Things that jeopardize salvation

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Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21​
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Ephesians 5
Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the Wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.

how so many of us proclaim vain words when we proclaim that such that display such works of the flesh are safe in their position with G-D

hard for me to circumvent scriptures as these.
 
aChristian2 said:
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21​
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Powerful Scripture

also written
Ephesians 5
Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the Wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.

how so many of us proclaim vain words when we proclaim that such that display such works of the flesh are safe in their position with G-D

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Agreed.

Then attaching Rom5:9 re: being saved from wrath - combined, it seems Paul thinks to be saved from wrath we're not to be sons of disobedience - disobedient sons.
 
We all know what murders and drunkenness are. Revellings, according to Thayer's lexicon, is feasts and drinking-parties that are protracted till late at night and indulge in revelry

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath,strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21​
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Revellings
G2970 κῶμος komos (kō'-mos) n.
a carousal (as if letting loose).
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I don't know what you consider salvation to be, but I don't consider not being a part of the kingdom of God to be salvation. Paul clearly said those who practice such things will not inherit God's kingdom.
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But you are assuming those who are doing the practicing are saved. There is nothing in the passage to indicate Paul is speaking specifically of believers. It is a general statement that such lifestyles are antithetical to God's Kingdom. It is your own belief we can lose salvation that pushes the passage into that category.

As for salvation and what it is? First, there is salvation from sin. It is being saved from spiritual death (the wages of sin is death) hence, once made alive no sin can cause you to die again because Christ has nailed all sin to the Cross. This is the power of the Cross and cannot be lost. Then there is salvation from evil which consists of wrong thinking, either because the word has been rejected or because one is ignorant of the word. This is where salvation can be lost as not all will grow to the full stature of Christ. Anything that is believed that is not of the truth is not of the Faith and has no benefit to the one believing error.

As far as I am concerned there is far more to salvation than simply "getting into Heaven".
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
"Spirituality" will not always lead to morality because the soul is easily deceived into wandering away from the truth and believing it has something it really doesn't have.
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And the moment a believer does that they are no longer spiritual but carnal. The only way to be spiritual is to be led of the Spirit and it most certainly always leads to a moral life for the fruit of the Spirit is love.
 
sawdust said:
And the moment a believer does that they are no longer spiritual but carnal. The only way to be spiritual is to be led of the Spirit and it most certainly always leads to a moral life for the fruit of the Spirit is love.
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Love is an ambiguous term because it can mean several things. Erotic love doesn't lead to a righteous life. Emotional love doesn't either. Nor does brotherly love. The only way we can know if we are in God's agape love is if we are doing his commandments, because that is who Christ is
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I'm going to start with this verse and spend some time with it because the translations of some words don't given the intended meaning IMO.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21​
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Either one, anyone will sincerely believe God in risen Son for them or not. Belief, continued beleif even if are about to die physically, and these that remain willing, to even be in a wheelchair or get amputated and disabled, Those that will not deny God. as is seen in the book of Job, and deeper in willing Jesus who went to death in trust to Father to raise him from the dead, Even with feelings getting in the way, as he said Father, why has thou forsaken me. Waiting on God that Jesus did all the way to willing death, now is risen for us to focus to believe God knows best for us all. To, see new after we go through troubles here on earth too. Will you, God seeks the willing ones, how about us all to decide and be set for the new as God for me at least knows best,. I see it is best to remain in trust to God not self or anyone else as stated in Phil 3
 
I thank ChristRoseFromTheDead for this post to clearly show myself as well as all who read this why we need a savior.
I have many regrets in this lifetime that I struggle with. But those regrets weren't always regrets un till I've come more and more closer to Jesus. My life has changed drastically my thoughts are in check daily.
One thing I've learned is that Jesus has begun a work in me and will complete it. He can make beauty from ashes.
Never deny his faithfulness towards us no matter how painful the process his thoughts towards us are precious and to save from the uttermost.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Where is it written that all sin was nailed to the cross? Christ was nailed to the cross, but he was not sin; he was a sin offering
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And as such the debt we owed was cancelled being nailed to the Cross. Our sins are no longer held against us.

Col.2:14
He destroyed the record of the debt we owed, with its requirements that worked against us. He canceled it by nailing it to the cross.
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Love is an ambiguous term because it can mean several things. Erotic love doesn't lead to a righteous life. Emotional love doesn't either. Nor does brotherly love. The only way we can know if we are in God's agape love is if we are doing his commandments, because that is who Christ is
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There is nothing ambiguous about the love that is the fruit of the Spirit. The love I mentioned is quite specific so please don't waste time with deflecting the issue.

And which commandments are you keeping? The one Jesus gave us was to love one another as He loved us. The only way to do that is by means of grace in the power of the Spirit working through faith and our faith is only as good as the truth that abides within. Therefore, we must know the word to love as He loved, doing certain tasks will not cut it. "Monkey see, monkey do" is not how the spiritual life works. While such an approach may work in the start of one's new life, much like a child will emulate their parents, there comes a time we must grow up and think for ourselves with the word.
 
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sawdust said:
And which commandments are you keeping?
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Just off the top of my head:

1) In everything treat others like I want to be treated, and don't treat them like I don't want to be treated.
2) Don't show partiality in anything; be fair as I would want others to be fair to me.
3) When feasible, give to the one asking.
4) In every moment seek the well being of others.
5) Treat others better than myself.
6) Strive to only speak the truth and no falsehood
7) Be merciful and forgiving
8) Don't judge people unrighteously
9) Keep a pure mind
10) Avoid putting stumbling blocks in front of people, and try to remove them if I see one in their way

Practice this kind of practical love and you will see Jesus growing inside of you because that is who he is.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Where is it written that all sin was nailed to the cross? Christ was nailed to the cross, but he was not sin; he was a sin offering

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He became sin
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Where is it written that all sin was nailed to the cross? Christ was nailed to the cross, but he was not sin; he was a sin offering

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2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
I'm going to start with this verse and spend some time with it because the translations of some words don't given the intended meaning IMO.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21​
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How do you get God out of you?
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Just off the top of my head:

1) In everything treat others like I want to be treated, and don't treat them like I don't want to be treated.
2) Don't show partiality in anything; be fair as I would want others to be fair to me.
3) When feasible, give to the one asking.
4) In every moment seek the well being of others.
5) Treat others better than myself.
6) Strive to only speak the truth and no falsehood
7) Be merciful and forgiving
8) Don't judge people unrighteously
9) Keep a pure mind
10) Avoid putting stumbling blocks in front of people, and try to remove them if I see one in their way

Practice this kind of practical love and you will see Jesus growing inside of you because that is who he is.
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So in essence, love others as Christ loved us. Yet, that does not explain how to do it for unless you are a liar (and I don't believe you are), none of those things can be done naturally. We have been given a supernatural way of life and it demands a supernatural way of living.
 
sawdust said:
So in essence, love others as Christ loved us. Yet, that does not explain how to do it for unless you are a liar (and I don't believe you are), none of those things can be done naturally. We have been given a supernatural way of life and it demands a supernatural way of living.
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You have been given the word and the spirit, ie, the power, to do those things. It's very near you in your heart and mouth that you may do them, IF you are willing to put yourself, ie, your old man, to death. If you deny that power of God, then you will just have a form of godliness and not be able to do those things.
 
God-fearing said:
He became sin

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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There is no singular word for sin offering in either Greek or Hebrew. It is always written as the word sin with a prefaced preposition (like for, concerning, etc), as it is in the verse you quoted. There it should be translated as sin offering. I can provide scriptural examples if you need further proof.
 
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