Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

The lords will in an angel

Revelation 19:10
New International Version
10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. (An angel) But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

In revelation the angels are seen as fellow bonded servants.

Which means Gods will has been bonded in them

 

[Jordon]

Where else can you see a reflection of God's will in people


Matthew 22:37-39

New International Version



37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]


This passage means a natural outflow of having Gods bonding will aligned with God.

It's the genuine outcome of having Gods bonded will, and is in deep harmony

 

[4urenlightment]

John 10 verses 14-16 ~ I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Yea, but Jesus main mission was to corral up the lost sheep of the promise of Abraham, which that was the reason why God to intervene.
When God makes a promise, He keeps it forever. Even after everything has vanished, His promises are still kept. But God will never force us to keep our promises because we are weak and unable to. That's why when He made the blood covenant with Abraham, He didn't allowed Abraham to walk through the blood, but He had someone else to walk through it that will take on all the sin of those who unable to keep their side of the bargain.

Matthew 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

In this verse Jesus is letting us to know the laws the people were supposed to complete aren't infinite. But it must be accomplished by Him. That's why He fulfilled every single law that the people weren't able to finish. But God's side of the bargain remains forever.

Matthew 5:18
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Matthew 5:34
But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;

The making of this everlasting covenant between God and Abraham, they cut open the sacrificed animals and let the blood spill on the ground. Then both party walks in the blood in a figure eight to make their oath that they shall keep their end of the bargain and if not, whatever happen to the sacrifice will happen to them.
But only two entities walked through it while Abraham stand from afar watching.
But another blood covenant is both party will cut both palms of the hands and hold them together in a figure eight but that one will not let the wound of the pam of the hand to be healed until the deal ended. But when Jesus risen, His palms didn't heal

https://youtube.com/shorts/nvOOJVNyJAY?si=aDOLy1w6x3B98mg-

 

[Jordon]

Yea, but Jesus main mission was to corral up the lost sheep of the promise of Abraham, which that was the reason why God to intervene.
When God makes a promise, He keeps it forever. Even after everything has vanished, His promises are still kept. But God will never force us to keep our promises because we are weak and unable to. That's why when He made the blood covenant with Abraham, He didn't allowed Abraham to walk through the blood, but He had someone else to walk through it that will take on all the sin of those who unable to keep their side of the bargain.

Matthew 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

In this verse Jesus is letting us to know the laws the people were supposed to complete aren't infinite. But it must be accomplished by Him. That's why He fulfilled every single law that the people weren't able to finish. But God's side of the bargain remains forever.

Matthew 5:18
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

John 19:30
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Matthew 5:34
But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;

The making of this everlasting covenant between God and Abraham, they cut open the sacrificed animals and let the blood spill on the ground. Then both party walks in the blood in a figure eight to make their oath that they shall keep their end of the bargain and if not, whatever happen to the sacrifice will happen to them.
But only two entities walked through it while Abraham stand from afar watching.
But another blood covenant is both party will cut both palms of the hands and hold them together in a figure eight but that one will not let the wound of the pam of the hand to be healed until the deal ended. But when Jesus risen, His palms didn't heal

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https://youtube.com/shorts/nvOOJVNyJAY?si=tHHxb-j6d9UCMWl7

you may want to add God made a covenant with abram to keep the way of the lord in him, to have the lords faith in him

Which was his will, which wasn't forceful. Romans 9:18

And that will was Willed before him, and to to anyone who would believe, by his grace in them Romans 9:18

 

[4urenlightment]

you may want to add God made a covenant with abram to keep the way of the lord in him, to have the lords faith in him

Which was his will, which wasn't forceful. Romans 9:18

And that will was Willed before him, and to to anyone who would believe, by his grace in them Romans 9:18

In order to live under God's grace, you'll have to be merciful as well. Like if someone slaps you on the face, you'll have to allow them to slap the other side. And if they take your cloak, you'll have to offer him something else to take.

The burden of the new covenant is light and easy but our pride gets i our way making it hard to do

Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

 

[Jordon]

In order to live under God's grace, you'll have to be merciful as well. Like if someone slaps you on the face, you'll have to allow them to slap the other side. And if they take your cloak, you'll have to offer him something else to take.

The burden of the new covenant is light and easy but our pride gets i our way making it hard to do

Matthew 5:7
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

That making your own rule to his grace

It's the fathers mercy in you the lord desires. It written that the fathers mercy shows in the heart of the unsaved before the presence of his son.

