Israel and the present conflict

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Gideon300 said:
You have zero understanding of God's word regarding Israel and you reject anything that contradicts your misunderstanding. Never mind, egg is apparently good for your skin. You'll be scraping plenty off your face when you can no longer ignore the truth.
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No, you are the one with zero understanding. You have a brain full of knowledge, but no understanding on this matter. Understanding is a light that shines in the midst illuminating the whole and enabling the mind to put the pieces together. Without it you only have the capacity to see things on the surface at the physical level, which is all you know how to do..
 
Gideon300 said:
You have zero understanding of God's word regarding Israel and you reject anything that contradicts your misunderstanding. Never mind, egg is apparently good for your skin. You'll be scraping plenty off your face when you can no longer ignore the truth.
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Translation: You need to adhere to the Scofield Bible like I do, which puts divisions in place which never existed prior to 1900's and then was promoted around the world to indoctrinate people.

Covenant theology, One people with God's overarching grace was, is and will forever more be the truth.

Dispensationalism a modern invention denies the finished work of Christ Jesus and the fulfillment of all the promises in Him.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
It says God kept Israel as the apple of his eye in the wilderness after their exodus from Egypt. It doesn't say that Israel1948 is the apple of his eye now.

He [God] found him [Jacob] in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye. Deuteronomy 32:10​
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Exactly, so ridiculous to pull a statement from the OT and think it applies to a modern secular state.
 
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Gideon300 said:
You have zero understanding of God's word regarding Israel and you reject anything that contradicts your misunderstanding. Never mind, egg is apparently good for your skin. You'll be scraping plenty off your face when you can no longer ignore the truth.
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Well at least I have the essential understanding to know the letter was written to the Christians living in Rome of that time period, not 2000+ years into the future.

Wrong hermeneutics right out of the gate.
 
Since Romans 11 is the goto talking point for some, let's examine it in detail

Verses 1-6 Summary
GOD forever cast away the natural kingdom of Israel ruled by men, but he has never, nor will he ever, cast away any of Israel whom he foreknew. Therefore, those not cast away are a remnant of Israel determined solely by God's choice, and not by ethnicity, race, physical circumcision, or any other earthly thing.

I'm saying then, hasn't GOD thrust away [all] his people? May it not be. For I also am an Israelite out of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. GOD does not thrust away his people whom he foreknew. Or haven't you seen what the scripture is saying in Elijah as he is pleading to GOD against Israel, "Master, they kill your prophets, they dig down thine altars, I was reserved alone, and they are seeking my soul." But what is the divine response saying to him? "I left to myself seven thousand men, who do not bow the knee to Baal." Thus then, also in the present time a remnant according to a selection of grace has become. And if grace, no longer out of works, else grace is no longer being grace. Romans 11:1-6​
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Romans 11:7-10 Summary

The chosen remnant of Israel inherited GOD's promises, but all other Israelites were hardened and rejected.

What then Israel is seeking, this he hasn't found. But the chosen found it, and the rest were hardened according as it has been written, "GOD gives to them a spirit of bewilderment, eyes that don't see, and ears that don't hear" until today. And David says, "Let their table become a trap, a net, and into a scandal and retaliation to them. Let their eyes be darkened that they don't see, and bow their back through everything." Romans 11:7-10​
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Romans 11:11-14 Summary

Natural Israel's fall enriched the world, which makes spiritual Israel's fullness exceedingly great.

I am saying then, didn't they [all] trip that they would be falling? May it not be. But by their apostacy, salvation to the nations into stimulating them alongside. And if their falling away is riches of the world, and their diminishment, riches of the nations, how especially great their fullness? And I am saying to you, the nations, indeed then as much as I am an apostle of the nations, I am glorifying my dispensation if I may somehow stimulate alongside those of my flesh, and be saving some out of them. Romans 11:11-14​
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This was seen by Jacob who prophesied that the seed of Israel (Ephraim) would become a fullness of gentiles (nations) in fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham that he would become the father of many nations

And his father [Jacob] refused, and said, I know, my son, I know. He [Manasseh] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great, but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a fullness of gentiles. Genesis 48:19​
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Which we see fulfilled here

After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; Revelation 7:9​
 
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Romans 11:15 Summary
If natural Israel's rejection was the world's gain, then their repentance is eternal life out of the deadness of their sin.

For if their casting away is reconciliation of the world, what their receiving back if not life out of the dead? Romans11:15​
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Romans 11:16-18 Summary
Christ the root sanctifies the branches. Non-Israelites cannot boast against rejected Israelites because engrafting is the choice and gift of God.

