Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Proverbs 19 verse 21 Jeremiah 10 verse 23b ~ Many plans are in a man’s heart, but the purpose of the LORD will prevail. No one who walks directs his own steps.
 
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10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Nineveh was later destroyed. God's plan in this age has always been to save those who repent, and destroy those who do not.
 
Yes, the body was not yet formed. Upon conception, before one is formed, God knows us. The moment we come into existence...

Psalm 139
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Nope. The Omniscient God knows all things BEFORE time began, including his elect. After all, it was in ETERNITY that God decreed everyone's existence.
 
So...when it says in Jonah that God "repented of the evil that he said he would do" that should be understood as anthropomorphic language.

A way to remedy what scripture actually states. We just take scripture what it says. God meant what he said and said what he meant. Instead of coming up with another ...ism, just change your theology to fit scripture.
 
Nope. The Omniscient God knows all things BEFORE time began, including his elect. After all, it was in ETERNITY that God decreed everyone's existence.

Not according to scripture. You should run from the RCC doctrine of John Calvin.
 
Which friend? The one who started this conversation? Because this conversation is about logical fallacies. Or are you again assuming im friends with the actual people who have called people calvinist?
If you go back and look at my first comment, it was to Magenta referencing a comment by someone else. That's the "friend" I thought you were referring to. If you say, "asking for a friend", I can only assume who you meant.
 
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This would make a most interesting topic! I'm not sure anyone would have a better understand due to such a topic, but it would certainly be interesting to hear others thoughts.

Especially when we get to the "pesky" details of whether or not God proactively restrains evil in this world. Very obviously, this is a particular topic for which no FWer has a stomach. They don't want to come within a country mile of this subject.
 
The passages you cite have been refuted often because FWers interpret them out of context. 2Pet 3:9 is addressed to Jewish believers toward which God is patient. The text does not say that God is not wishing than anyone in the world should not perish -- but that "any" should not perish. And the "any" in its context is referring back to the nearest antecedent which is "you" in v. 9.

1Tim 2:4 is qualified by Paul in v. 7. The "all people" is limited to the GENTILES to whom Paul was commissioned to preach the gospel. Therefore, "all" cannot logically be understood in the distributive sense.
Except that isn't what it says it says plain as day he desires that all come to salvation any added meaning or interpreting past that is just adding to scripture and is not biblical

It says what it meant and meant what it says we can say it means something else but that is just us adding or subtracting from scripture in order to fit our own personal beliefs, if the scripture says he desires all to be saved that is what it meant
 
Depends if you separate the trinity

Which indeed you are.

He for-knows everyone. And it doesn't mean because he says I never knew you he doesn't for-know everyone, nobody is without excuse. And his light is made known to all.

I never knew you means most likely means my father never handed you over to me as well as this .


But also he said this to the people who he was knowing at the time ?

In other words he was saying I came to know you but this happened

John 1 the true meaning of I did not know you
He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.


Bye

Look up the Gr. term for "knew" in Mat 7:23. It's often used in the sense of God having a PERSONAL, FILI|AL, INTIMATE knowledge of the objects being known. (See Mat 1:25 in the KJV.) God only has such knowledge of those who belong to Him. Besides, God is not the God of the dead but only of the living!
 
That sounds like the mindset of the accusers of Jesus before they crucified Him.

Tell me?
Do you pay dues to be in that club?
your the one who said God doesn't interfere with a persons life

It's you who need to pay your dues not me.

Your off your trolley.

And you keep twisting his word

Try changing the word interfere for intervene,.

And then search the scriptures I'm not correcting your ego anymore
 
Look up the Gr. term for "knew" in Mat 7:23. It's often used in the sense of God having a PERSONAL, FILI|AL, INTIMATE knowledge of the objects being known. (See Mat 1:25 in the KJV.) God only has such knowledge of those who belong to Him. Besides, God is not the God of the dead but only of the living!
all souls belong to him
 
I would disagree on the terms of this 1 Timothy 2:4 is a key Bible verse often cited to show that God desires all people to be saved: "who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth". Other related verses include 2 Peter 3:9, which states that the Lord is "not wishing that any should perish but that all should reach repentance," and 1 Timothy 4:10, which calls God the "Savior of all people"
In earlier posts, you seemed to believe that everything is controlled by the will of God.
In this post you are saying that He wills that everyone will turn to Him. Since many do not, you have reached a conflict that must be resolved by further study or explanation.
This is not meant as a criticism, I often do it myself!
 
Except that isn't what it says it says plain as day he desires that all come to salvation any added meaning or interpreting past that is just adding to scripture and is not biblical

It says what it meant and meant what it says we can say it means something else but that is just us adding or subtracting from scripture in order to fit our own personal beliefs, if the scripture says he desires all to be saved that is what it meant

Yes, it is what is says when understood in its CONTEXT! It appears you're not a big fan of understanding things in their context. Where in 2Pet 3:9, for example, does it say that God is not willing than anyone on this little green planet should perish? It doesn't! You must read that into the text.
 
all souls belong to him

Yes, all souls belong to him, but not all all souls have that intimate, personal, covenant relationship with Him which is His sovereign choice. Remember: Jesus told the Pharisees that they did not belong to God (Jn 8:47). God is only the God of the LIVING -- his chosen, covenant people.
 
A way to remedy what scripture actually states. We just take scripture what it says. God meant what he said and said what he meant. Instead of coming up with another ...ism, just change your theology to fit scripture.

In order for any given passage to be understood correctly, that interpretation must align with, harmonize with and be consistent with the totality of God's divine revelation. You're understanding contradicts too many other passages. BIBLICAL THEOLOGY must comport with itself in its entirety, for God cannot lie.
 
Yes, all souls belong to him, but not all all souls have that intimate, personal, covenant relationship with Him which is His sovereign choice. Remember: Jesus told the Pharisees that they did not belong to God (Jn 8:47). God is only the God of the LIVING -- his chosen, covenant people.
all deeds are seen in the light.

Nobody is born with a reprobate mind.

All children have a relationship with the father And all are given a chance.

His word clearly teaches he will spend at least 40 years with people before leaving them to disobedience.

your making a bad name out of the true calvies.

I'm not impressed with you.
 
Everyone wants to be right with Scripture. Yet sometimes I see a pattern where a person quotes a verse, and then their very next words contradict the very truth that verse proclaims. In other cases, instead of receiving an offered olive branch of peace, that kindness is slapped aside with impressive displays of Scripture knowledge. While we absolutely need to know the Word and preach it, we must also remain sensitive to others and use sound, Spirit-led judgment in light of the truth.

While I am not perfect myself, I do strive to honor God’s grace and goodness while I am here on this Earth.

I am going to step back from responding to this thread at this time.

May the God of peace and sound judgment shine upon all here, even I may not agree with certain posts made here.

With loving kindness to you all in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ Bible Highlighter.