Are you really on the same page? Part of what he says is true, but then he inserts things that are anti-biblical.

I'm new, don't know the players, I read him to say the 10 Commandments are to be obeyed, to that I agree.

 

[TMS]

No you are not worthy. Haven't you come across this scripture:

6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5

Yes, God loves us, BUT we are not worthy. Worthy means this:

adjective
If a person or thing is worthy of something, they deserve it because they have the qualities or abilities required.

Christ died for the ungodly. He did not die for those worthy of His death. There is no one, was never anyone and will never be anyone who is righteous without Christ.



That is called sinless perfectionism and it is anti-biblical. Does God the Father see us as sinless? YES HE DOES! But not by our conduct. He sees us as perfect and sinless IN His Son.

Sorry your still not getting it... I said I'm worthy because Jesus died for me...
I am not worthy to recieve the gift of life but once it is applied I need to believe that His blood has cleansed me of all unrighteousness..

The love of God is wonderful and I'm not going to walk around telling myself im unworthy continually, that is grounds for depression.

I'm going to praise God and thank God that He has made me worthy.

Because I love my Lord, I will aim to obey my Lord.

 

[TMS]

Another false assumption. The commandments have been fullfilled. NO ONE HAS SAID THEY ARE REPLACED! Why do you insist on making false statements?

Thou shalt not bear false witness ring a bell?

Okay ... should we obey all 10 of the commandments today because we love Jesus ??

Not to earn salvation but because we love to obey our Lord.

 

[TMS]

I noticed someone posted the commandment below.

Exodus 20:13
You shall not murder

That is the letter of the law.

Here is what Jesus had to say about Exodus 20:13.

Matthew 5:21
You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and whoever commits murder
shall be liable to the court. But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty
before the court; and whoever says to his brother. You good-for-nothing, shall be guilty before
the supreme court; and whoever says, you fool, shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Can you explain the difference between the letter of the law and what Jesus said?

Yes one (stone law) can be an outward obedience and can be seen by others .. the law Jesus is talking about is the same law that is written on stone but Jesus points out that it is seen by God in the heart, and is keep by faith.

If you have evil thoughts about your neighbour you may think you haven't done anything wrong, and your not guilty because no one knows or sees your thoughts. But Jesus points out that it is a moral law that you are guilty of seen or not seen by others.

The pharisees were seen as law keepers but Jesus seen their true heart..

The law needs to be written on the heart and applied to our thinking not just our outward actions..

This is the way it always should have been from the start. It is a moral law that God has always wanted us to have in the heart. Jesus highlighted this point.

 

[TMS]

What does the clause "until all is accomplished" mean?

What does the sentence "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches
others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven" mean exactly?

Exactly what it states...

Was all accomplished at the cross? No
The life of the innocent lamb was given.

If you follow the yearly ceremonies given to Israel, they are all a type of what God is doing to save us.

If you think all was accomplished at the cross, I disagree.

And the second sentance means exactly what it states...

Has Jesus finished Judgment?
How does Jesus know who He should apply His blood to, or not to..

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[Inquisitor]

Yes one (stone law) can be an outward obedience and can be seen by others .. the law Jesus is talking about is the same law that is written on stone but Jesus points out that it is seen by God in the heart, and is keep by faith.

If you have evil thoughts about your neighbour you may think you haven't done anything wrong, and your not guilty because no one knows or sees your thoughts. But Jesus points out that it is a moral law that you are guilty of seen or not seen by others.

The pharisees were seen as law keepers but Jesus seen their true heart..

The law needs to be written on the heart and applied to our thinking not just our outward actions..

This is the way it always should have been from the start. It is a moral law that God has always wanted us to have in the heart. Jesus highlighted this point.

Tricky law that one and I wonder how many people read that one literally.

I read it differently to you.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control;
against such things there is no law.

How could a gentle, peaceful, kind person, ever harbor ill intent towards someone else.

You don't need the law when you have the Holy Spirit and the fruit therein.

 

[memberofthebride]

Tricky law that one and I wonder how many people read that one literally.

I read it differently to you.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control;
against such things there is no law.

How could a gentle, peaceful, kind person, ever harbor ill intent towards someone else.

You don't need the law when you have the Holy Spirit and the fruit therein.

Inquisitor

Question how does a person receive God's Holy Spirit?

Here what I find.

Hebrews 6

1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

The laying on of hands is one of the major doctrines of Christ

2 Timothy 1

6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

Act 19

1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7And all the men were about twelve.

The Holy Spirit is put in us by the laying on of hands, but the person doing the laying on must have the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit in us gives us the power of God to obey and to do His Commandments, The 10 Commandments and the Torah are righteousness, Without the Torah and the Spirit of the Father, we could not know righteousness, God's righteousness

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There is no Bible verse to say the sabbath was done away with.. removed, stopped.