And if the firstfruit holy, also the kneading. And if the root holy, also the branches. And if some of the branches are broken off, and you being a wild olive are engrafted in them, and you became co-partarkers with them of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not be boasting against the [rejected] branches. But if you are boasting, you are not bearing the root, but the root you. Romans 11:16-18​
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Romans 11:19-24 Summary
GOD engrafted into spiritual Israel non-Israelites after the flesh, as well as natural Israelites who tripped, yet repented. Standing in Israel is based solely on faith, not according to nature. Therefore it is spiritual Israel, ie, ruled by God, not men

You will declare then, "Branches are broken off that I may be grafted in." Fine. They are broken off by unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be high-minded, but be afraid, for if GOD doesn't spare branches according to nature, neither you. Behold then the kindness and harshness of GOD. Indeed, harshness upon the ones falling, but kindness upon you if you continue in the kindness, else you will also be cut off. And also those will be grafted in if they don't continue in unbelief, for GOD is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of a wild olive tree according to nature, and beside nature are grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the ones according to nature, be engrafted to their own olive tree? Romans 11:19-24​
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Romans 11:25 Summary
A remnant of natural Israel obedient to the faith will exist throughout the generations until Christ returns.

For I am not willing you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, that you not be mindful about yourselves, because a partial hardness has happened to Israel until the fullness of the nations enters. Romans 11:25​
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Romans 11:26-27 Summary
All of spiritual Israel will be saved by the new covenant removal of their sins.

And thus all Israel will be saved according as it has been written, "The deliverer will come out of Zion. He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob." And "this is my covenant with them, when I remove their sins." Romans 11:26-27​
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This, of course, was accomplished at the last supper when God made the new covenant with Israel and Judah

For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many into the removal of sins. Matthew 26:28​
 
Romans 11:28 Summary
Disbelieving Israelites are considered the enemies of God because of their disobedience to the gospel, but believing Israelites foreknown by God are loved in accordance with his covenant and promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Romans 11:28

Indeed according to the good news, enemies through you; but according to the selection, beloved on account of the fathers. Romans 11:28​
 
Romans 11:29-32 Summary
GOD has consigned all to unbelief that all may be humbled, and he may have mercy upon all.

For even as you once disbelieved GOD, but now have been shown mercy by the unbelief of these, thus also these now disbelieve by the mercy of yours that they also may now be shown mercy. For GOD locks up all together into unbelief that he may show mercy on all. 11:29-32​
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Romans 11:33-36 Summary
GOD's mind is unsearchable, unfathomable.

O depth of riches, wisdom, and knowledge of GOD. How unsearchable his judgments, and his ways untraceable. For who knew the mind of master, or who became his counselor? Or who gives first to him, and it will be repaid to him? Because out of him, and through him, and into him, the all. To whom the glory into the ages. Amen. 11:33-36​
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Romans 11:7-10 Summary

The chosen remnant of Israel inherited GOD's promises, but all other Israelites were hardened and rejected.

What then Israel is seeking, this he hasn't found. But the chosen found it, and the rest were hardened according as it has been written, "GOD gives to them a spirit of bewilderment, eyes that don't see, and ears that don't hear" until today. And David says, "Let their table become a trap, a net, and into a scandal and retaliation to them. Let their eyes be darkened that they don't see, and bow their back through everything." Romans 11:7-10​
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You're twisting what it says. Further down it says God can and will graft them in again.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Romans 11:19-24 Summary
GOD engrafted into spiritual Israel non-Israelites after the flesh, as well as natural Israelites who tripped, yet repented. Standing in Israel is based solely on faith, not according to nature. Therefore it is spiritual Israel, ie, ruled by God, not men

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Romans 11:19-24 Summary
GOD engrafted into spiritual Israel non-Israelites after the flesh, as well as natural Israelites who tripped, yet repented. Standing in Israel is based solely on faith, not according to nature. Therefore it is spiritual Israel, ie, ruled by God, not men
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No it is not. You're ignoring the unconditional, everlasting covenant God made with the Jews. A real land with real borders.
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Romans 11:25 Summary
A remnant of natural Israel obedient to the faith will exist throughout the generations until Christ returns.

For I am not willing you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, that you not be mindful about yourselves, because a partial hardness has happened to Israel until the fullness of the nations enters. Romans 11:25​
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Then why does it say they are blinded until.?
 
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