It's also written it's seen in his light

 

[Jordon]

Well whether his mercy has been willed in you not it can only be seen in these two active wills

Romans 9:18

And whilst it may be your to enlighten, to enlighten us all @4yurenligtment the truth is what ever you share whether it is by your will or by his will his will is bigger

I have an inherent will Romans 9:18 that still applies above all your own will

 

[Jordon]

Well whether his mercy has been willed in you not it can only be seen in these two active wills

Romans 9:18

And whilst it may be your to enlighten, to enlighten us all @4yurenligtment the truth is what ever you share whether it is by your will or by his will his will is bigger

I have an inherent will Romans 9:18 that still applies above all your own will

the moral of this inherent will Romans 9:18 means there nothing you can do about it to change it.

An internal Eternal will means it's eternal and the eternal will in the lord's eyes means forever which means his inherent will in everybody holds value to him.

 

[4urenlightment]

That making your own rule to his grace

It's the fathers mercy in you the lord desires. It written that the fathers mercy shows in the heart of the unsaved before the presence of his son.

It's also written it's seen in his light

They're not my own policies.

Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Matthew 23:23
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

That making your own rule to his grace

It's the fathers mercy in you the lord desires. It written that the fathers mercy shows in the heart of the unsaved before the presence of his son.

It's also written it's seen in his light

Those aren't my policies.
Believe me, if anyone slaps me on my face, the only mercy they'll get from me that it'll be written on the bullets that I'll personally put into them.
But it isn't easy to be saved. That you have to be merciful to those who sinned against you

Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Matthew 23:23
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Matthew 6:12
And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

Luke 18:26
Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”

 

[Jordon]

They're not my own policies.

Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Matthew 23:23
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Those aren't my policies.
Believe me, if anyone slaps me on my face, the only mercy they'll get from me that it'll be written on the bullets that I'll personally put into them.
But it isn't easy to be saved. That you have to be merciful to those who sinned against you

Hosea 6:6
For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.

Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Matthew 23:23
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

Matthew 6:12
And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

Luke 18:26
Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”

There not policies there his will

Again you you lower his will with your definitions, you've done it three times allready

 

[Jordon]

Will means it will be done by him

Policies mean you can choose whether to abide by it by signing your signature in a piece of paper.

Well the will where talking about is this @4urenlightment

Romans 9:18

 

[Dino246]

I asked which faith was in abram chosen

His own faith or the lords faith.

Seems you unwilling to learn

In what world does my post suggest that I am unwilling to learn?

 

[Jordon]

In what world does my post suggest that I am unwilling to learn?

a person who is willing would be willing to answer.

Your not

Go figure.

 

[Jordon]

His called people often refused to listen despite numerous warnings from prophets who spoke his willing life saving words into there hearts they refused His ways.

Such was the ways of there own will God left 600.000 in wilderness.

Which Was an example of there unwillingness to trust in God and learn.

The general theme to his called was there unwillingness to listen to God's guidance.

And that's a powerful concept in the bible despite unwillingness to listen God grace was often extended to them.

And it ended up showing inside 600.000 other men who entered the promised land

 

[Cameron143]

And then not tell them that it does them absolutely no good? And then not tell them how your Calvinist pre-birth sovereign lottery scheme is unbiblical doomer nihilistic fatalistic pseudo-philosophy?

I'm calling that evangelistic fraud.

Fraud is acting like a doctrinal discussion is an evangelistic effort.

 

[Cameron143]

How hard is it to tell someone about the Rapture?
About the Millennium?

The real ones.

Ask @HeIsHere please.

Also, still waiting on that breakdown of the books of Revelation and Deuteronomy.

 

[Kroogz]

Here the discussion revolves around what Scripture says of the natural man being a slave to sin and lover of darkness refusing to come into the light as a God-hater taken captive to do the will of the devil, opposed to the spiritual things of God, which he can neither receive nor comprehend, but yet we have many here contradicting and denying what Scripture says of the natural man.

You have the problem wired. What you fail to see is Gods solution to our problem.

What if God just shook the dust off of His feet and went back to His throne? Didn't come after Adam and the woman. Didn't send us signs and wonders. Didn't make a nation to send out His message. Didn't send us His word.....Just left us.

He comes after us, because He knows the dire situation we are in.

 

[Dino246]

a person who is willing would be willing to answer.

Non sequitur.

Your not

The word is “you’re”.

 

[John146]

the moral of this inherent will Romans 9:18 means there nothing you can do about it to change it.

An internal Eternal will means it's eternal and the eternal will in the lord's eyes means forever which means his inherent will in everybody holds value to him.

Romans 9:18 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

If one is going to receive God's mercy, he cannot will it or run it any other way than the means in which God has put in place. The cross is God's means to receiving mercy. There is no other way.

 

[Jordon]

Romans 9:18 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

If one is going to receive God's mercy, he cannot will it or run it any other way than the means in which God has put in place. The cross is God's means to receiving mercy. There is no other way.

everyone receives Gods mercy

Romans 9:18

Every saved person shows the fathers mercy in them at the sons cross.