In Christ's day He said..... (knowing the the beginning from the end)....

Mat 24:20-25
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened... 25 Behold, I have told you before.... Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The context is clearly talking about the second comming..

Why did Jesus say PRAY THAT YOUR FLIGHT BE NOT ON SABBATH if Jesus knew that the sabbath would be removed or made void?

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

And why did Jesus make these points if He knew it was about to end.

The old testament is full of verses that reveals that the 4th commandment was very important to God.. Nowhere in the new Testament does God say anything different.

History reveals why the change (not keeping the sabbath but sunday instead) happened and it was not from God.

“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.

Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

honoring a day a week by doing no labor is part of the Old Testament covenant made with isreal like fleshly circumcision, or the many feast days they had to observe . It was essential under that covenant being part of the covenant law ( the Ten Commandments )

We have a new covenant that has absolutely nothing to do with the Ten Commandments and the old covenant word written on stones to administer condemnation . We have Jesus and the gospel in order to enter the sabbath rest of God

“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s our time of rest has nothing to do with whether one considered Sunday off limits for lifting thier hands or stirring a fire .

i always wonder why some insist on sabbath keeping but then you show them what that entails and then all the sudden they get to keep it thier own way that they decide rather than the way God commanded israel in the old covenant . I’ve never actually met someone who keeps the sabbath according to the old covenant but many try toni pose it as n a New Testament that’s not according to what God said from Sinai to israel but instead is according to what Jesus said to believers in the gospel

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Tricky law that one and I wonder how many people read that one literally.

I read it differently to you.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control;
against such things there is no law.

How could a gentle, peaceful, kind person, ever harbor ill intent towards someone else.

You don't need the law when you have the Holy Spirit and the fruit therein.

Notice it says “ against such “ there’s no law ?

It’s because the law is a result of sin and comes against the sinful actions

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But through the spirit we can change and bear fruit like oeace mercy love which are things Jesus teaches us in the gospel

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you aren’t killing or wanting to kill the law “ thou shalt not kill “ has no place with you it’s not for you, it’s for killers . There’s no law against being peaceful with others doing no harm to them , helping those people in need , turning the other cheek or repaying an insult with a blessing like Jesus taught us. There’s no law in existance against those things Jesus taught believers to live by and walk in

The law is for the ungodly and rebellious the thieves who steal and liars who lie the murderers who kill . It’s not for Gods children to live by laws against sin because they aren’t supposed to remain as sinners living against Gods Will they are meant to come to Jesus and hear Gods Will and live after him more and more

aslong as there are murderers they will have a law commanding that they the murderers don’t kill . As long as there is someone conmiting adultery and hiding it there will be lee saying “ don’t commit adultery and don’t lie and deceive “

to simplify there is no law against doing good and intending good and speaking good . The law is against those who live willfully contrary to gods spirit

 

[memberofthebride]

The Bible does present the Ten Commandments as the covenant itself. In Exodus 34:28, it is written:

"So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."

"So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone (Deuteronomy 4:13, NKJV)

This clearly states that the Ten Commandments are the covenant. When we look at Jeremiah 31:31-33, we see God speaking of a new covenant, but notice what He says:

"Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

This passage does not say the law itself would change. Instead, it tells us that the ten commandments that are the covenant instead of being written on stone tablets, would be written in our hearts and minds. That means the law remains the same, but its place changes, from external tablets to internal conviction. This is why we see in the Gospels of John, Matthew, Luke and Mark, Jesus teaching the commandments and magnifying them.

Now, let's connect this with the Ark of the Covenant. In Deuteronomy 10:1-5, God commanded Moses to place the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark:


"At that time the Lord said to me, ‘Hew for yourself two tablets of stone like the first, and come up to Me on the mountain, and make yourself an ark of wood... Then I turned and came down from the mountain, and put the tablets in the ark which I had made; and there they are, just as the Lord commanded me.’"

This shows the special place of the Ten Commandments, inside the Ark, symbolizing their central role in the covenant. But what about the rest of the law? In Deuteronomy 31:24-26, Moses wrote the book of the law and placed it beside the Ark:


"So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: ‘Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you.’”

This distinction is important. The Ten Commandments being described clearly as the Covenant were placed inside the Ark of the Covenant, showing their eternal, unchanging nature as the foundation of the covenant. The rest of the law was placed beside the Ark, acting as a witness.

Now, when Jeremiah speaks of the law being written in our hearts, he is speaking of the same law, the Ten Commandments. The "new" part of the covenant is not that the law changes but that God Himself ensures it is within us, guiding us from within rather than being an external set of rules. This aligns perfectly with how Jesus upheld and fulfilled the law, always pointing back to love for God and neighbor as the foundation of obedience (Matthew 22:36-40).

So, the New Covenant is not about replacing the Ten Commandments but about making them part of who we are.

Blessings

My comments:

The 10 Commandments are not the covenant, they are a part of it.

Leviticus 26

1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;

Leviticus 26: 1 - 39 is the Old Covenant, the first 3 verses are what we must "do" to receive the physical Promises.
In contact language, what we must do, the first three verses, are our "consideration". What we must Pay, or give or DO.

The only difference from the Old and the New are the promises, nothing else changed.

The Old never offered eternal life or God's Spirit. the Old is physical and the New is Spiritual

Under the New to receive the gift of eternal life we must repent of sin which is transgressing the Torah.

Under Torah, there are many things that can not be done as God's Temple is no longer here. and the sacrificial law that was added, was fulfilled by Christ, it was the "school master" that led us to the Sacrifice of Christ.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

My comments:

The 10 Commandments are not the covenant, they are a part of it.

Leviticus 26

1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;

Leviticus 26: 1 - 39 is the Old Covenant, the first 3 verses are what we must "do" to receive the physical Promises.
In contact language, what we must do, the first three verses, are our "consideration". What we must Pay, or give or DO.

The only difference from the Old and the New are the promises, nothing else changed.

The Old never offered eternal life or God's Spirit. the Old is physical and the New is Spiritual

Under the New to receive the gift of eternal life we must repent of sin which is transgressing the Torah.

Under Torah, there are many things that can not be done as God's Temple is no longer here. and the sacrificial law that was added, was fulfilled by Christ, it was the "school master" that led us to the Sacrifice of Christ.

“The only difference from the Old and the New are the promises, nothing else changed.”
“And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient.

And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭24:7-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: and all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God. But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭28:1-2, 15, 20-24‬ ‭




“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-12, 19, 23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The old covenant has its own ordination and mediation it’s a completely different covenant made with a unique and specific people. By all different words mediated through moses by the ordination of angels . Nothing Moses said to isreal applies to the new covenant that word and blood is seperate from Jesus word and blood of the new different word blood mediator different people …..all things new not just one or two

“But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

…but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:7, 14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The law “isn’t part of the new covenant the word of Christ is the new covenant. The word of the king. Moses and Jesus are contrary in thier judgements Moses was giving the law to hard hearted rebellious unspiritual people telling them and demanding they be holy .

Jesus came preaching to sinners who needed redemption and mercy and truth that would save them . That was the design always the law first to hold guilty the world then salvation by the gospel

We have to become dead to the law and belong to Christ and his judgements they are contrary to the old ones because he’s creating new people not guiding corrupt people but creating new people

 

[pinebeach]

I'm new, don't know the players, I read him to say the 10 Commandments are to be obeyed, to that I agree.

If you understand that as becoming sinless, that is not in scripture. If you agree we want to do what is right in God's eyes, then I agree.

 

[Inquisitor]

Inquisitor

Question how does a person receive God's Holy Spirit?

Here what I find.

Hebrews 6

1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

The laying on of hands is one of the major doctrines of Christ

2 Timothy 1

6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

Act 19

1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost spirit came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7And all the men were about twelve.

The Holy Spirit is put in us by the laying on of hands, but the person doing the laying on must have the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit in us gives us the power of God to obey and to do His Commandments, The 10 Commandments and the Torah are righteousness, Without the Torah and the Spirit of the Father, we could not know righteousness, God's righteousness

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills,
but the Spirit gives life.

We are servants of a new covenant now and not circumcised members of a former covenant.

Are you a servant of the new covenant?

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control;
against such things there is no law.

Your under the grace of Jesus Christ and not under the letter of the law.

Romans 5:5
And hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through
the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

What was the law written on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33)?

 

[pinebeach]

Sorry your still not getting it... I said I'm worthy because Jesus died for me...
I am not worthy to recieve the gift of life but once it is applied I need to believe that His blood has cleansed me of all unrighteousness..

The love of God is wonderful and I'm not going to walk around telling myself im unworthy continually, that is grounds for depression.

I'm going to praise God and thank God that He has made me worthy.

Because I love my Lord, I will aim to obey my Lord.

That is not what you said. Let me remind you what you did actually say:

Sorry I disagree..
I am worthy of Salvation
I am worthy because Jesus gave His blood to make me worthy.. by His death and His righteousness I am worthy.

What is it you think you are worthy of actually? Do you not understand this scripture?

6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5

Yes, God loves us, BUT we are not worthy. Worthy means this:

adjective
If a person or thing is worthy of something, they deserve it because they have the qualities or abilities required.

Christ died for the ungodly. He did not die for those worthy of His death. There is no one, was never anyone and will never be anyone who is righteous without Christ.

Our worth is only in Christ. We are worthy to God because of His Son. That is praise and or worship to God because of all He has done for us through . Oh I do 'get it' all right. What I am getting from you is your constant flipping what you say and changing it just enough to make it seem I am wrong. It is not who is wrong and who is right. What it actually is, is who receives salvation as the Bible describes it. Not our effort, but as God's gift in spite of our UNWORTHINESS that He gives to all who trust in Christ.

 

[Inquisitor]

My comments:

The 10 Commandments are not the covenant, they are a part of it.

Leviticus 26

1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;

Leviticus 26: 1 - 39 is the Old Covenant, the first 3 verses are what we must "do" to receive the physical Promises.
In contact language, what we must do, the first three verses, are our "consideration". What we must Pay, or give or DO.

The only difference from the Old and the New are the promises, nothing else changed.

The Old never offered eternal life or God's Spirit. the Old is physical and the New is Spiritual

Under the New to receive the gift of eternal life we must repent of sin which is transgressing the Torah.

Under Torah, there are many things that can not be done as God's Temple is no longer here. and the sacrificial law that was added, was fulfilled by Christ, it was the "school master" that led us to the Sacrifice of Christ.

The Gentiles were never in covenant with God to obey the Torah.

Israel only was in covenant with God to obey the prophets and the law.

Did Jesus fulfill the prophets?

Did Jesus fulfill the law?

Well yes, of course Jesus fulfilled all things.

 

[pinebeach]

Okay ... should we obey all 10 of the commandments today because we love Jesus ??

Not to earn salvation but because we love to obey our Lord.

Changing or trying to change what you said once again. I'm not blind nor do I have a problem with comprehension. The post you are pretending to respond to (by changing why I responded) is the following:

If the law was replaced why are the 10 commandments being quoted by Paul?

Once again, you are misleading deliberately falsifying what myself and others here have said. NO ONE HAS SAID THE COMMANDMENTS HAVE BEEN REPLACED! That is something you and vassal have cooked up in order to fool other people. But no one has said that. So, stop the effort to try and pin that on me or anyone else.

I am not sure, at this point, that you are actually and truly solid in what you believe concerning salvation. Nothing you do adds to salvation. I don't see where you have actually admitted you believe that. You mentionned sanctifiation a while back but I would not go down that trail with you because that is something that is ongoing after the moment of salvation. In your case, you seem to think that obeying the commandments equals sanctificaion. It doesn't.

But again, I absolutely do 'get it'. I get what you do and I get what vassal does.

 

[pinebeach]

The Holy Spirit is put in us by the laying on of hands, but the person doing the laying on must have the Holy Spirit.

The Spirit in us gives us the power of God to obey and to do His Commandments, The 10 Commandments and the Torah are righteousness, Without the Torah and the Spirit of the Father, we could not know righteousness, God's righteousness

No.

God gives us His Holy Spirit when we accept Christ.
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Eph. 1:13

Do you believe that if no one is there to put hands on a person that becomes a believer in some remote area, that they do not receive the Holy Spirit? The verse you quote is actually referring to the 2nd infilling and the bestowing of spiritual gifts. We most assuredly receive the Holy Spirit when we are a true believer in Christ at salvation

The laying on of hands is one of the major doctrines of Christ

Uh...uh uh. It is biblical, but not a major doctrine. Maybe do a search on what are the actual MAJOR doctrines.

 

[pinebeach]

The Spirit in us gives us the power of God to obey and to do His Commandments, The 10 Commandments and the Torah are righteousness, Without the Torah and the Spirit of the Father, we could not know righteousness, God's righteousness

The actual purpose God has in mind regarding being filled with His Holy Spirit, is to help us conform to the image of His Son. That would not be trying to live in compliance with the law.

For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Rom. 8:29

 

[pinebeach]

Who cleanses us from sin (continually cleanses)? Jesus. How? By His sinless blood. You are a liar if you say you have no sin and if you say you keep the commandments, then you make God a liar. Again, the covenant is a blood covenant. The multiple of multiple sacrifices we read of in the OT, were all about the shedding of blood. For some reason, certain people in this forum have a very bad understanding of the OT and attempt to connect it to the NT and salvation. This is an insult to God. I'll write more later but the truth is, THAT NO ONE HAS SAID THE COMMANDMENTS ARE DONE AWAY WITH. If someone says that, they are lying, pure and simple.

I said yesterday I would write more about the covenant of blood that constitutes the New Covenant (through the blood of Christ) but this is the mainstay of salvation and as such, deserves its own thread so I'm going to create a new thread rather than have it get lost in this impossible miasma of misapplication and misunderstanding of the 10 commandments. The attempts to ignore what the actual covenant is (through Christ) have become an effectual cover up for some here so I'll bring it out of the darkness and into the light.